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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #15 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 5:22pm

Grendel wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 9:48am:

STOP POSTING FACTS LEE... YOU ARE UPSETTING BARNACLE.

I like this... from Barnacle...
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First, the facts: global temperatures are rising, and

research shows that while the Sun may soon slow that rise,

climate change remains a reality — and a threat. But you wouldn’t learn that by reading recent news coverage.

Wow, what an admission.... so it's the SUN not CO2 that controls temperature here. Who'd a thunk it eh? Roll Eyes

Yes - what an admission.

Monk should admit that David DuByne is right too.
Monk moved to Tassy where he'll get 7 month long winters.
He'll soon regret that.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #17 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 6:24pm Where is the ice age, Booby?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21535 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #18 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 6:31pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 6:24pm: Where is the ice age, Booby? Once again JM is forced to present the graph of ESTIMATES of Global Temperature, but without the uncertainties that are inherent in estimates.
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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #19 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 6:35pm

lee wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 6:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Where is the ice age, Bobby?

Once again JM is forced to present the graph of ESTIMATES of Global Temperature, but without the uncertainties that are inherent in estimates. Grin

And Monk ignores all the reports of falsification of data by NOAA.

The truth is that both Arctic and Antarctic have grown in size since last year in terms of amounts of ice.
I'm sick of posting & reposting the graphs.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #20 - Apr 24^th, 2018 at 6:50pm

OOPS. I was wrong.

"The blue uncertainty bars (95% confidence limit) account only for incomplete spatial sampling."

No other uncertainties will be entertained by the authors.

All the sceptics will be thoroughly entertained.

Looks like the uncertainties vary from about +/-1.5C in 1890 on very sparse data and down to +/-0.5c in about 2010. And even then with large data holes.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #21 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:42am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 6:35pm:

lee wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 6:31pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Where is the ice age, Bobby?

Once again JM is forced to present the graph of ESTIMATES of Global Temperature, but without the uncertainties that are inherent in estimates. Grin

And Monk ignores all the reports of falsification of data by NOAA.

The truth is that both Arctic and Antarctic have grown in size since last year in terms of amounts of ice.
I'm sick of posting & reposting the graphs.

So you are now basing your ridiculous case for an ice age on minor fluctuations in polar ice??? 2016 was a big El Nino, 2017 was ENSO–neutral to minor La Nina as was early 2018? Look at the graph of temperatures I posted, see how the temperatures end up 1.2°C HOTTER in 2017 than in 1880? Look at the chart and you will see it is full of small peaks and valleys, El Ninos causing the peaks and La Ninas and the bigger volcanic eruptions the valleys? Notice that La Nina years are now WARMER than El Nino years late last century?

We are now seeing the overturning currents slow because of melting ice at both poles!

The globe has warmed 1.2°C since 1880. There is no ice age.

This is the (corrected) graph of ice extent by Bremen University:

Ice extent is lower than in 2016 and 2017 and has been for most of this year.

Your ice age is a fantasy!

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #22 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:59am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 6:42am:

So you are now basing your ridiculous case for an ice age on minor fluctuations in polar ice??? 2016 was a big El Nino, 2017 was ENSO–neutral to minor La Nina as was early 2018? Look at the graph of temperatures I posted, see how the temperatures end up 1.2°C HOTTER in 2017 than in 1880? Look at the chart and you will see it is full of small peaks and valleys, El Ninos causing the peaks and La Ninas and the bigger volcanic eruptions the valleys? Notice that La Nina years are now WARMER than El Nino years late last century?

We are now seeing the overturning currents slow because of melting ice at both poles!

The globe has warmed 1.2°C since 1880. There is no ice age.

Monk,
you ignored almost all of the evidence in 332 pages of the Ice Age thread.
You admit to not watching any of the videos -
the many 100s of videos -
and many of them not by David DuByne but full documentaries
with opinions & facts from environment scientists.
You're biased and you can't admit as I do that there
is strong evidence for both sides of this complex debate.

You don't admit that there were warmer times on this planet
when the CO2 levels were lower than now.
Your ideas follow in step with Al Gore who has had every
one of his predictions proven false.

You continue to debate on the other forum where I won't post
as Aussie is trying to steal this environment forum away from me.

You're so obsessed by global warming that you've moved to Tasmania to get away from the heat.
Your punishment will be 7 month long winters down there
& I hope you send us all the record snow & ice reports &
post them here - in full.

Good luck.

Bobby

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #23 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 7:05am

There is no evidence of global cooling in the 332 pages of fantasy videos by Dubyne.

He talks of local cold weather only.

He never talks of hot weather events.

He never talks of global climate

He always talks of Arctic ice getting thicker when it is generally thinner and of lower extent than previous years. A specially constructed LNG ship sailed the Arctic in December 2017—WINTER.

He said the 2017 Australian wheat crop was a failure due to a cold winter. Australia in 2017 had a WARM winter and the wheat crop was 2% higher than the 10 year average.

There is nothing in those 332 pages that indicates we are moving into an ice age.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong Reply #24 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 7:07am When you have had a look at that chart of ice extent, with 2018 generally lower in ice extent than 2016 and 2017 come and talk sensibly.
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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #25 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 7:17am

I record cold event in one location would mean very little -
but record cold events all over the world including
the "bombogenesis" in the USA -

yes they even had to invent a new name for it -

means that the cold weather predicted came true.
Global warming would not mean extremely cold weather
all over the world that has broken all known records -
it would mean warmer than usual weather.

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Reply #26 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 7:22am

Bombogenesis is the term for a storm where the barometric pressure drops 20 or more points very quickly. It happened before the three northeasters hit the US north east coast earlier this year.

The three northeasters travelled pretty much the same track because of a stuck pattern in the Jet Stream. The Jet Stream, especially in the northern hemisphere but also in the southern, has been affected by Arctic Amplification of AGW—the Arctic is warming 2-3 times faster than lower latitudes.

The storms were fed by an Atlantic 9°C warmer than normal in the part where the Gulf Stream travels.

Temperatures are increasing, polar ice is decreasing. The overturning ocean circulation is slowing down due to melting ice at both poles. That is what is happening.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #27 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 7:30am

I do not follow Al Gore, I have never read a word of his, I have not watched his film and Inconvenient Truth. Somewhere here you will find some large posts dealing with a paper discussing the pattern of climate through geological time, how CO2 varied, temperatures and the brightness of the sun. Go find it and read it and get some reality into your brain.

The world is warming.

The poles are melting and glaciers are in retreat nearly everywhere.

A Grand Solar Minimum will give, at most, 0.3°C cooling compared to 1.2°C warming since 1880. AGW will continue and the bit of cooling will be overtaken in not many years and the globe go back to heating up. We can only reverse that by ceasing to emit CO2 and removing CO2 from our atmosphere.

These are the facts.

Arctic ice extent is lower now than it has been in recorded history.

The globe is warming because we have out 46% more CO2 in the atmosphere since 1850.

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Re: Why David DuByne is so very wrong
Reply #28 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 7:47am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2018 at 7:30am:

I do not follow Al Gore, I have never read a word of his, I have not watched his film and Inconvenient Truth. Somewhere here you will find some large posts dealing with a paper discussing the pattern of climate through geological time, how CO2 varied, temperatures and the brightness of the sun. Go find it and read it and get some reality into your brain.

The world is warming.

The poles are melting and glaciers are in retreat nearly everywhere.

A Grand Solar Minimum will give, at most, 0.3°C cooling compared to 1.2°C warming since 1880. AGW will continue and the bit of cooling will be overtaken in not many years and the globe go back to heating up. We can only reverse that by ceasing to emit CO2 and removing CO2 from our atmosphere.

These are the facts.

Arctic ice extent is lower now than it has been in recorded history.

The globe is warming because we have out 46% more CO2 in the atmosphere since 1850.

And you ignore the extreme record cold conditions from all over the planet.
I hope the cold will not be too much for you in Tasmania -
especially at your age -
you're walking right into where it will hit the hardest.
I wonder how high the snow you will get around & on top of your house?
Please post many pictures.
I can't wait.

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Reply #29 - Apr 25^th, 2018 at 8:04am

Local cold conditions in a warming world are just that.

The trend is clearly to a warmer and warmer world.

Most of what Dubyne says is record cold isn’t.

The Beast from the East dropped temperatures in England this winter, yes. However, at the same time and due to the same cause—warm air invading the Arctic via Siberia the Arctic warmed. Global temperature did not drop.

Global temperatures show the globe is warming. Global sea level data shows the seas are rising. Ice sheets and glaciers are retreating and thinning. These are the overall trends, there is no gainsaying that at all!

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