Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 7:16pm:




Monk - the way you babble on I doubt you  have even a  1st year Uni understanding of science.
Even kids at school know more than you.

The first thing you get wrong is that contrary evidence cannot be ignored.

I am 70—for a little while that.

One thing I will say about myself: I can stare unpleasant facts in the face. That allowed me to keep one business going in the face of difficulties that would have destroyed other people.

My concern is not so much for myself, I have said before that I will likely be safely and cosily dead before the real nasties show themselves. I am concerned for great nephews and great nieces and their kids who will have to face the consequences now becoming apparent. I would to have them given a bit of a break.

Cowards deny, bigger cowards seek refuge in fairy tales. Not for me.

Aaawwwwwwwww grandpa is trying to sound all up to date and stuff.

Thanks for the laugh Lees ahahahahahahahaha

Let us look at the evidence I have put up.

1. Temperature graph. Shows the globe is warming. Booby says the data is rigged—no actual evidence of the rigging given. Trump and Pruitt are the ones trying to hide the evidence, not NASA/NOAA/NSIDC/MetOffice/BuMet.

2. Graphs of Arctic ice. Definite decrease in Arctic ice extent and even bigger decrease in ice volume.

3. Nearly all glaciers are retreating bar a few benefitting from increased precipitation that AGW brings.

4. There is 46% more CO2 in the atmosphere than there was in 1850. Isotopic analysis of the oxygen atoms in the CO2 molecules show they came from burning fossil fuels. There is a carbon cycle but we add CO2 on top of that.

5. We have the spectroscopic evidence that H2O combined with CO2 block IR radiation from escaping to space. IR radiation is how a black body rids itself of heat imparted by radiation, in the case of the earth from sunlight.

6. Sea level is rising from the melting of glaciers and ice sheets and thermal expansion of the oceans


None of this stuff is hard to understand. The message is pretty grim and many do not want to understand it and are ready to listen to deniers and frauds many of whom are paid by fossil fuel interests who want to keep selling fossil fuels. Many just decide it is too hard and decide to ignore it. That is not the way to deal with unpleasant facts.

Strip away the padding and the record of cold events is much less.

And that is all there is, local cold events.

No evidence of anything except some places were cold for a while. Since heat events are rigorously excluded by Dubyne there is no integrity to what he puts up.

Temperatures—increasing, ice decreasing. Sea levels rising. Glaciers retreating. That is the reality.

Hail is not a symptom of cooling. It is formed high in the atmosphere in massive thunderstorms. Dubyne incidentally mentions increased precipitation—where does the extra moisture come from that precipitates as rain, hail or snow? AGW, warmer oceans evaporating more into warmer air that can now carry 8% more moisture than it could in the 1800s.

We don’t have record cold events all over the world.

The distribution of temperatures over the last 100 years has shifted to the warm side but that still leaves some in the cold region. Temperatures have increased by 1.2°C, not 12°C.

If you were to look for record heat events you would find many many more of them. But you won’t—there is that lack of education and the lack of integrity coming through. You cannot plausibly deny the global temperature has risen and you cannot plausibly deny that ice is retreating, permafrost is melting and so on.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2018 at 7:29pm:


This comes from a bloke who thinks we are in an ice age despite temperatures increasing and ice decreasing.

Get the beam out of your eye before trying to remove the speck you think is in mine. That biblical enough for you, pseudochristian?