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Apr 9th, 2018 at 9:43am
 

ARGUMENT - LEFTISM, has its foundation in political nihilism




LEFTISM IS MENTAL ILLNESS

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https://youtu.be/tCQ0akYN7zY






A guy seeking to destroy/overthrow, PC irrationality,
with a dose of rational, and critical 'examination', of a few LEFTIST political arguments.

Good luck!          Grin



This guy is an almost exact        clone of 'Pat Condell'.      hehe

And his arguments, make perfect sense, to me.


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Reply #1 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
Yes but given you're a bit nuts, probably says a lit.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 1:27pm
 
I'd be very careful Yadda, the bible is full of leftist ideologist.  Jesus is perhaps one of the greatest socialist ever lived.

When you reap in your harvest in the field, and have forgotten a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it...When you beat your olive trees, you shall not go over the boughs again...When you gather the grapes of your vineyard, you shall not glean it afterward; it shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless and the widow. You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt; therefore I command you to do this
    — (Deut. 24:19–22).[2]

Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked
— (Ps. 82 (81): 3, 4)

t is God's gift to humankind that everyone should eat and drink and take pleasure in all their toil
— (Ecc. 3: 13)

Jesus himself expelled money lenders from the temple.  Aka, bankers.   He gave help to those who seeks it - no matter their background, wealth.  Even those criminals who were crucified next to him, he would welcome them to his kingdom.
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Reply #3 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 4:02pm
 
Why listen to an old crusty front bottom?

They don't care about anyone...
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Reply #4 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 5:39pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

I'd be very careful Yadda, the bible is full of leftist ideologist.


Jesus is perhaps one of the greatest socialist ever lived.






I'd be very careful Yadda, the bible is full of leftist ideologist.  Jesus is perhaps one of the greatest socialist ever lived.



tickleandrose,

I would argue, that the following parable, by Jesus, wasn't given as instruction, by 'the greatest socialist ever'....

Matthew 25:24
Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25  And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26  His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27  Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.


Jesus is not a socialist.

Matthew 21:33-46            the wicked husbandmen
Matthew 22:1-14            the wedding of the son of the king    particularly, vs. 12 and 13
Matthew 25:1-12            the wise and foolish virgins
Matthew 25:14-30



The words of Jesus in the book of Revelation....

Revelation 2:21
And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22  Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23  And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.


Revelation 18:6
Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.


Revelation 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.



tickleandrose,

A few words to ponder upon.....

Psalms 50:16
But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
17  Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.
18  When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers.
19  Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.
20  Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son.
21  These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
22  Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
23  Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.



Scripture teaches us, that that which is 'unworthy' will be discarded [and burned in the fire]....

Ezekiel 15:2
Son of man, What is the vine tree more than any tree, or than a branch which is among the trees of the forest?
3  Shall wood be taken thereof to do any work? or will men take a pin of it to hang any vessel thereon?
4  Behold, it is cast into the fire for fuel; the fire devoureth both the ends of it, and the midst of it is burned. Is it meet for any work?


Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.


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Reply #5 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 5:40pm
 


@ Reply #2,



tickleandrose,

Thank you for the verses of scripture.        Smiley

Which do indicate that, yes, yes indeed,        the God of the bible, which is the God of the O.T. too,
calls on those who serve Him, to help the weak and the poor - AND NOT to oppress them.


And to 'make way' for them [e.g. in the time of the harvest], as in the example you quoted...

Deuteronomy 24:19
When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.
20  When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
21  When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
22  And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt: therefore I command thee to do this thing.



AND....

Exodus 22:22
Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Psalms 82:2
How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3  Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4  Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

Isaiah 1:17
Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

Jeremiah 22:3
Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood....



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tickleandrose,

But the word of God, also says.....

Proverbs 6:6
Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:
7  Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler,
8  Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest.
9  How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?

Proverbs 12:24
The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.

Proverbs 13:4
The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat.

Proverbs 19:15
Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger.

Proverbs 19:24
A slothful man hideth his hand in his bosom, and will not so much as bring it to his mouth again.

Proverbs 20:4
The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing.

Proverbs 21:25
The desire of the slothful killeth him; for his hands refuse to labour.
26  He coveteth greedily all the day long: but the righteous giveth and spareth not.

Proverbs 24:30
I went by the field of the slothful, and by the vineyard of the man void of understanding;
31  And, lo, it was all grown over with thorns, and nettles had covered the face thereof, and the stone wall thereof was broken down.
32  Then I saw, and considered it well: I looked upon it, and received instruction.
33  Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep:
34  So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth; and thy want as an armed man.

Proverbs 26:14
As the door turneth upon his hinges, so doth the slothful upon his bed.
15  The slothful hideth his hand in his bosom; it grieveth him to bring it again to his mouth.
16  The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason.


slothfulness = = laziness


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Reply #6 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 8:55am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 1:27pm:

I'd be very careful Yadda, the bible is full of leftist ideologist.


Jesus is perhaps one of the greatest socialist ever lived.





The parable of the wise and foolish virgins....


Matthew 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2  And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3  They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4  But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5  While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6  And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7  Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8  And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9  But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10  And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11  Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12  But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.




tickleandrose,

If Jesus was indeed a great socialist,         surely in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins,
Jesus words would have recorded,
the five wise virgins sharing their oil, with the five virgins that were found wanting [oil!] ?

But instead,           Jesus has the five wise virgins admonishing their counterparts,
and counseling them to go and buy their own oil.


ARGUMENT;
Jesus lesson here, did not suggest that a socialist paradise was his philosophical ideal.



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Reply #7 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 10:15am
 
Re Yadda:

Lets go over some of your quotations.  For I believe you are mis-quoting the bible.   Since you like matthew's chapter 25, then lets look it.  I have not much time to look at all the verses you've quoted.  Its a long time since my bible study / debate days.

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tickleandrose,

I would argue, that the following parable, by Jesus, wasn't given as instruction, by 'the greatest socialist ever'....

Matthew 25:24
Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25  And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26  His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27  Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.


Jesus is not a socialist.

Matthew 21:33-46            the wicked husbandmen
Matthew 22:1-14            the wedding of the son of the king    particularly, vs. 12 and 13
Matthew 25:1-12            the wise and foolish virgins
Matthew 25:14-30


Okay this is the subsection in its entirety. 

The Parable of the Bags of Gold

14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’

21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’

23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’

26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ [/quote]

If you just read the English interpretation, one would easily believe bags of gold is a representation of money.  As in god would praise the master who praise the servant who earned him more gold in return.  But in Hebrew and biblical sense, it is not actual gold it meant.  Gold in this case, means talent.  And talents are 'weighty' in the Hebrew sense.   And the most weighty, the most glorious, and abundant of all was the god's mercy. 

In this case, the timid servant who buried his 'gold', or talent was punished, not because of him being a very bad money making venturer, but because of he had fundamentally mis-understood of what he was given, and meant to grow - that is the divine mercy.   Meant to be shared, so that others would be able to grow their own 'gifts' and 'talents'.  Remember, the divine mercy would only grow inside you, if you are willing to give to others.  The timid servant buried the gold, because he have hugged himself too tightly into his earthy possessions, and misunderstood the real intention of god's purpose. 

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Open a YT page, and do a search for...

         LEFTISM IS MENTAL


There is a plentiful harvest to be found there!        Grin

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tickleandrose,

I welcome your engagement to the debate, and i will respond.


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tickleandrose wrote on Apr 10th, 2018 at 10:15am:

If you just read the English interpretation, one would easily believe bags of gold is a representation of money.  As in god would praise the master who praise the servant who earned him more gold in return.  But in Hebrew and biblical sense, it is not actual gold it meant.  Gold in this case, means talent.  And talents are 'weighty' in the Hebrew sense.   And the most weighty, the most glorious, and abundant of all was the god's mercy

In this case, the timid servant who buried his 'gold', or talent was punished, not because of him being a very bad money making venturer, but because of he had fundamentally mis-understood of what he was given, and meant to grow - that is the divine mercy.

Meant to be shared, so that others would be able to grow their own 'gifts' and 'talents'.

Remember, the divine mercy would only grow inside you, if you are willing to give to others.

The timid servant buried the gold, because he have hugged himself too tightly into his earthy possessions, and misunderstood the real intention of god's purpose.






tickleandrose,

I agree with you, that the 'talents' in the parable were representative of more than simply physical property or money.

We see in a different account by Jesus, he compares      the conduct     of the 'faithful and wise servant'
compared to     the conduct     of an 'evil servant'....

Matthew 24:45
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46  Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47  Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48  But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49  And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51  And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


In those words of caution, Jesus more directly refers to      the conduct       of those who find themselves with authority, or, with 'gifts' or with 'talents' [above their fellows].

And i could argue that we should consider how we use our 'talents', as i believe Jesus referred to, when he also wrote this....

Matthew 13:12
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

[as was the 'outcome',      in the parable of the talents, in Matthew 25]

and this....

Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

and this....

Matthew 25:29
For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.



I would suggest, that Jesus also made those statements, as a warning to the types of 'fruits' and to the 'talents', which men seek in life.....

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.



tickleandrose,

A FURTHER CONSIDERATION.....

A kingdom cannot exist without laws.

Q.
What are the purpose of laws ?

Laws regulate and help to put in good order, the affairs of a nation or of a state [or a kingdom].

What about the laws, in God's proposed [or existing] kingdom ?

Does the God of Israel [the bible], want an ordered and peaceful, and happy and prosperous kingdom ?

Q.
And, how can we know, and how can we be sure [about God's very nature and character] ???

A.
Examine his Word.   [....examine what he has repeatedly stated, in his Word]


The God of scripture,             states time and time again, that he will have respect towards those ['servants'] who are fair, and righteous, in their dealings with their 'fellows'.

see some of the scripture which shines a light of God's character, in my post here...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1520856416/18#18

Q.
Are those the words of a tyrant ?

Or of an unjust, and cruel tyrant ?

QUESTION;
What is the conduct [towards others] that God [in scripture] actually encourages in us, his spiritual children ?


Myself, i absolutely, cannot believe that our creator is a tyrant.

Though he does state, again, and again, that he in the 'judgement' [of the souls of men], he will not be 'slack' towards oppressors and criminals.



And tickleandrose, in referring to text in Matthew referring to the 'talents', you wrote,

"But in Hebrew and biblical sense,..."

The earliest New Testament copies we have, were written in Greek, i believe.

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Reply #11 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 9:59pm
 
MATTHEW 19:21-22
21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

MARK 10:21-22
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
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@ Reply #11


Living in the world, every one of us becomes 'experienced', in all of the ways of this world.

And in all of those 'experiences', we all have fallen short of what a holy God requires of us.

And living 'in the world', becomes a snare to the soul, of every man.

We become the 'creatures' [the creation] of this world [and the 'creatures' of its influences].



I am not holy.

And that is my error [before God].

But i have a promise [of God].

It is sufficient that i recognise that i am a sinner, and worthy of death.

And, that i accept God's offer to redeem me, from the corruption of this world.



Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

....which was also Jesus message, to the men of his age.



If we repent, and if we turn to seek God,         we still remain corrupted individuals, and sinners, and worthy of death.

But God chooses to forgive us.

It is just a promise.

Some people find it to be, an unbelievable promise.
.....and in any case, they have other, more important interests, which they are busy pursuing.


1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22  For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24  But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25  Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

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