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Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:05am
 
Why Turnbull will “never” back renewables   Sad
10 April 2018
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A federal government led by Malcolm Turnbull will “never” back policies that accelerate the shift to renewables, effectively tackle climate change, or help to phase out coal plants.   Sad

John Grimes, the CEO of Australia’s Smart Energy Council, said on Tuesday that the federal Coalition had been effectively hijacked by the far-right faction – the same group of ultra-conservative MPs which last week formalised their push for new coal power by forming the “Monash Forum.”

As we reported last week, the manifesto of that bizarre group – led by Craig Kelly and Tony Abbott, and featuring more than half of the LNP back bench according to some claims – can be summed up as “coal subsidies good, renewable subsidies or targets bad.”

And despite “getting the economics of coal and renewable energy entirely wrong, and completely misunderstanding how the electricity market operates,” said Grimes, it has managed to gather both media attention and leadership support.

As Giles Parkinson put it last week, “they have demanded Prime minister Malcolm Turnbull jump to their demands, and he has asked how high.”   Sad

Why? According to Grimes, because he is bound to.

“We know, since the last federal election, the Turnbull government will never support a policy that significantly increases renewable energy, tackles climate change, or rolls back the predominance of coal,” he told the told the Smart Energy Conference in Sydney Tuesday.   Sad

“Why? …Because the secret Coalition agreement between the National and Liberal parties which, guarantees Malcolm Turnbull’s leadership, strictly forbids it.

“And the reason this agreement is secret is because if the people of Australia knew that was the agenda at the heart of this government, they would reject it comprehensively.”

That’s because “in the real world,” says Grimes, Australian households and businesses continue to flock to renewable energy technologies like solar and battery storage – as evidenced by the current residential and corporate rooftop PV boom.

And it’s also driving the nascent battery storage boom, which Grimes predicts will extend to 450,000 homes, adding a total of 3.5GWh behind the meter battery storage capacity out to 2020.

“There is overwhelming public support on all sides of politics to move to the energy source of the future: renewable energy. It has enormous public support,” he said.   

Add to that the ambitious renewable energy targets of most of Australia’s state and territory governments, among which 40 per cent by 2025 sits at the lower end of the scale, and what do you get?

“That all means that we are living … in a parallel universe. The parallel universe between the policies of the existing federal government and the real world of Australia; families, self-funded retirees, … the market and the public.

Opposition spokesperson, NSW Labor senator Kristina Keneally also touched on this mysterious disconnect in her address to the conference.

“It is significant that this group of people here today have ignored the negative headlines, the troglodytes in the Coalition government, and they’ve come together for Australia’s biggest solar, storage and smart energy gathering for the year,” she said.

“For reasons known only to themselves, the Turnbull government has repeatedly said that it would like to extend the life of old coal-powered stations and build new ones at taxpayers’ expense.

“We know that building new coal-fired coal power stations is going to be more expensive than building renewable energy storage that will back up … wind and solar power.

“And we know that extending coal-fired power stations only delays the transition, when what we need to be doing is ensuring the transition is smooth and that no one gets left behind,” Keneally said.

“What you might not notice if you pay attention to our politics, (is that) the argument is now over on the ground and in the boardrooms of Australia.

“We’ve only got one future energy system, and that system is driven by renewables and all the technologies and opportunities that renewables bring.

“Now we must listen when business says there is no appetite – and we are talking zero appetite – for building new coal-fired power stations,” she said.

“We must listen, if there is no appetite in our electricity companies for keeping ageing coal-fired power stations running and delaying the inevitable transition that you are all part of.

“And we must always remember, as we hear calls to nationalise the Liddell power station, that it was the NSW Liberal governmetn in 2014 that sold Liddell to AGL for zero dollars. And they were jollied along in that sale… by Abbott and Turnbull governments and their asset recycling program.”

Later in the day, Green Energy Markets analysts Tristan Edis also took a swipe at Turnbull, noting that he would need to stand up to his party’s pro-coal right faction if Australia was to meet its Paris climate obligations.

“What about the NEG? The answer to that, quite simply, is that Malcolm Turnbull needs to grow a spine on this particular issue, if it’s going to be meaningful,” he told the conference.

“It could be that the policy can work, if it’s designed the right way, but it must have a much more strengthened, more aggressive emissions reduction target to drive any kind of meaningful investment targets.

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Reply #1 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:07am
 
What a load of fabricated bunkum.

How could anyone rely on Secondary Power renewable rubbish when it may not be available when it is required ?

Solar is available about 25% of the time and wind is available about 30% of the time.

Industry requires reliable stable voltage and frequency power to be available 24/7 and this can ONLY be supplied from coal and/or hydro Primary Power.

It is all a Greeny dream of an Australia purged of ALL industry with people sitting under trees weaving baskets.

The ONLY way Secondary Power renewable rubbish could ever be of any use is if it is teamed with some as yet uninvented energy storage system.

Mal's Snowy Hydro energy storage system is one way except the small output from the renewable rubbish would probably only pump a few hundred bucket fulls a day and may struggle to generate the energy needed to run the pumps.

When will this Global Warming HOAX finally die ?  And it was the Greenies' only reason for existence and now it is gone.
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Reply #2 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:12am
 
Opposition spokesperson, NSW Labor senator Kristina Keneally also touched on this mysterious disconnect in her address to the conference.

“It is significant that this group of people here today have ignored the negative headlines, the troglodytes in the Coalition government, and they’ve come together for Australia’s biggest solar, storage and smart energy gathering for the year,” she said.   Smiley
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Reply #3 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:19am
 
Heavens BlackDay is provoked enough to briefly appear.

It was only yesterday that SA was teetering on the brink of another blackout as the wind stopped on a hot day.

And SA is the work of the imposter SA Labor geniuses.

And Bull Snorten wants to make ALL Australia into an basket case like SA with power prices heading skyward.
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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 11:09am
 
Most of las vegas is run on solar power so it does work.

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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
Spotty,

I did a bit of research to check to astonishing validity of your statement.

The last paragraph suggest Las Vegas is a long way from being entirely powered by renewables.

Note that hydro from the Hoover Dam is a large source of renewable energy to Las Vegas.




OVERVIEW - How much energy does Las Vegas actually use?
Author John Smith Published Nov 30, 2017 9:19 CEST

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Las Vegas. Author: Joseph De Palma.

November 30 (Renewables Now) - Behind China, the US is the second worst offender on the planet when it comes to carbon emissions. Extensive car use and a continued reliance on fossil fuels look like they are not going to be reduced either, with President Donald Trump announcing US withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement and investment into the ailing coal industry instead. In an inefficient and wasteful nation, Las Vegas is one of the main offenders.

Despite trailblazing renewable energy schemes being present in Nevada since the early part of last century, the city is still an energy-guzzling monster that is consuming energy faster than it can produce it, despite ‘official’ figures that point to Las Vegas running 100% on renewable energy. It turns out that the brightly lit slot machines, gigantic video billboards and millions of light bulbs that pepper pretty much every building on the strip add up, along with the constant air condition systems that are the real culprits for extended energy use. The truth is that the energy headache is a long way off being solved, despite some new plans that will go some way to ensuring the city is not plunged into darkness anytime soon.

It is not like Nevada is averse to renewable energy. Back in the 1930s, The Colorado River was chosen as the location of a major hydroelectric dam, partly to provide power to cities on the West Coast, partly to provide employment for thousands of men during the great depression. The Hoover Dam became America’s great renewable energy program, and is still a major tourist attraction to this day with spectacular views over the valley and the relatively new Lake Mead. The truth now though is that the Dam’s ability to provide electricity for 8 million people simply will not be enough if consumption keeps going at the current rate.

If there is one thing that Las Vegas and Nevada have plenty of, it is sunshine. The average 294 days of sunny weather and desert conditions make for ideal solar power generating conditions, and there is one of America’s largest facilities out on the Ivanpah dry lake. Using a tower mounted boiler and a huge array of mirrors, the concentrated solar power (CSP) plant provides 392 MW  of clean energy. To put things into perspective though, it would take several hundred of these USD-2.2-billion facilities to cover the state’s current and future energy needs.

Las Vegas may have started life as a desolate row of buildings in the desert, but the arrival of West Coast criminals looking to relax in the sun and take advantage of Nevada’s relaxed gambling laws soon turned the pock-marked road and adobe buildings into a bustling street packed with casinos. The old Las Vegas Strip, and its newer counterpart, are the whole reason the city exists in the way it does, transforming from a smattering of casinos and hotels into the bustling, sprawling 1-million-plus person metropolis that it is today. The casino industry employs around 170,000 people, along the thriving retail, events, catering and hotel industries that create an entire city worth of people just in croupiers, security staff, barmen, retail workers, chefs and musicians. The city has grown massively even in the last decade, matching the transformation of the city from just a paradise for gambling into an international hub for conferences, music events and fine dining. Despite this surge in residents, the energy usage is surprisingly unbalanced.

There are 40 major casinos in Las Vegas accounting for around 150,000 hotel rooms. Taking up considerably less real estate than the sprawling suburbs and condominiums that house the staff that work in them, Casinos are still responsible for over 20% of Las Vegas’ energy usage. This astounding proportion of energy used by these individual buildings is way higher than other similar sized buildings across the world. After the power-sapping air conditioning, the worst offender, is accounted for, the amazing 12.5 million LEDs that light up Fremont Street and the Bellagio fountain that cost USD 5 million every year in utility bills are just some of the rampant wastes of energy used to ‘enhance’ visitor experience. Even astronauts have pointed out just how bright Las Vegas is from space, an accolade which just goes to show the level of light pollution the city throws out every single night.

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Reply #6 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
Energy use for Las Vegas continues...

A simple solution for environmentally gamblers would be to simply stop visiting these casinos until they address their energy consumption. Extravagant spending and the lack of waste-consciousness would alter if everyone stopped visiting casinos. This may seem extreme and of course gamblers would miss out on the action, but there is another more environmentally friendly solution that is perfectly legal in Nevada. Online casino gaming gets pretty close to the real thing now, thanks to well-designed virtual gaming rooms and engaging online slots. Instead of feeding a slot machine which consumes as much power as a small electric heater, gamers can play online slots, and as an added bonus they do not have to be in the casino to experience the fun. Pixels consume way less power than clunky old mechanical machines, and they pay out at way better odds too.

Nevada recognises that things need to change. USD 5 million have been devoted to upgrading low voltage systems and pushing renewable energy sources to make 25% of the state’s energy completely renewable by 2020. Judging by the current reliance on natural gas (over 70% of Las Vegas’ electricity comes from the burning of it), along with President Trump’s refusal to invest in renewables, this target is now looking extremely unlikely.

In terms of hard figures, Las Vegas’ energy usage clocks in at somewhere around 8,000 MW on a hot day (which is almost every day). To put things into perspective, the same amount of energy could be used to power over 8 million homes – or the entire state of Idaho, industry, homes, transport and all, for just over 24 hours.

Despite the projects in the pipeline to try and alleviate the excessive energy consumption in Las Vegas, as well as green initiatives offered to hotels, it looks like we are still a long way off sustainable power usage in Sin City. As long as casinos continue to make so much money that the energy bill does not matter, and as long as the US has a president who back-tracks on previous climate change agreements, then Las Vegas will continue to contribute to its reputation for excess in all areas.


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Reply #7 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 11:51am
 
I didnt say it was 100% powered by renewables. I said it was mostly powered by solar.

If governments were even slightly interested in solar power they would put money into developing storage. Australia has a LOT of desert for solar and also (surprisingly still) a lot of groundwater moving at great speed that can be used for power.

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Reply #8 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 1:35pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 11:51am:
I didnt say it was 100% powered by renewables. I said it was mostly powered by solar.



From above -
juliar wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 11:36am:
In terms of hard figures, Las Vegas’ energy usage clocks in at somewhere around 8,000 MW on a hot day



"But in sunny southern Nevada, the focal point of change is solar energy. Last year Acciona, a global infrastructure and renewable energy company, unveiled a 400-acre, 64-megawatt solar power plant in Boulder City, just south of Las Vegas. "

"What really transformed the solar landscape in southern Nevada are the large-scale projects. 2007 saw the construction of a 14-megawatt solar power station at Nellis Air Force Base, just northeast of Las Vegas, marking a milestone in the US military’s march toward renewable energy. Last year, Nellis – home to the world’s largest advanced air combat training mission – added another 15-megawatt solar array on its grounds."

https://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy/2017/1027/Las-Vegas-shines-as-a-mod...

Now even if the Nellis Air Force Base allows any excess to go to the grid; that only makes 93MW of solar for a place that uses about 8,000MW per day.

And if they are quoting MW/h that is less than 120MW/ sunlight day.
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Reply #9 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 10:55am
 
juliar wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:07am:
What a load of fabricated bunkum.

How could anyone rely on Secondary Power renewable rubbish when it may not be available when it is required ?

Solar is available about 25% of the time and wind is available about 30% of the time.

Industry requires reliable stable voltage and frequency power to be available 24/7 and this can ONLY be supplied from coal and/or hydro Primary Power.

It is all a Greeny dream of an Australia purged of ALL industry with people sitting under trees weaving baskets.

The ONLY way Secondary Power renewable rubbish could ever be of any use is if it is teamed with some as yet uninvented energy storage system.

Mal's Snowy Hydro energy storage system is one way except the small output from the renewable rubbish would probably only pump a few hundred bucket fulls a day and may struggle to generate the energy needed to run the pumps.

When will this Global Warming HOAX finally die ?  And it was the Greenies' only reason for existence and now it is gone.


They are called batteries dickhead and working quite nicely in Sth Australia until the Luddites try and dismantle it Sad
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Reply #10 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 11:41am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12th, 2018 at 10:55am:
They are called batteries dickhead and working quite nicely in Sth Australia until the Luddites try and dismantle it



Had a lot of experience with them; have they? I thought it was less than 6 months.
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Reply #11 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 11:54am
 
Bit of the usual vulgar spam from the climatically confused Globally Warmed technically vague LostSnail.

The tiny 100MW battery in SA would last for only a FEW MINUTES if required to supply the full SA load of some 2000MW.

Malcolm's Snowy Energy Storage Scheme is a genuine worthwhile energy storage scheme with large worthwhile capacity.

On an industrial scale the Secondary Power renewable rubbish would ONLY be of any use if teamed with a large capacity energy storage scheme like Malcolm's.

You cannot run industry on a power system that stops when the wind stops.



Oh by the way Spotty, The article says that over 70% of Las Vegas’ electricity comes from the burning of natural gas.

Wonder why they don't use more hydro from Hoover Dam ? probably because it is near capacity.


Sounds a bit like 4th world country SA where their electricity comes from burning diesel when the wind stops.
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