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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #30 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 8:20am Just posted that graph to Twitter to expose the ice ace fraudsters and liars!
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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #31 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 8:47am

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OCEAN CIRCULATION. Observing the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation yields a decade of inevitable surprises.

Srokosz MA1, Bryden HL2.

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The importance of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) heat transport for climate is well acknowledged. Climate models predict that the AMOC will slow down under global warming, with substantial impacts, but measurements of ocean circulation have been inadequate to evaluate these predictions. Observations over the past decade have changed that situation, providing a detailed picture of variations in the AMOC. These observations reveal a surprising degree of AMOC variability in terms of the intraannual range, the amplitude and phase of the seasonal cycle, the interannual changes in strength affecting the ocean heat content, and the decline of the AMOC over the decade, both of the latter two exceeding the variations seen in climate models.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26089521

Try, at least, to read SOME real science, Bobby!

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #32 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 8:51am

Try & watch a report from a real scientist Monk:

Grand Solar Minimum Primer: Svensmark-The Cloud Mystery (Klimamysteriet) #6/10

Published on Jul 14, 2017

In part #6/10 of the Grand Solar Minimum Primer we focus on Galactic Cosmic Rays and their influence on global climate.
Recent studies and discoveries at CERN have proven that galactic cosmic rays cause cloud nucleation. Therefore galactic cosmic ray intensity can be correlated to global climate change. This is due to the albedo effect and increasing cloud nucleation resulting in global cooling. I have provided many provocative links to help you get started on your journey to understand the truth about climate change and eliminate the dogma.

The Cloud Mystery is a documentary by Danish director Lars Oxfeldt Mortensen. It explores a controversial (until now) theory by Danish scientist Henrik Svensmark on how galactic cosmic rays and solar activity may affect cloud cover, and how this might influence global warming.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #33 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 9:03am

Grendel wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 9:48am:

STOP POSTING FACTS LEE... YOU ARE UPSETTING BARNACLE.

I like this... from Barnacle...
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First, the facts: global temperatures are rising, and

research shows that while the Sun may soon slow that rise,

climate change remains a reality — and a threat. But you wouldn’t learn that by reading recent news coverage.

Wow, what an admission.... so it's the SUN not CO2 that controls temperature here. Who'd a thunk it eh? Roll Eyes

I do not recall anyone ever saying that Global warming would be immune to other natural temperature events ?

Lucky this one is a cooling event and not the opposite ?

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Reply #34 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 9:07am

Henrik Svensmark is a fraud. He does not follow the scientific method but tortures data—just excludes data that does not fit his theory—until he finds a weak correlation and says “Theory proved!”

GCRs do cause some nucleation in the atmosphere but those nuclei are too small to have water vapor condense on them. Do some Googling—I am right. In a fantasy video earlier this year a commenter explained at length that GCRs do NOT cause clouds.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #35 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 10:54am

Grendel wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 9:48am:

STOP POSTING FACTS LEE... YOU ARE UPSETTING BARNACLE.

I like this... from Barnacle...
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First, the facts: global temperatures are rising, and

research shows that while the Sun may soon slow that rise,

climate change remains a reality — and a threat. But you wouldn’t learn that by reading recent news coverage.

Wow, what an admission.... so it's the SUN not CO2 that controls temperature here. Who'd a thunk it eh? Roll Eyes

Is that your conclusion?
Grin

I don't know where you got the idea that one thing controls temperature.

Here's a project for you.
Why don't you tell us what the hottest planet in the solar system is
You can google it if you like

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #36 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 11:16am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 9:07am:

Henrik Svensmark is a fraud. He does not follow the scientific method but tortures data—just excludes data that does not fit his theory—until he finds a weak correlation and says “Theory proved!”

GCRs do cause some nucleation in the atmosphere but those nuclei are too small to have water vapor condense on them. Do some Googling—I am right. In a fantasy video earlier this year a commenter explained at length that GCRs do NOT cause clouds.

Henrik Svensmark is a scientist - not an internet troll like Jovial Monk

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #37 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 11:33am No, he is a total fraud! GCRs do not cause condensation of water vapor.
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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #38 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 12:27pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:42am:

Ice extent is lower than in 2016 and 2017 and has been for most of this year.

NSIDC says different.

Currently showing the data for April 23 2018 13.552 Million sq kms

April 23 2017 was 13.554 Million sq kms

April 23 2016 was 13.550 Million sq kms.

So between 2017 and 2018 showing a drop of 0.015%. Oh so scary. But larger than 2016.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #39 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 12:37pm So, basically less or the same despite cooler conditions after the 2016 El Nino.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #40 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 12:39pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 11:33am: No, he is a total fraud! GCRs do not cause condensation of water vapor. "Increased ionization supports growth of aerosols into cloud condensation nuclei" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02082-2 peer-reviewed science.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #41 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 12:40pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 12:37pm: So, basically less or the same despite cooler conditions after the 2016 El Nino. Which completely blows your argument out of the water. Oh; you expected the oceans to react instantaneously?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #42 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 12:52pm Cooler conditions globally since El Nino year 216 yet decrease in Arctic ice destroys my argument? Really? Does blow the ice age nonsense out the water tho.
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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #43 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 12:55pm

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Increased ionization supports growth of aerosols into cloud condensation nuclei
H. Svensmark, M. B. Enghoff, N. J. Shaviv & J. Svensmark
Nature Communicationsvolume 8, Article number: 2199 (2017)
doi:10.1038/s41467-017-02082-2

19 December 2017

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Ions produced by cosmic rays have been thought to influence aerosols and clouds. In this study, the effect of ionization on the growth of aerosols into cloud condensation nuclei is investigated theoretically and experimentally. We show that the mass-flux of small ions can constitute an important addition to the growth caused by condensation of neutral molecules. Under atmospheric conditions the growth from ions can constitute several percent of the neutral growth. We performed experimental studies which quantify the effect of ions on the growth of aerosols between nucleation and sizes >20 nm and find good agreement with theory. Ion-induced condensation should be of importance not just in Earth’s present day atmosphere for the growth of aerosols into cloud condensation nuclei under pristine marine conditions, but also under elevated atmospheric ionization caused by increased supernova activity.

mass-flux — can constitute etc. Lukewarm support at best.

We get more clouds because warmer seas evaporate more moisture into warmer air.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #44 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 1:07pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 12:52pm: Cooler conditions globally since El Nino year 216 yet decrease in Arctic ice destroys my argument? Really? You are the one stating that it should be better by now. But of course your version of the Arctic includes Southern Greenland.
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