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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #60 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 10:52am Booby, just shut up. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #61 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 11:03am

Yeah, he really doesn’t.

Cloud chamber:

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A cloud chamber consists of a sealed environment containing a supersaturated vapor of water or alcohol. An energetic charged particle (for example, an alpha or beta particle) interacts with the gaseous mixture by knocking electrons off gas molecules via electrostatic forces during collisions, resulting in a trail of ionized gas particles. The resulting ions act as condensation centers around which a mist-like trail of small droplets form if the gas mixture is at the point of condensation.

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supersaturated vapor—does that happen in the atmosphere?

We also see the vapor must be “at the point of condensation” which is probably why the adiabatic cooling is done (by increasing the volume of the chamber containing the vapor.)

How often does this happen in the atmosphere?

It is not feasible that some cosmic rays change the climate here. We have more clouds because in a warmer world we have more evaporation. And the world IS warming. Next big El Nino will be a real doozy—I would like to think another big El Nino might actually have action happening but fear that some hugely destructive flood on the east coast of the US needs to happen before action is taken.

With the Gulf Stream slowing down that flood will happen Sad

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #62 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 11:57am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 11:03am: supersaturated vapor—does that happen in the atmosphere? Does condensation happen adiabatically in the atmosphere? Still relying on the models slowing the Gulf Stream I see.
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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #63 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 2:13pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:33pm:

No, the glaciers have been retreating for a long time.

Arctic ice—the opposite of an ice age is what we see:
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii636/maxine124/TrendArcticIce19812018_zpstt...

Global temperatures—no ice age in sight:
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii636/maxine124/GISS-temp-graph_zpsz6mm0k2d....

See, this stuff about an ice age is 100% hogwash!

LOL
We've been over this before too...
Only some glaciers are retreating...

Glaciers grow and retreat all the time... FACT. Cheesy

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Reply #64 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 3:12pm

Grendel wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 2:13pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:33pm:

No, the glaciers have been retreating for a long time.

Arctic ice—the opposite of an ice age is what we see:
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii636/maxine124/TrendArcticIce19812018_zpstt...

Global temperatures—no ice age in sight:
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii636/maxine124/GISS-temp-graph_zpsz6mm0k2d....

See, this stuff about an ice age is 100% hogwash!

LOL
We've been over this before too...
Only some glaciers are retreating...

Glaciers grow and retreat all the time... FACT. Cheesy

Wrong Grendel. Over the past 100 years pretty much all glaciers have retreated. This is irrefutable evidence that the earth is warming.

Also can you please answer my question about which planet is the hottest in the solar system.
Google is your friend

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #65 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 3:39pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Wrong Grendel. Over the past 100 years pretty much all glaciers have retreated.

So Some are retreating and some are not. Wow. That was really difficult wasn't it?

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

This is irrefutable evidence that the earth is warming.

So Foehns etc have no impact? If it is warming how much has it warmed? How much is attributable to CO2? How much is it due to UHI?

Warming precedes CO2.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #66 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 4:42pm

lee wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 3:39pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Wrong Grendel. Over the past 100 years pretty much all glaciers have retreated.

So Some are retreating and some are not. Wow. That was really difficult wasn't it?

No lee, stop deliberately obfuscating. The VAST MAJORITY have receeded over the past hundred years. More than 50% = warming.

lee wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 3:39pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

This is irrefutable evidence that the earth is warming.

So Foehns etc have no impact? If it is warming how much has it warmed? How much is attributable to CO2? How much is it due to UHI?

Warming precedes CO2.

So you concede that it is warming Wink

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Reply #67 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 4:53pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 4:42pm:

No lee, stop deliberately obfuscating. The VAST MAJORITY have receeded over the past hundred years. More than 50% = warming.

Yes. Some are receding and some advancing. So if it is warming; how come some are advancing?

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 4:42pm:

So you concede that it is warming Wink

Nope. I merely said warming precedes CO2. That is warming comes before CO2 rise.

Sigh.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #68 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 4:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 1:15pm:

Lukewarm support at best for GCRs causing condensation. None at all for GCRs causing any change to the climate. Nuclei are just too bloody small!

Monk,
apologise for posting the above lie.
I've proven that cloud chambers were discovered in 1911.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:33pm:

No, the glaciers have been retreating for a long time.

Arctic ice—the opposite of an ice age is what we see:

See, this stuff about an ice age is 100% hogwash!

Monk - apologise or cease posting on this forum.

Monk - you didn't apologise for the blatant lie above.

That is not acceptable on this forum.

Cloud chambers have similar conditions to the upper atmosphere
& small nuclei can cause clouds.
That information has been known about for over 100 years
yet you deny it - proven science that can be proven again
with any simple experiment.

I'll let you off on this occasion but expect to be called out on
every lie you post from now on.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #69 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 4:55pm

Monk's scientific knowledge is over 100 years out of date:

Cloud chambers have been known about since 1911.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_chamber

He pursued the application of this discovery and perfected the first cloud chamber in 1911. In Wilson's original chamber the air inside the sealed device was saturated with water vapor, then a diaphragm was used to expand the air inside the chamber (adiabatic expansion), cooling the air and starting to condense water vapor. Hence the name expansion cloud chamber is used. When an ionizing particle passes through the chamber, water vapor condenses on the resulting ions and the trail of the particle is visible in the vapor cloud.

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Reply #70 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 6:18pm

Galactic Cosmic Rays do NOT cause condensation in the atmosphere. The nuclei they create are too small.

The increase in clouds is due to more evaporation from warmer waters into warmer air. Dubyne is just covering up for the extra clouds due to AGW. If you knew any science you would know that but then again if you knew any science you would not be sucking down the bullshit Dubyne puts in his lying videos.

You are also a crap Mod who has destroyed this board. Please resign so Environment can be salvaged.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #71 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 6:24pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 6:18pm:

Galactic Cosmic Rays do NOT cause condensation in the atmosphere. The nuclei they create are too small.

The increase in clouds is due to more evaporation from warmer waters into warmer air. Dubyne is just covering up for the extra clouds due to AGW. If you knew any science you would know that but then again if you knew any science you would not be sucking down the bullshit Dubyne puts in his lying videos.

You are also a crap Mod who has destroyed this board. Please resign so Environment can be salvaged.

Monk - you're a liar and I caught you out and

I'm not going anywhere -

I'm staying right here.

Your lies will be pointed out from now on with scientific evidence.

Galactic cosmic rays do cause clouds to form.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #72 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 6:33pm

No they don’t and there are any number of studies that say they don}t.

You show your scientific ignorance more every day.

I posted graphs:

1. Temperatures increasing

2. Arctic ice decreasing, so is Antarctic ice and so is Himalayan ice

The globe is warming and you make yourself look stupid by persisting with this ice age crap. That crap really belongs in Fringe! Mystic nonsense is what it is.

Oh, but NOAA fiddles the data you cry desperately. Fairy tales for children. We have seen Trump and Pruitt remove AGW data from government websites so THEY are fiddling the data.

The temperatures are increasing, the ice is melting and the sea levels are rising. Sensible people draw the obvious conclusions, children like you seek assurance it isn’t happening. Bah!

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Reply #73 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 6:36pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 2:13pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:33pm:

No, the glaciers have been retreating for a long time.

Arctic ice—the opposite of an ice age is what we see:
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii636/maxine124/TrendArcticIce19812018_zpstt...

Global temperatures—no ice age in sight:
http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii636/maxine124/GISS-temp-graph_zpsz6mm0k2d....

See, this stuff about an ice age is 100% hogwash!

LOL
We've been over this before too...
Only some glaciers are retreating...

Glaciers grow and retreat all the time... FACT. Cheesy

Wrong Grendel. Over the past 100 years pretty much all glaciers have retreated. This is irrefutable evidence that the earth is warming.

Also can you please answer my question about which planet is the hottest in the solar system.
Google is your friend

Wrong barnacle...

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #74 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 6:37pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 6:33pm:

No they don’t and there are any number of studies that say they don}t.

You show your scientific ignorance more every day.

I posted graphs:

1. Temperatures increasing

2. Arctic ice decreasing, so is Antarctic ice and so is Himalayan ice

The globe is warming and you make yourself look stupid by persisting with this ice age crap. That crap really belongs in Fringe! Mystic nonsense is what it is.

I posted the FACTS on Glaciers... YOu and Barny as usual ignore them... Cheesy

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