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Coal Has No Place In Australia's Energy Future
Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am
 
Coal has no place in Australia’s energy future     Smiley   

Canberra Times
April 14 2018

The future is in plain sight. I saw it over the past two weekends at either end of the country: in a house in Middleton south of Hobart and on Low Island, north-east of Cairns.

A family of five lives in the Middleton house. At Easter, my wife and I made it seven. The house is off-grid and off main water. On Low Island, a caretaker and several volunteers inhabit three houses and research the reef, take weather observations and look after the lighthouse. Again it is off the grid and there is obviously no mains water. The lighthouse is also run off solar power.

Imagine not getting an electricity or water bill.

There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.

The Middleton house is fairly new, so it was a no-brainer to install solar-power generation compared to the immediate and future cost of connecting to the grid and using mains power.

The trend is clear. Appliances will get more efficient. Batteries, solar panels and domestic wind turbines will get cheaper and more powerful.

Meanwhile, the absurdly named Monash Forum of climate-science denying Federal MPs wants to perpetuate coal-fired electricity generation. Led by the Triple As – Abbott, Andrews and Abetz – and joined by Barnaby Joyce, it has engaged in one of the most profound about-faces in recent Australian political history, especially the Liberal Party members.

The Liberal Party was founded on the basis of free-enterprise, respect for private property, the market, states’ rights, small government and opposition to nationalisation.

In the party’s own words: “We believe . . . that, wherever possible, government should not compete with an efficient private sector; and . . . in preserving Australia's natural beauty and the environment for future generations.”

Now some or all of the Monash MPs have argued for the Government to prevent a private company, AGL, dealing with its property as it sees fit by closing the Liddell power station when it wants to, nationalising the asset if necessary. They want the federal government to override states and territories that do not agree to its weak-emissions-target National Energy Guarantee. And they want the government to build environmentally destructive coal-fired power stations.

In short, they are violating virtually every fundamental principle of the Liberal Party.

It shows just how utterly unprincipled they are. Never let good policy or consistency get in the way of a donor’s dollar or some leadership undermining.

With 30 Newspolls lost on the trot, Malcolm Turnbull would have nothing to lose in staring them down. Any energy policy they would agree to would not be worth having. Worse, it would be better than no policy at all. Indeed, small-government advocates often say government intervention often makes things worse.

But no. Turnbull has accepted his new barrister’s brief to include coal in Australia’s energy future when it has no place there.

It was a bit like the situation we found ourselves in at The Canberra Times newsroom in the early 1990s. Two Nikon (film) cameras had broken. We had a massive supply of Australian-made film. Should we repair or replace the film cameras or should we go for the then new, relatively untested and hideously expensive digital cameras?

Unencumbered by government pressure to support the Australian photographic film industry, the answer was obvious. Despite losing the present film stock, in future there would be no film or photographic-paper costs; no environmentally destructive chemical development liquids to dispose of; and a more efficient and timely delivery of images.

We were early adopters, just as there are early adopters of solar and wind energy now. Eventually, everyone would adopt digital photography and no-one would use film.

Eventually, most houses and business will generate their own electricity and what remains of the electricity grid will be 100 per cent renewable. The only question will be how to recycle the unused poles and wires.

That is what new technology does: it replaces the old technology thereby driving down costs and raising living standards – incidentally another core Liberal Party value the Monash Forum chooses to ignore.

With any luck the new technology will also force the replacement of the MP fossils who cling to the old.

Instead of propping up coal there are more constructive actions to consider.

Only a quarter of dwellings have solar panels, despite the proven economic benefit to households who have them over the long term. ABS and other data shows wealthier households are more likely to have panels.

Why can’t renters and low-income people get a share of the action rather than being stuck with 100 percent expensive grid electricity?

Why is the resource of three-quarters of household roof space not being tapped? It should be easier and cheaper to tap than new coalmines and coal-fired power stations, aside from the fact that dangerous coal should, like asbestos, be left in the ground.

The states should use their tenancy laws to insist that a basic quota of electricity be provided to tenants. That would encourage landlords to go solar.

Next, it is now clear that solar and wind generation are cheaper from start-up than coal. As existing coal plants get more unreliable it will be cheaper to replace them with renewables.
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Re: Coal Has No Place In Australia's Energy Future
Reply #1 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:46pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.



And a few others not mentioned. Electric washiing machines are a killer. Of course they don't need to recharge the EV's batteries. Wink

But they are useful in smaller communities. Those without industry.

whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Appliances will get more efficient.



Dream time has started.

whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Batteries, solar panels and domestic wind turbines will get cheaper and more powerful.



I have serious doubts about the batteries they are a mature technology.

Solar panels? Maybe, but at the end of the day they can only convert what energy is available. Of course increasing the conversion ratio above 30% would be a help. But it is still a semiconductor device and has inherent losses.

Domestic wind turbines? More efficient means bigger blades, means more elevation (which is good), but offset by the need for a larger wind flow.

Ah- Crispin Hull. Doesn't even have the basics in science.  Wink
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Reply #2 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:07pm
 
if I was to build another house now I would go totally off grid...

our politicians are mornons...

our businesses are thieves...

yes.... you have to do a little bit of "thinking" when you live off the grid...

do you ever recall your parents telling you to TURN OFF THE LIGHTS!!!

for a start...

you need a properly insulated house..

proper amount of Solar Panels... 10kw +

20,000 amp hours of Batteries..

run solar evacuated tubes to heat water along with the solar power.. easily done

run a heat pump of 1000 litres of water running through your slab for heating... easily done...

water? at least 2 x 20,000lts water tanks...

run a worm farm septic system which pumps water to your grounds to keep things green...

run LPG for cooking or the new type Induction stoves...

with the above..

you can run washing machines
you can run microwave ovens
TVs
etc etc etc..
LED lighting..
charge your laptops and iPads and phones while the sun shines..

once again.. like your dad always said..

"make hay while the sun shines"

grow your own vegetables...
run some chickens...

run your own Biogas for cooking...

all easily done...

you just have to want to...

you just have to get off your lazy Western World arses and get productive around the home..
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Reply #3 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:42pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Coal has no place in Australia’s energy future     Smiley   

Canberra Times
April 14 2018

The future is in plain sight. I saw it over the past two weekends at either end of the country: in a house in Middleton south of Hobart and on Low Island, north-east of Cairns.

A family of five lives in the Middleton house. At Easter, my wife and I made it seven. The house is off-grid and off main water. On Low Island, a caretaker and several volunteers inhabit three houses and research the reef, take weather observations and look after the lighthouse. Again it is off the grid and there is obviously no mains water. The lighthouse is also run off solar power.

Imagine not getting an electricity or water bill.

There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.




Obviously this has been written by a fkken cretin.

There is no correlation between a family of hippies living off grid and an entire industrialised first world nation living without reliable base-load power.

We would go from a mid tier first world nation to a third world sh1t hole within a few months.

Look if you and your family want to go alternate and off grid, great pay intelligent people to make that happen for you, but don't think you have even the smallest understanding of how our energy grid works and demand we 'go solar' to save the world.


The world is decades from even coming close to weaning itself off coal and just because one or 2 d1ckheads are screaming for change won't make it happen any sooner.

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Reply #4 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:55pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.



And a few others not mentioned. Electric washiing machines are a killer. Of course they don't need to recharge the EV's batteries. Wink

But they are useful in smaller communities. Those without industry.

whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Appliances will get more efficient.



Dream time has started.

whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Batteries, solar panels and domestic wind turbines will get cheaper and more powerful.



I have serious doubts about the batteries they are a mature technology.


Solar panels? Maybe, but at the end of the day they can only convert what energy is available. Of course increasing the conversion ratio above 30% would be a help. But it is still a semiconductor device and has inherent losses.

Domestic wind turbines? More efficient means bigger blades, means more elevation (which is good), but offset by the need for a larger wind flow.

Ah- Crispin Hull. Doesn't even have the basics in science.  Wink

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Reply #5 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:56pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Coal has no place in Australia’s energy future     Smiley   

Canberra Times
April 14 2018

The future is in plain sight. I saw it over the past two weekends at either end of the country: in a house in Middleton south of Hobart and on Low Island, north-east of Cairns.

A family of five lives in the Middleton house. At Easter, my wife and I made it seven. The house is off-grid and off main water. On Low Island, a caretaker and several volunteers inhabit three houses and research the reef, take weather observations and look after the lighthouse. Again it is off the grid and there is obviously no mains water. The lighthouse is also run off solar power.

Imagine not getting an electricity or water bill.

There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.




Obviously this has been written by a fkken cretin.

There is no correlation between a family of hippies living off grid and an entire industrialised first world nation living without reliable base-load power.

We would go from a mid tier first world nation to a third world sh1t hole within a few months.

Look if you and your family want to go alternate and off grid, great pay intelligent people to make that happen for you, but don't think you have even the smallest understanding of how our energy grid works and demand we 'go solar' to save the world.


The world is decades from even coming close to weaning itself off coal and just because one or 2 d1ckheads are screaming for change won't make it happen any sooner.


Big ol doesn't even know what baseload is!
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Reply #6 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 6:06pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Coal has no place in Australia’s energy future     Smiley   

Canberra Times
April 14 2018

The future is in plain sight. I saw it over the past two weekends at either end of the country: in a house in Middleton south of Hobart and on Low Island, north-east of Cairns.

A family of five lives in the Middleton house. At Easter, my wife and I made it seven. The house is off-grid and off main water. On Low Island, a caretaker and several volunteers inhabit three houses and research the reef, take weather observations and look after the lighthouse. Again it is off the grid and there is obviously no mains water. The lighthouse is also run off solar power.

Imagine not getting an electricity or water bill.

There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.




Obviously this has been written by a fkken cretin.

There is no correlation between a family of hippies living off grid and an entire industrialised first world nation living without reliable base-load power.

We would go from a mid tier first world nation to a third world sh1t hole within a few months.

Look if you and your family want to go alternate and off grid, great pay intelligent people to make that happen for you, but don't think you have even the smallest understanding of how our energy grid works and demand we 'go solar' to save the world.


The world is decades from even coming close to weaning itself off coal and just because one or 2 d1ckheads are screaming for change won't make it happen any sooner.


Big ol doesn't even know what baseload is!



How in the fkk would an unmedicated, inbred, chimp such as yourself know what I do or do not know?


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Reply #7 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:58pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 6:06pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Coal has no place in Australia’s energy future     Smiley   

Canberra Times
April 14 2018

The future is in plain sight. I saw it over the past two weekends at either end of the country: in a house in Middleton south of Hobart and on Low Island, north-east of Cairns.

A family of five lives in the Middleton house. At Easter, my wife and I made it seven. The house is off-grid and off main water. On Low Island, a caretaker and several volunteers inhabit three houses and research the reef, take weather observations and look after the lighthouse. Again it is off the grid and there is obviously no mains water. The lighthouse is also run off solar power.

Imagine not getting an electricity or water bill.

There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.




Obviously this has been written by a fkken cretin.

There is no correlation between a family of hippies living off grid and an entire industrialised first world nation living without reliable base-load power.

We would go from a mid tier first world nation to a third world sh1t hole within a few months.

Look if you and your family want to go alternate and off grid, great pay intelligent people to make that happen for you, but don't think you have even the smallest understanding of how our energy grid works and demand we 'go solar' to save the world.


The world is decades from even coming close to weaning itself off coal and just because one or 2 d1ckheads are screaming for change won't make it happen any sooner.


Big ol doesn't even know what baseload is!



How in the fkk would an unmedicated, inbred, chimp such as yourself know what I do or do not know?




BigOl64 is right...

there is no need to go 100% renewable...

we have the coal

we have the gas

we have the uranium

we should have the lowest energy prices of anyone in the world....

100%

but thats not the case

our politicians are and/or corrupt...

so **** them...

time to look at options whereby you don't need to rely on the "system" ...

tell them to shove it...
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Reply #8 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:16pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Coal has no place in Australia’s energy future     Smiley   

Canberra Times
April 14 2018

The future is in plain sight. I saw it over the past two weekends at either end of the country: in a house in Middleton south of Hobart and on Low Island, north-east of Cairns.

A family of five lives in the Middleton house. At Easter, my wife and I made it seven. The house is off-grid and off main water. On Low Island, a caretaker and several volunteers inhabit three houses and research the reef, take weather observations and look after the lighthouse. Again it is off the grid and there is obviously no mains water. The lighthouse is also run off solar power.

Imagine not getting an electricity or water bill.

There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.




Obviously this has been written by a fkken cretin.

There is no correlation between a family of hippies living off grid and an entire industrialised first world nation living without reliable base-load power.

We would go from a mid tier first world nation to a third world sh1t hole within a few months.

Look if you and your family want to go alternate and off grid, great pay intelligent people to make that happen for you, but don't think you have even the smallest understanding of how our energy grid works and demand we 'go solar' to save the world.


The world is decades from even coming close to weaning itself off coal and just because one or 2 d1ckheads are screaming for change won't make it happen any sooner.



Wow 64 did u steal lunches as a kid then say it was thair fualt becouse they where smaller than u.
I do see your full of fear, and lashing out is how u deal with it. Maybe look into this stuff first then make informed comments i mean im not sure about other ppl but if i get bullied i really dont listem to them even if they where right.
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Reply #9 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:20pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Coal has no place in Australia’s energy future     Smiley   

Canberra Times
April 14 2018

The future is in plain sight. I saw it over the past two weekends at either end of the country: in a house in Middleton south of Hobart and on Low Island, north-east of Cairns.

A family of five lives in the Middleton house. At Easter, my wife and I made it seven. The house is off-grid and off main water. On Low Island, a caretaker and several volunteers inhabit three houses and research the reef, take weather observations and look after the lighthouse. Again it is off the grid and there is obviously no mains water. The lighthouse is also run off solar power.

Imagine not getting an electricity or water bill.

There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.




Obviously this has been written by a fkken cretin.

There is no correlation between a family of hippies living off grid and an entire industrialised first world nation living without reliable base-load power.

We would go from a mid tier first world nation to a third world sh1t hole within a few months.

Look if you and your family want to go alternate and off grid, great pay intelligent people to make that happen for you, but don't think you have even the smallest understanding of how our energy grid works and demand we 'go solar' to save the world.


The world is decades from even coming close to weaning itself off coal and just because one or 2 d1ckheads are screaming for change won't make it happen any sooner.



Wow 64 did u steal lunches as a kid then say it was thair fualt becouse they where smaller than u.
I do see your full of fear, and lashing out is how u deal with it. Maybe look into this stuff first then make informed comments i mean im not sure about other ppl but if i get bullied i really dont listem to them even if they where right.



Are you upset because it pointed the reporter was a uninformed cretin with little to no understanding of Australia's energy needs?

My most sincerest apologies if what I stated about the reporter upset you and here is a tissue to clean yourself up.

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Reply #10 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:25pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:20pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Coal has no place in Australia’s energy future     Smiley   

Canberra Times
April 14 2018

The future is in plain sight. I saw it over the past two weekends at either end of the country: in a house in Middleton south of Hobart and on Low Island, north-east of Cairns.

A family of five lives in the Middleton house. At Easter, my wife and I made it seven. The house is off-grid and off main water. On Low Island, a caretaker and several volunteers inhabit three houses and research the reef, take weather observations and look after the lighthouse. Again it is off the grid and there is obviously no mains water. The lighthouse is also run off solar power.

Imagine not getting an electricity or water bill.

There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.




Obviously this has been written by a fkken cretin.

There is no correlation between a family of hippies living off grid and an entire industrialised first world nation living without reliable base-load power.

We would go from a mid tier first world nation to a third world sh1t hole within a few months.

Look if you and your family want to go alternate and off grid, great pay intelligent people to make that happen for you, but don't think you have even the smallest understanding of how our energy grid works and demand we 'go solar' to save the world.


The world is decades from even coming close to weaning itself off coal and just because one or 2 d1ckheads are screaming for change won't make it happen any sooner.



Wow 64 did u steal lunches as a kid then say it was thair fualt becouse they where smaller than u.
I do see your full of fear, and lashing out is how u deal with it. Maybe look into this stuff first then make informed comments i mean im not sure about other ppl but if i get bullied i really dont listem to them even if they where right.



Are you upset because it pointed the reporter was a uninformed cretin with little to no understanding of Australia's energy needs?

My most sincerest apologies if what I stated about the reporter upset you and here is a tissue to clean yourself up.


thank you 64 your most kind Kiss
I accept your apology.
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Reply #11 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:37pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:25pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:20pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Coal has no place in Australia’s energy future     Smiley   

Canberra Times
April 14 2018

The future is in plain sight. I saw it over the past two weekends at either end of the country: in a house in Middleton south of Hobart and on Low Island, north-east of Cairns.

A family of five lives in the Middleton house. At Easter, my wife and I made it seven. The house is off-grid and off main water. On Low Island, a caretaker and several volunteers inhabit three houses and research the reef, take weather observations and look after the lighthouse. Again it is off the grid and there is obviously no mains water. The lighthouse is also run off solar power.

Imagine not getting an electricity or water bill.

There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.




Obviously this has been written by a fkken cretin.

There is no correlation between a family of hippies living off grid and an entire industrialised first world nation living without reliable base-load power.

We would go from a mid tier first world nation to a third world sh1t hole within a few months.

Look if you and your family want to go alternate and off grid, great pay intelligent people to make that happen for you, but don't think you have even the smallest understanding of how our energy grid works and demand we 'go solar' to save the world.


The world is decades from even coming close to weaning itself off coal and just because one or 2 d1ckheads are screaming for change won't make it happen any sooner.



Wow 64 did u steal lunches as a kid then say it was thair fualt becouse they where smaller than u.
I do see your full of fear, and lashing out is how u deal with it. Maybe look into this stuff first then make informed comments i mean im not sure about other ppl but if i get bullied i really dont listem to them even if they where right.



Are you upset because it pointed the reporter was a uninformed cretin with little to no understanding of Australia's energy needs?

My most sincerest apologies if what I stated about the reporter upset you and here is a tissue to clean yourself up.


thank you 64 your most kind Kiss
I accept your apology.



You're welcome, nice to see you've cleaned yourself up too.

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Reply #12 - Apr 15th, 2018 at 2:51pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:37pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:25pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:20pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 1:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 5:42pm:
whiteknight wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:35am:
Coal has no place in Australia’s energy future     Smiley   

Canberra Times
April 14 2018

The future is in plain sight. I saw it over the past two weekends at either end of the country: in a house in Middleton south of Hobart and on Low Island, north-east of Cairns.

A family of five lives in the Middleton house. At Easter, my wife and I made it seven. The house is off-grid and off main water. On Low Island, a caretaker and several volunteers inhabit three houses and research the reef, take weather observations and look after the lighthouse. Again it is off the grid and there is obviously no mains water. The lighthouse is also run off solar power.

Imagine not getting an electricity or water bill.

There are some slight inconveniences: fewer power-guzzling appliances like hair-dryers and microwaves and a bit of battery monitoring.




Obviously this has been written by a fkken cretin.

There is no correlation between a family of hippies living off grid and an entire industrialised first world nation living without reliable base-load power.

We would go from a mid tier first world nation to a third world sh1t hole within a few months.

Look if you and your family want to go alternate and off grid, great pay intelligent people to make that happen for you, but don't think you have even the smallest understanding of how our energy grid works and demand we 'go solar' to save the world.


The world is decades from even coming close to weaning itself off coal and just because one or 2 d1ckheads are screaming for change won't make it happen any sooner.



Wow 64 did u steal lunches as a kid then say it was thair fualt becouse they where smaller than u.
I do see your full of fear, and lashing out is how u deal with it. Maybe look into this stuff first then make informed comments i mean im not sure about other ppl but if i get bullied i really dont listem to them even if they where right.



Are you upset because it pointed the reporter was a uninformed cretin with little to no understanding of Australia's energy needs?

My most sincerest apologies if what I stated about the reporter upset you and here is a tissue to clean yourself up.


thank you 64 your most kind Kiss
I accept your apology.



You're welcome, nice to see you've cleaned yourself up too.


I couldn't of done it without your FREE tissue
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