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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #45 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 1:09pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 12:55pm: Lukewarm support at best. Lukewarm support for a "fraud"?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #46 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 1:15pm Lukewarm support at best for GCRs causing condensation. None at all for GCRs causing any change to the climate. Nuclei are just too bloody small!
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Reply #47 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 2:26pm

Monk's scientific knowledge is over 100 years out of date:

Cloud chambers have been known about since 1911.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_chamber

He pursued the application of this discovery and perfected the first cloud chamber in 1911. In Wilson's original chamber the air inside the sealed device was saturated with water vapor, then a diaphragm was used to expand the air inside the chamber (adiabatic expansion), cooling the air and starting to condense water vapor. Hence the name expansion cloud chamber is used. When an ionizing particle passes through the chamber, water vapor condenses on the resulting ions and the trail of the particle is visible in the vapor cloud.

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Reply #48 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 2:28pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 1:15pm:

Lukewarm support at best for GCRs causing condensation. None at all for GCRs causing any change to the climate. Nuclei are just too bloody small!

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 12:55pm:

We show that the mass-flux of small ions can constitute an important addition to the growth caused by condensation of neutral molecules. Under atmospheric conditions the growth from ions can constitute several percent of the neutral growth. We performed experimental studies which quantify the effect of ions on the growth of aerosols between nucleation and sizes >20 nm and find good agreement with theory.

Oh, It was only YOU who thought it was lukewarm. Grin

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122093 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #49 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 2:52pm Hi Lee, poor Monk - he gets bashed from pillar to post when he tries his luck on this forum. All his claims turn into nonsense. No wonder he mostly posts at his mate Aussie's forum.
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Reply #50 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 3:25pm

No, not at all. I have known about cloud chambers for longer than you have been alive.

I post in Relationships now purely because you cannot be trusted with my posts.

The world is warming and ice sheets and glaciers are retreating and those facts have not been rebutted in the slightest. At least Lees tries, a bit desperately and pathetically, to defend his denialist stance, you are too pissweak to do the same with your ice age crap and Dubyne videos.

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Reply #51 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 4:33pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 3:25pm:

The world is warming and ice sheets and glaciers are retreating and those facts have not been rebutted in the slightest. At least Lees tries, a bit desperately and pathetically, to defend his denialist stance

Wrong. once again.
Glaciers and ice sheets advance AND retreat. All the time.
The world maybe warming. Given the state of the science, with VERY wide error bars, there is no certainty in how much the world has warmed; if indeed it has.

You still haven't explained how Global temperature was 62.45ºF in 1997 and was apparently warmer in 2016 when it was 58.69ºF. That is the state of climate science.

You just ignore those things that don't agree with your preconceived ideas. And hope they will go away.

Where have I denied the climate changes? You use silly emotive language, more to convince yourself, than anyone else.

Put down the port and have a good lie down.

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122093 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #52 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:24pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 1:15pm: Lukewarm support at best for GCRs causing condensation. None at all for GCRs causing any change to the climate. Nuclei are just too bloody small! Monk, apologise for posting the above lie. I've proven that cloud chambers were discovered in 1911.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #53 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:33pm No, the glaciers have been retreating for a long time. Arctic ice—the opposite of an ice age is what we see: Global temperatures—no ice age in sight: See, this stuff about an ice age is 100% hogwash!
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Reply #54 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:37pm

JM just loves to start the ice loss at 1979, an anomalous high. Grin

tell us about Kilimanjaro. - Oh that's right that's because of the natives taking all the timber. Wink

Look at those poor glaciers retreating - revealing tree stumps, old Roman mines, roads. Grin

Do you think Hannibal crossed the Alps at a time of high glacial activity or low?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #55 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:42pm Looks like the decline started seriously in 1970, accelerated when the sun started emitting a smidge less radiation in the 1980s.
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Reply #56 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 1:15pm:

Lukewarm support at best for GCRs causing condensation. None at all for GCRs causing any change to the climate. Nuclei are just too bloody small!

Monk,
apologise for posting the above lie.
I've proven that cloud chambers were discovered in 1911.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:33pm:

No, the glaciers have been retreating for a long time.

Arctic ice—the opposite of an ice age is what we see:

See, this stuff about an ice age is 100% hogwash!

Monk - apologise or cease posting on this forum.

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Reply #57 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 7:05pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Looks like the decline started seriously in 1970, accelerated when the sun started emitting a smidge less radiation in the 1980s.

Oh. The RE-analysis. Try looking at Figure 7.20a page 224 in the First Assessment Report (FAR).

1979 was an anomalous high.

A copy of the original.

BTW - From the paper attached to you magic graph

" In this DA study we follow up on this question using extended data records of the Arctic sea ice observations (1953 to 2012) that combine satellite observations and operational sea ice charts from multiple sources. We use climate simulations from
eight models of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5 (CMIP5) under different climate forcing combinations.

https://dspace.library.uvic.ca/bitstream/handle/1828/7669/Mueller_Bennit_MSc_201...

You sure do love those models. Grin

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Reply #58 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:44am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 9:03am:

Grendel wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 9:48am:

STOP POSTING FACTS LEE... YOU ARE UPSETTING BARNACLE.

I like this... from Barnacle...
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First, the facts: global temperatures are rising, and

research shows that while the Sun may soon slow that rise,

climate change remains a reality — and a threat. But you wouldn’t learn that by reading recent news coverage.

Wow, what an admission.... so it's the SUN not CO2 that controls temperature here. Who'd a thunk it eh? Roll Eyes

I do not recall anyone ever saying that Global warming would be immune to other natural temperature events ?

Lucky this one is a cooling event and not the opposite ?

missed the point again as usual no wonder you have never understood the arguments. Cheesy

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Reply #59 - Apr 26^th, 2018 at 9:45am

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

Grendel wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 9:48am:

STOP POSTING FACTS LEE... YOU ARE UPSETTING BARNACLE.

I like this... from Barnacle...
Quote:

First, the facts: global temperatures are rising, and

research shows that while the Sun may soon slow that rise,

climate change remains a reality — and a threat. But you wouldn’t learn that by reading recent news coverage.

Wow, what an admission.... so it's the SUN not CO2 that controls temperature here. Who'd a thunk it eh? Roll Eyes

Is that your conclusion?
Grin

I don't know where you got the idea that one thing controls temperature.

Here's a project for you.
Why don't you tell us what the hottest planet in the solar system is
You can google it if you like

heeeeeey barny.... don't blame me for what YOU write.

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