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Reply #45 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:36pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:34pm:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:33pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:30pm:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:20pm:

And, by the way, this is causing enormous issues for the public health system in the UK where it has been shown Muslims use 4 times more health resources than others due to illness and genetic defects related to inbreeding.

So, should we deny use of a public health system to people who make poor choices?

Yes. If they wish to continue their unsavoury cultural habits I see no reason for them to do it at our expense.

That's not what a compassionate and humane society does, Rhino. You think that preventing these people from having healthcare is likely to exacerbate their current condition or ameliorate it??

Survival of the fittest, innit it?

The medical profession already refuses some types of health care to those who refuse to change their lifestyle, this is no different, the health budget is not unlimited.

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Reply #46 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:38pm

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:35pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:29pm:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:15pm:

whats so startling? Lower IQ people tend to be poorer wherever you go.

Rhino, I'm finding it difficult to argue this point on your level, but I'll do my best.

First, inbreeding is to due poverty and/or lack of education. I highly doubt that rich Arabs who are well educated are marrying their first cousins.

Second, attributing poverty to genetics without taking into consider institutional and social factors is frankly 'uneducated' and 'stupid'. Sure, social factors don't account for 100% of the reason, but it often accounts for a large percentage of the reason, and often the majority.

In the case of Israel, whilst institutional oppression may not exist, mass social discrimination does exist, and this is what accounts for the problems of the Arab people.

Finally, what role genetics plays in intelligence is not really known. I know so many people whose parents, grandparents and the like never went to university, couldn't speak a word of English, but yet the following generations were highly successful. What does this tell you? That social and institutional factors play a significant role in how successful people are.

And finally, Australia is full of people with a low IQ, and that doesn't stop them from earning mega bucks as a plumber or a tradie, whilst a smart and educated person who goes through uni is out of job. Modern Australian society has made it possible for dumb people to be rich, which is totally fine because it's progress and I accept that.

I will give you the same advice I just gave Ozzy, research first. Im not going to debate easily refuted factual information anyone can access, thats just laziness on your part. Let google be your friend, youve been led to water.

Rhino, I don't dispute the facts, I dispute your conclusions.

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Reply #47 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:39pm

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:36pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:34pm:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:33pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:30pm:

rhino wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:20pm:

And, by the way, this is causing enormous issues for the public health system in the UK where it has been shown Muslims use 4 times more health resources than others due to illness and genetic defects related to inbreeding.

So, should we deny use of a public health system to people who make poor choices?

Yes. If they wish to continue their unsavoury cultural habits I see no reason for them to do it at our expense.

That's not what a compassionate and humane society does, Rhino. You think that preventing these people from having healthcare is likely to exacerbate their current condition or ameliorate it??

Survival of the fittest, innit it?

The medical profession already refuses some types of health care to those who refuse to change their lifestyle, this is no different, the health budget is not unlimited.

Can you give me an example? Or is that too much to ask?

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Netanyahu a Liar Reply #48 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm Also, speaking of retardation, the fact that so many Americans voted for Trump and he won indicates mass retardation on the part of the American people.
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Reply #50 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:44pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:41pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:

Also, speaking of retardation, the fact that so many Americans voted for Trump and he won indicates mass retardation on the part of the American people.

Or they were sick of the current system.

If they were sick of the system, Hammer, there were other ways that they could've fixed it. Like, for example, implementing my changes that I have proposed in the thread 'America's Political System is Broke: Fix it!" You should check it out. I'm sure you could learn something.

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Reply #51 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:48pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:41pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:

Also, speaking of retardation, the fact that so many Americans voted for Trump and he won indicates mass retardation on the part of the American people.

Or they were sick of the current system.

If they were sick of the system, Hammer, there were other ways that they could've fixed it. Like, for example, implementing my changes that I have proposed in the thread 'America's Political System is Broke: Fix it!" You should check it out. I'm sure you could learn something.

Do you blame the American people for not wanting another Bush or Clinton?? I don't. Maybe you have it the wrong way around. Instead of being retarded they were actually smart. Nothing changes if you keep voting in the same type of leaders.

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Reply #52 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:53pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:48pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:41pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:

Also, speaking of retardation, the fact that so many Americans voted for Trump and he won indicates mass retardation on the part of the American people.

Or they were sick of the current system.

If they were sick of the system, Hammer, there were other ways that they could've fixed it. Like, for example, implementing my changes that I have proposed in the thread 'America's Political System is Broke: Fix it!" You should check it out. I'm sure you could learn something.

Do you blame the American people for not wanting another Bush or Clinton?? I don't. Maybe you have it the wrong way around. Instead of being retarded they were actually smart. Nothing changes if you keep voting in the same type of leaders.

Funny how people are so narrow-minded when it comes to these things. So many of America's political issues could be resolved by implementing sound reforms to their Constitution, but no talk of this happening has ever occurred.

Funny that you're not saying anything about the issue of pork-barrel spending projects, which have thrown the Government into debt; or that powerful lawmakers use riders to circumvent the integrity of the legislative process?? Do you even know what these terms mean? Pork-barrelling? Riders??

Let me ask you a real and proper question: what would you do to prevent/reduce pork-barrel spending projects, or prevent riders from being a political reality.

I suspect that you're not going to answer the question, because unlike me you avoid tough questions you can't answer.

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Reply #53 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:16pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:48pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:41pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:

Also, speaking of retardation, the fact that so many Americans voted for Trump and he won indicates mass retardation on the part of the American people.

Or they were sick of the current system.

If they were sick of the system, Hammer, there were other ways that they could've fixed it. Like, for example, implementing my changes that I have proposed in the thread 'America's Political System is Broke: Fix it!" You should check it out. I'm sure you could learn something.

Do you blame the American people for not wanting another Bush or Clinton?? I don't. Maybe you have it the wrong way around. Instead of being retarded they were actually smart. Nothing changes if you keep voting in the same type of leaders.

Funny how people are so narrow-minded when it comes to these things. So many of America's political issues could be resolved by implementing sound reforms to their Constitution, but no talk of this happening has ever occurred.

Funny that you're not saying anything about the issue of pork-barrel spending projects, which have thrown the Government into debt; or that powerful lawmakers use riders to circumvent the integrity of the legislative process?? Do you even know what these terms mean? Pork-barrelling? Riders??

Let me ask you a real and proper question: what would you do to prevent/reduce pork-barrel spending projects, or prevent riders from being a political reality.

I suspect that you're not going to answer the question, because unlike me you avoid tough questions you can't answer.

I can't answer that because I'm not from that part of society where it is relevant to me. That's the issue with the US and Australia is the same. Our countries are so divided socially that we don't understand one another. The further down the ladder you go things like tax , medical care , education are important but the inner workings of our economic system just aren't on peoples mines. It's more base survival. The reason why Trump got in was because of this divide and distance in his country.

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Reply #54 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:21pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:

Also, speaking of retardation, the fact that so many Americans voted for Trump and he won indicates mass retardation on the part of the American people.

Does that include the ones that previously voted for Obama?

An assumption that voters in a rust belt did not vote for Clinton because they are retarded is a retarded argument to mount.

It would be a rational decision to not vote a candidate that showed little interest, promised more of the same and called you a deplorable compared to someone who if nothing else, promised to shake up a system in which you were losing and going backwards anyway.

Your assumption that voters voted the way they did because they are retarded speaks more to your lack of critical thinking and empathy.

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Reply #55 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:21pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:16pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:48pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:41pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:

Also, speaking of retardation, the fact that so many Americans voted for Trump and he won indicates mass retardation on the part of the American people.

Or they were sick of the current system.

If they were sick of the system, Hammer, there were other ways that they could've fixed it. Like, for example, implementing my changes that I have proposed in the thread 'America's Political System is Broke: Fix it!" You should check it out. I'm sure you could learn something.

Do you blame the American people for not wanting another Bush or Clinton?? I don't. Maybe you have it the wrong way around. Instead of being retarded they were actually smart. Nothing changes if you keep voting in the same type of leaders.

Funny how people are so narrow-minded when it comes to these things. So many of America's political issues could be resolved by implementing sound reforms to their Constitution, but no talk of this happening has ever occurred.

Funny that you're not saying anything about the issue of pork-barrel spending projects, which have thrown the Government into debt; or that powerful lawmakers use riders to circumvent the integrity of the legislative process?? Do you even know what these terms mean? Pork-barrelling? Riders??

Let me ask you a real and proper question: what would you do to prevent/reduce pork-barrel spending projects, or prevent riders from being a political reality.

I suspect that you're not going to answer the question, because unlike me you avoid tough questions you can't answer.

I can't answer that because I'm not from that part of society where it is relevant to me. That's the issue with the US and Australia is the same. Our countries are so divided socially that we don't understand one another. The further down the ladder you go things like tax , medical care , education are important but the inner workings of our economic system just aren't on peoples mines. It's more base survival. The reason why Trump got in was because of this divide and distance in his country.

I'm glad you're being honest.

May I then suggest that you think about ACTUAL problems in the American political process, rather than following the old mantra of 'Trump got elected because were sick and tired'.

Also, Trump got elected because he was able to appeal to the emotions of the voter. You may not like this fact, but the truth is that voters are more motivated by emotion than they are by logic and reason. His inflammatory statements about migrants etc. resonated with people who feel the same way he does, and there's a lot of them in America.

As Winston Churchill said: "The biggest argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Trump is proof of that fact.

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Reply #56 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:26pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:16pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:48pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:41pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:

Also, speaking of retardation, the fact that so many Americans voted for Trump and he won indicates mass retardation on the part of the American people.

Or they were sick of the current system.

If they were sick of the system, Hammer, there were other ways that they could've fixed it. Like, for example, implementing my changes that I have proposed in the thread 'America's Political System is Broke: Fix it!" You should check it out. I'm sure you could learn something.

Do you blame the American people for not wanting another Bush or Clinton?? I don't. Maybe you have it the wrong way around. Instead of being retarded they were actually smart. Nothing changes if you keep voting in the same type of leaders.

Funny how people are so narrow-minded when it comes to these things. So many of America's political issues could be resolved by implementing sound reforms to their Constitution, but no talk of this happening has ever occurred.

Funny that you're not saying anything about the issue of pork-barrel spending projects, which have thrown the Government into debt; or that powerful lawmakers use riders to circumvent the integrity of the legislative process?? Do you even know what these terms mean? Pork-barrelling? Riders??

Let me ask you a real and proper question: what would you do to prevent/reduce pork-barrel spending projects, or prevent riders from being a political reality.

I suspect that you're not going to answer the question, because unlike me you avoid tough questions you can't answer.

I can't answer that because I'm not from that part of society where it is relevant to me. That's the issue with the US and Australia is the same. Our countries are so divided socially that we don't understand one another. The further down the ladder you go things like tax , medical care , education are important but the inner workings of our economic system just aren't on peoples mines. It's more base survival. The reason why Trump got in was because of this divide and distance in his country.

I'm glad you're being honest.

May I then suggest that you think about ACTUAL problems in the American political process, rather than following the old mantra of 'Trump got elected because were sick and tired'.

Also, Trump got elected because he was able to appeal to the emotions of the voter. You may not like this fact, but the truth is that voters are more motivated by emotion than they are by logic and reason. His inflammatory statements about migrants etc. resonated with people who feel the same way he does, and there's a lot of them in America.

As Winston Churchill said: "The biggest argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Trump is proof of that fact.

He spoke about what's on peoples minds. If the elite aren't going to address Americas concerns then more Trumps will get in. Most people are simple and the system is simple but we have complicated it. We all chuck in so our society functions for the most people. The US has complicated it so that a minority of people are going great but the majority are struggling. What do you expect is going to happen? Make the system fairer and listen to peoples concerns. That's all they have to do. Otherwise don't whinge when things don't go your way. It's not a impossible task. It's the way it should be.

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Reply #57 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:26pm

Secret Wars wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:21pm:

Does that include the ones that previously voted for Obama?

An assumption that voters in a rust belt did not vote for Clinton because they are retarded is a retarded argument to mount.

It would be a rational decision to not vote a candidate that showed little interest, promised more of the same and called you a deplorable compared to someone who if nothing else, promised to shake up a system in which you were losing and going backwards anyway.

Your assumption that voters voted the way they did because they are retarded speaks more to your lack of critical thinking and empathy.

Ok, let's break this down rationally, shall we? Can you do that?

First, let's look at the election messages they gave: Obama espoused a message of unity and harmony; Trump a message of divisiveness and disunity.

Second, let's look at the policies that Obama passed, his main one: Obamacare, which was the first step toward a universal healthcare system. Do you oppose universal healthcare??

Third, let's look at what Trump promised to do: he promised to shake up the establishment, drain the swap. Hasn't happened. He has appointed the richest Cabinet in American history. He has made no attempts to reform America's political system, or its Federal structure.

Fourth, let's look at how they communicate: Obama was a much better communicator than Trump.
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Reply #58 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:29pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:26pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:16pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:48pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:41pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:

Also, speaking of retardation, the fact that so many Americans voted for Trump and he won indicates mass retardation on the part of the American people.

Or they were sick of the current system.

If they were sick of the system, Hammer, there were other ways that they could've fixed it. Like, for example, implementing my changes that I have proposed in the thread 'America's Political System is Broke: Fix it!" You should check it out. I'm sure you could learn something.

Do you blame the American people for not wanting another Bush or Clinton?? I don't. Maybe you have it the wrong way around. Instead of being retarded they were actually smart. Nothing changes if you keep voting in the same type of leaders.

Funny how people are so narrow-minded when it comes to these things. So many of America's political issues could be resolved by implementing sound reforms to their Constitution, but no talk of this happening has ever occurred.

Funny that you're not saying anything about the issue of pork-barrel spending projects, which have thrown the Government into debt; or that powerful lawmakers use riders to circumvent the integrity of the legislative process?? Do you even know what these terms mean? Pork-barrelling? Riders??

Let me ask you a real and proper question: what would you do to prevent/reduce pork-barrel spending projects, or prevent riders from being a political reality.

I suspect that you're not going to answer the question, because unlike me you avoid tough questions you can't answer.

I can't answer that because I'm not from that part of society where it is relevant to me. That's the issue with the US and Australia is the same. Our countries are so divided socially that we don't understand one another. The further down the ladder you go things like tax , medical care , education are important but the inner workings of our economic system just aren't on peoples mines. It's more base survival. The reason why Trump got in was because of this divide and distance in his country.

I'm glad you're being honest.

May I then suggest that you think about ACTUAL problems in the American political process, rather than following the old mantra of 'Trump got elected because were sick and tired'.

Also, Trump got elected because he was able to appeal to the emotions of the voter. You may not like this fact, but the truth is that voters are more motivated by emotion than they are by logic and reason. His inflammatory statements about migrants etc. resonated with people who feel the same way he does, and there's a lot of them in America.

As Winston Churchill said: "The biggest argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Trump is proof of that fact.

I spoke about what's on peoples minds. If the elite aren't going to address Americas concerns then more Trumps will get in. Most people are simple and the system is simple but we have complicated it. We all chuck in so our society functions for the most people. The US has complicated it so that a minority of people are going great but the majority are struggling. What do you expect is going to happen? Make the system fairer and listen to peoples concerns. That's all they have to do. Otherwise don't whinge when things don't go your way.

Exactly. Another major issue is the influence of money in politics. The fact that America has not had a system of universal healthcare until Obamacare is testament to this. American should've had a universal healthcare system a long time ago.

Trump isn't the answer (although I could be wrong). Obama passed the biggest legislation made by any president since FDR.

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Reply #59 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:32pm

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:29pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:26pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:16pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:48pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:41pm:

Auggie wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:40pm:

Also, speaking of retardation, the fact that so many Americans voted for Trump and he won indicates mass retardation on the part of the American people.

Or they were sick of the current system.

If they were sick of the system, Hammer, there were other ways that they could've fixed it. Like, for example, implementing my changes that I have proposed in the thread 'America's Political System is Broke: Fix it!" You should check it out. I'm sure you could learn something.

Do you blame the American people for not wanting another Bush or Clinton?? I don't. Maybe you have it the wrong way around. Instead of being retarded they were actually smart. Nothing changes if you keep voting in the same type of leaders.

Funny how people are so narrow-minded when it comes to these things. So many of America's political issues could be resolved by implementing sound reforms to their Constitution, but no talk of this happening has ever occurred.

Funny that you're not saying anything about the issue of pork-barrel spending projects, which have thrown the Government into debt; or that powerful lawmakers use riders to circumvent the integrity of the legislative process?? Do you even know what these terms mean? Pork-barrelling? Riders??

Let me ask you a real and proper question: what would you do to prevent/reduce pork-barrel spending projects, or prevent riders from being a political reality.

I suspect that you're not going to answer the question, because unlike me you avoid tough questions you can't answer.

I can't answer that because I'm not from that part of society where it is relevant to me. That's the issue with the US and Australia is the same. Our countries are so divided socially that we don't understand one another. The further down the ladder you go things like tax , medical care , education are important but the inner workings of our economic system just aren't on peoples mines. It's more base survival. The reason why Trump got in was because of this divide and distance in his country.

I'm glad you're being honest.

May I then suggest that you think about ACTUAL problems in the American political process, rather than following the old mantra of 'Trump got elected because were sick and tired'.

Also, Trump got elected because he was able to appeal to the emotions of the voter. You may not like this fact, but the truth is that voters are more motivated by emotion than they are by logic and reason. His inflammatory statements about migrants etc. resonated with people who feel the same way he does, and there's a lot of them in America.

As Winston Churchill said: "The biggest argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Trump is proof of that fact.

I spoke about what's on peoples minds. If the elite aren't going to address Americas concerns then more Trumps will get in. Most people are simple and the system is simple but we have complicated it. We all chuck in so our society functions for the most people. The US has complicated it so that a minority of people are going great but the majority are struggling. What do you expect is going to happen? Make the system fairer and listen to peoples concerns. That's all they have to do. Otherwise don't whinge when things don't go your way.

Exactly. Another major issue is the influence of money in politics. The fact that America has not had a system of universal healthcare until Obamacare is testament to this. American should've had a universal healthcare system a long time ago.

Trump isn't the answer (although I could be wrong). Obama passed the biggest legislation made by any president since FDR.

People are funny about forking out tax for it's massive underclass . The US underclass is unhealthy and is a major money drain. That's part of the immigration argument that Trump unleashed. The problem with Obama is that he mostly aimed at the underclass and the elites and bypassed the middle class majority. It was his mistake.

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