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Environment of forums.
Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:19pm

Our environment is now overwhelmed by internet forums.

I am member & I contribute to so many of them.
Ozpolitic is only one forum.

I am a member of:
politics forums,
science forums especially electronics, nuclear physics & astronomy/cosmology.
I'm on Whirlpool to discuss internet speeds & service etc
chess forums
Youtube is now a forum for me too -
I've posted many videos there.
I'm on picture forums.

I use different IDs on all of them to remain anonymous.

How many posters here are the same as me -
posting on many different forums?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #1 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:34pm Aaaawwwwwwww Bobby is trying to make out he knows science and stuff. We all know he has no idea about science!
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Reply #2 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:40pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:34pm:

Aaaawwwwwwww Bobby is trying to make out he knows science and stuff. We all know he has no idea about science!

JM the perso who doesn't have a scientific bone in his body says says... Grin

Me I only frequent a couple.

JM uses SKS for his "science", as well as CNN, The Atlantic and the Garudian. Wink

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122081 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #3 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:41pm Monk - check out my Thorium thread here - I get a reply from a real scientist - Dr. Frank Shu. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1519823686/0#6 That's the type of person I like to converse with.
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Reply #4 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:43pm

lee wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:40pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:34pm:

Aaaawwwwwwww Bobby is trying to make out he knows science and stuff. We all know he has no idea about science!

JM the perso who doesn't have a scientific bone in his body says says... Grin

Me I only frequent a couple.

JM uses SKS for his "science", as well as CNN, The Atlantic and the Garudian. Wink

Monk would get laughed off any science forum.

It's all about asking the right questions to those who know.

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Reply #5 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:51pm

Booby, you know and I know you have no science qualifications.

You believe a transparent liar called Dubyne.

You see the temperature charts I post. You see the sea level rise I talk about, the decline in Arctic ice extent/volume and so on. IF you had any science training you know I am right.

What the hell is keeping you from seeing what is happening now?

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Reply #6 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:00pm

lee wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:40pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:34pm:

Aaaawwwwwwww Bobby is trying to make out he knows science and stuff. We all know he has no idea about science!

JM the perso who doesn't have a scientific bone in his body says says... Grin

Me I only frequent a couple.

JM uses SKS for his "science", as well as CNN, The Atlantic and the Garudian. Wink

This is Monk's science forum where he can only fool the gullible.

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Reply #7 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:04pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:51pm:

You see the temperature charts I post.

But you won't talk about the discrepancies. Why is that?

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:51pm:

You see the sea level rise I talk about,

You mean those that have to have some unknown Global Isostatic Adjustment that are the ONLY reason for the increase. Grin

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:51pm:

ou see the temperature charts I post. You see the sea level rise I talk about, the decline in Arctic ice extent/volume and so on. IF you had any science training you know I am right.

What the hell is keeping you from seeing what is happening now?

But "now" is just a moment in time. It has no more reality than statistically adjusted deaths. Wink

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Reply #8 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 8:41pm:

Monk - check out my Thorium thread here -

I get a reply from a real scientist - Dr. Frank Shu.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1519823686/0#6

That's the type of person I like to converse with.

1. He has no expertise in that area.

2. That he would 'converse' with you on a scientific level tells me a great deal about him.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #9 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:19pm Thorium is little better than uranium once the thorium is prepared for power generation. The tiresome thorium crap is just to pretend Booby has any other interest than the Dubyne garbage.
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Reply #10 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:26pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:13pm:

1. He has no expertise in that area.

"11/12/2017
1600 hrs
Faculty hall, IISc, Bengaluru
The Astrophysics of Thorium Molten-Salt Breeder Reactors*"

https://www.ias.ac.in/About_IASc/Academy_%E2%80%93_Springer_Nature_chair/Prof._F...

strange that the Indians let him talk then. Wink

Aussie wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:13pm:

2. That he would 'converse' with you on a scientific level tells me a great deal about him.

Yes. You do draw some strange conclusions. Grin

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #11 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:27pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Thorium is little better than uranium once the thorium is prepared for power generation. Oh No. Another topic on which JM is full bottle.
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122081 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #12 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:29pm lee wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:27pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Thorium is little better than uranium once the thorium is prepared for power generation. Oh No. Another topic on which JM is full bottle. If Monk would have read my Thorium thread he would have learnt a hell of a lot.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #13 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 6:12am Booby, we talked about thorium before. Once thorium is treated to make it radioactive it is little different from uranium. There is a bit less waste, a slight advantage but that is it.
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Reply #14 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 6:51am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27^th, 2018 at 6:12am:

Bobby, we talked about thorium before.

Once thorium is treated to make it radioactive it is little different from uranium. There is a bit less waste, a slight advantage but that is it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium_fuel_cycle

Thorium fuel cycle
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A sample of thorium

The thorium fuel cycle is a nuclear fuel cycle that uses an isotope of thorium, 232
Th, as the fertile material. In the reactor, 232
This transmuted into the fissile artificial uranium isotope 233U
which is the nuclear fuel. Unlike natural uranium, natural thorium contains only trace amounts of fissile material (such as 231
Th), which are insufficient to initiate a nuclear chain reaction. Additional fissile material or another neutron source is necessary to initiate the fuel cycle. In a thorium-fueled reactor, 232Th
absorbs neutrons to produce 233U
. This parallels the process in uranium breeder reactors whereby fertile 238U
absorbs neutrons to form fissile 239Pu
. Depending on the design of the reactor and fuel cycle, the generated 233U
either fissions in situ or is chemically separated from the used nuclear fuel and formed into new nuclear fuel.

The thorium fuel cycle has several potential advantages over a uranium fuel cycle, including thorium's greater abundance, superior physical and nuclear properties, reduced plutonium and actinide production,[1] and better resistance to nuclear weapons proliferation when used in a traditional light water reactor[1][2] though not in a molten salt reactor.[3][4]

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 24014 ACT Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #15 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 9:01am Very informative Bobby! Its a pity Monk didnt do a bit of research with a real scientist rather than that Chinese bloke Dr Wan Kerr!
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #16 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 9:17am HM thorium reactors are there Mr Red of Neck?
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122081 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #17 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 11:53am Redmond Neck wrote on Apr 27^th, 2018 at 9:01am: Very informative Bobby! Its a pity Monk didnt do a bit of research with a real scientist rather than that Chinese bloke Dr Wan Kerr! Monk could learn so much from me but he's closed minded.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #18 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 11:55am HM thorium reactors are there, Messrs Neck and Booby? Thorium has a tiny advantage—bit less waste, it is even spelled out in the article Booby posted. Learn, from you? What learn we are in an ice age?
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Reply #19 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 11:58am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27^th, 2018 at 11:55am:

HM thorium reactors are there, Mesrs Neck and Booby?

Thorium has a tiny advantage—bit less waste, it is even spelled out in the article Booby posted.

Learn, from you? What learn we are in an ice age?

You could have read my thread on Thorium reactors
& learnt that the whole world could have unlimited, cheap,
safe, fossil fuel free energy.
There is enough Thorium to last forever.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #20 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 1:38pm So there are NO thorium reactors around. I have not even said thorium was rubbish. I even said that they have a slight advantage over uranium powered reactors, bit less waste.
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Reply #21 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 4:40pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27^th, 2018 at 1:38pm:

So there are NO thorium reactors around.

I have not even said thorium was rubbish. I even said that they have a slight advantage over uranium powered reactors, bit less waste.

If we only learn one thing about Thorium look at this graph:

Most of the Uranium in the world is the

BLUE

circle.
Only 0.7% of it is useful - yes - that tiny

RED

sliver on the graph.
U235 is as rare as platinum.

However the

GREEN

circles represent the amount
of Thorium in the world
that can be made to fission and produce energy.
Thorium is abundant and cheap.
It's only very weakly radioactive.
You could have a brick of it on your coffee table at home and it wouldn't hurt you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium

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The most stable isotope, 232Th, has a half-life of 14.05 billion years, or about the age of the universe; it decays very slowly via alpha decay, starting a decay chain named the thorium series that ends at stable 208Pb. In the universe, thorium and uranium are the only two radioactive elements that still occur naturally in large quantities as primordial elements.[a] It is estimated to be over three times more abundant than uranium in the Earth's crust, and is chiefly refined from monazite sands as a by-product of extracting rare-earth metals.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #22 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 5:28pm To use it in a generator thorium has to be made radioactive. Not much different to uranium, bit less waste. Must be drawbacks to it or there would be a lot of thorium reactors around.
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Reply #23 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 9:59pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27^th, 2018 at 5:28pm:

To use it in a generator thorium has to be made radioactive.

Not much different to uranium, bit less waste. Must be drawbacks to it or there would be a lot of thorium reactors around.

The problem is that Thorium reactors poison their own reaction.
The molten salt has to be cleaned of pollutants or it will stop working.
That requires a lot of high tech industrial extraction of multi element radioactive compounds.
That is no small task & is the most likely reason that we've seen nothing
yet on a true industrial scale.

The advantage is that Thorium reactors poison their own reaction.
That way they are walk away safe not like Chernobyl or Fukushima
which will cause problems for the next 1 million years.

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Reply #24 - Apr 27^th, 2018 at 10:09pm

Most modern reactors are like that, Chernobyl and Fukushima were old tech and there were other problems.

I think fission is old hat, to be honest. Fusion will likely become mainstream, certainly in the next 2 decades. If it can be scaled down:

Every house makes its own electricity

Every car is electrical, a glass of water powers it for 20 years—e=mc² after all.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #25 - Apr 29^th, 2018 at 10:29am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27^th, 2018 at 11:55am: HM thorium reactors are there, Messrs Neck and Booby? Thorium has a tiny advantage—bit less waste, it is even spelled out in the article Booby posted. Learn, from you? What learn we are in an ice age? WRONG.... would you like another guess?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Environment of forums. Reply #26 - Apr 29^th, 2018 at 10:47am Not a guess, thorium was discussed here before. The fact remains—there are no thorium reactors in commercial use. I think Booby found an article about it and thinks it is fabulous. And so it is—a fable. Fusion is the power of the future, not dirty fission.
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