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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #210 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:55pm

Big Donger wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:07pm:

A good soundtrack to a good story: Conrad's Heart of Darkness set in the backdrop of Amerika's total war in Vietnam. An Oedipal story about the son slaying the father.

But Nam wasn't like that for Aussies. For a start, it was a war, not a quest or an adventure. And the one, defining thing about war?

Boredom.

Soldiers spend most of their time waiting. They never give you any information. Finally, they send you into some dumb mishap, and it's all over in a couple of hours. You sink or swim. Most soldiers only get a couple of battles. You get in - and out - as quickly as you can. And that's if you're not injured or killed. Those soldiers only get one.

Modern soldiering is usually peacekeeping - gangs of kids walking around the streets or going from house to house feeling important. We did a bit of that in Nam.

But jungle warfare's in and out, mostly finding nothing, or if you do, copping a hiding. Soldiers knew from the pointlessness of it that it was unwinnable. Sure, there were a few Big Hole bullsht-artists over there, and officers and careerists, but the blokes that went into the jungle knew: it was their country, they'd keep it.

All the rest was hanging around barracks in the humidity, drinking warm beer. Endless cleaning, pointless drills. The devil makes work with idle hands, and boys' minds turn to mischief. You had to be able to look after yourself. The officers were scared shtless of us. The NCOs were cnts.

Now if I feel like it, I'll give you a real ANZAC Day story. But if I hear one peep out of Hole, it's off.

Can't wait for your story Karnal -

a man who actually went there.

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #211 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:55pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:49pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Maybe Karnal was a comfort woman. How many times was she shot at?

Me so horny. It's true too. War does make you horny.

So Karnal - did you say

me love you long time?

I've never loved long time, son. I'm a fighter - in and out.

Like an L1A2?

Probably more like a sharpened bamboo stick smeared with pigsht.

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #213 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:03pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:49pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Maybe Karnal was a comfort woman. How many times was she shot at?

Me so horny. It's true too. War does make you horny.

So Karnal - did you say

me love you long time?

I've never loved long time, son. I'm a fighter - in and out.

Like an L1A2?

Probably more like a sharpened bamboo stick smeared with pigsht.

That was a Viet tool wasn't it?

I seriously think you all underestimate K. Just my reading and opinion. Don't let your grievances jade your view.

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #214 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:07pm:

A good soundtrack to a good story: Conrad's Heart of Darkness set in the backdrop of Amerika's total war in Vietnam. An Oedipal story about the son slaying the father.

But Nam wasn't like that for Aussies. For a start, it was a war, not a quest or an adventure. And the one, defining thing about war?

Boredom.

Soldiers spend most of their time waiting. They never give you any information. Finally, they send you into some dumb mishap, and it's all over in a couple of hours. You sink or swim. Most soldiers only get a couple of battles. You get in - and out - as quickly as you can. And that's if you're not injured or killed. Those soldiers only get one.

Modern soldiering is usually peacekeeping - gangs of kids walking around the streets or going from house to house feeling important. We did a bit of that in Nam.

But jungle warfare's in and out, mostly finding nothing, or if you do, copping a hiding. Soldiers knew from the pointlessness of it that it was unwinnable. Sure, there were a few Big Hole bullsht-artists over there, and officers and careerists, but the blokes that went into the jungle knew: it was their country, they'd keep it.

All the rest was hanging around barracks in the humidity, drinking warm beer. Endless cleaning, pointless drills. The devil makes work with idle hands, and boys' minds turn to mischief. You had to be able to look after yourself. The officers were scared shtless of us. The NCOs were cnts.

Now if I feel like it, I'll give you a real ANZAC Day story. But if I hear one peep out of Hole, it's off.

Can't wait for your story Karnal -

a man who actually went there.

Nor can I and I will show the respect you so truly fkking deserve.

Don't forget date and location, champ

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #215 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:28pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

a man who actually went there.

My father served in Korea, you can't get him to say much but I have gotten a few very short stories over the years. My father's brother did two tours in VietNam, my second cousin died there. The first doesn't talk about it, the second can't.

Edit: For anyone there that may have known him, Colin Lithgow, died by mine, definitely not the way you want to get legless.

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #216 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:50pm

rhino wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:16pm:

Trying to pretend you are deserved respect because you once wore a uniform doesnt cut it for me. All this 'served " business is jingoistic propoganda perpetuated by the Yanks. Refuelling aircraft remote from any war zone and in less danger than the average desk jockey is not something to dine out on. In fact it reeks of desperation to try to be somehow important because you have achieved nothing else in life other than to be a low level grunt performing a mediocre job. And yes Big ole I have been in war zones. What about you? I was also in Butterworth in the early 80s , no claim to fame there.

Errr, refuelling aircraft is actually quite a dangerous job, Rhino. You need to make sure that the fuel pump is earthed, the aircraft is earthed and that the fuel supply is earthed as well. You need to wear rubber soled boots. There is a big danger of a spark setting the whole lot off. Roll Eyes

Show how many people were killed or injured refuelling aircraft in the last ten years. Lots of "dangerous" jobs around if the person is untrained. Big woop.

The point is, Rhino, it takes training to know and understand the risk involved and do the job safely. In the army, there is a six-week PetOp course, which covers all aspects of refuelling vehicles and aircraft. It takes six-weeks to teach people properly. It is why PetOps learn to wear gas-masks during refuelling of large quantities of Jerrycans. If you don't, you get high and you're basically stuffed for the day. It is why PetOps have to surrender all matches/lighters/cigarettes when going on shift. Nowadays, not a big problem but 30 years ago a huge problem for the smokers. Roll Eyes

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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using posting to the general forum now. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #217 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:50pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:16pm:

Trying to pretend you are deserved respect because you once wore a uniform doesnt cut it for me. All this 'served " business is jingoistic propoganda perpetuated by the Yanks. Refuelling aircraft remote from any war zone and in less danger than the average desk jockey is not something to dine out on. In fact it reeks of desperation to try to be somehow important because you have achieved nothing else in life other than to be a low level grunt performing a mediocre job. And yes Big ole I have been in war zones. What about you? I was also in Butterworth in the early 80s , no claim to fame there.

Errr, refuelling aircraft is actually quite a dangerous job, Rhino. You need to make sure that the fuel pump is earthed, the aircraft is earthed and that the fuel supply is earthed as well. You need to wear rubber soled boots. There is a big danger of a spark setting the whole lot off. Roll Eyes

Show how many people were killed or injured refuelling aircraft in the last ten years. Lots of "dangerous" jobs around if the person is untrained. Big woop.

The point is, Rhino, it takes training to know and understand the risk involved and do the job safely. In the army, there is a six-week PetOp course, which covers all aspects of refuelling vehicles and aircraft. It takes six-weeks to teach people properly. It is why PetOps learn to wear gas-masks during refuelling of large quantities of Jerrycans. If you don't, you get high and you're basically stuffed for the day. It is why PetOps have to surrender all matches/lighters/cigarettes when going on shift. Nowadays, not a big problem but 30 years ago a huge problem for the smokers. Roll Eyes

A smoker could never set fire to jet fuel unless he put his lighter or match to the fuel. Jet fuel is pretty much kerosene. Sure it's inadvisable to smoke around it but even petrol, which is much more volatile, can not be ignited by a cigarette. The flame used to light a cigarette may be a problem.

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #218 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 11:23pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:50pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:16pm:

Trying to pretend you are deserved respect because you once wore a uniform doesnt cut it for me. All this 'served " business is jingoistic propoganda perpetuated by the Yanks. Refuelling aircraft remote from any war zone and in less danger than the average desk jockey is not something to dine out on. In fact it reeks of desperation to try to be somehow important because you have achieved nothing else in life other than to be a low level grunt performing a mediocre job. And yes Big ole I have been in war zones. What about you? I was also in Butterworth in the early 80s , no claim to fame there.

Errr, refuelling aircraft is actually quite a dangerous job, Rhino. You need to make sure that the fuel pump is earthed, the aircraft is earthed and that the fuel supply is earthed as well. You need to wear rubber soled boots. There is a big danger of a spark setting the whole lot off. Roll Eyes

Show how many people were killed or injured refuelling aircraft in the last ten years. Lots of "dangerous" jobs around if the person is untrained. Big woop.

The point is, Rhino, it takes training to know and understand the risk involved and do the job safely. In the army, there is a six-week PetOp course, which covers all aspects of refuelling vehicles and aircraft. It takes six-weeks to teach people properly. It is why PetOps learn to wear gas-masks during refuelling of large quantities of Jerrycans. If you don't, you get high and you're basically stuffed for the day. It is why PetOps have to surrender all matches/lighters/cigarettes when going on shift. Nowadays, not a big problem but 30 years ago a huge problem for the smokers. Roll Eyes

A smoker could never set fire to jet fuel unless he put his lighter or match to the fuel. Jet fuel is pretty much kerosene. Sure it's inadvisable to smoke around it but even petrol, which is much more volatile, can not be ignited by a cigarette. The flame used to light a cigarette may be a problem.

Dropped ciggies can ignite things that can ignite kero fumes . There'd be lots of fumes around when refuelling in 40deg temps in Vietnam.

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #219 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 11:33pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 11:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:50pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:16pm:

Trying to pretend you are deserved respect because you once wore a uniform doesnt cut it for me. All this 'served " business is jingoistic propoganda perpetuated by the Yanks. Refuelling aircraft remote from any war zone and in less danger than the average desk jockey is not something to dine out on. In fact it reeks of desperation to try to be somehow important because you have achieved nothing else in life other than to be a low level grunt performing a mediocre job. And yes Big ole I have been in war zones. What about you? I was also in Butterworth in the early 80s , no claim to fame there.

Errr, refuelling aircraft is actually quite a dangerous job, Rhino. You need to make sure that the fuel pump is earthed, the aircraft is earthed and that the fuel supply is earthed as well. You need to wear rubber soled boots. There is a big danger of a spark setting the whole lot off. Roll Eyes

Show how many people were killed or injured refuelling aircraft in the last ten years. Lots of "dangerous" jobs around if the person is untrained. Big woop.

The point is, Rhino, it takes training to know and understand the risk involved and do the job safely. In the army, there is a six-week PetOp course, which covers all aspects of refuelling vehicles and aircraft. It takes six-weeks to teach people properly. It is why PetOps learn to wear gas-masks during refuelling of large quantities of Jerrycans. If you don't, you get high and you're basically stuffed for the day. It is why PetOps have to surrender all matches/lighters/cigarettes when going on shift. Nowadays, not a big problem but 30 years ago a huge problem for the smokers. Roll Eyes

A smoker could never set fire to jet fuel unless he put his lighter or match to the fuel. Jet fuel is pretty much kerosene. Sure it's inadvisable to smoke around it but even petrol, which is much more volatile, can not be ignited by a cigarette. The flame used to light a cigarette may be a problem.

Dropped ciggies can ignite things that can ignite kero fumes . There'd be lots of fumes around when refuelling in 40deg temps in Vietnam.

A cigarette burns at a certain temp, that is not a temp that can ignite petrol or kero. I would happily stand in front of your fuel fill point of your car and throw a ciggie in. Sure if people flicked butts left, right and where-ever, it may cause a fire that resulted in temps high enough to burn petrol or kero but there are many things that can do that. It's not the smoking that is the problem, it's flicking your butts around. Provide ashtrays.

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #220 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 11:38pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:49pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:

Big Donger wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Maybe Karnal was a comfort woman. How many times was she shot at?

Me so horny. It's true too. War does make you horny.

So Karnal - did you say

me love you long time?

I've never loved long time, son. I'm a fighter - in and out.

Like an L1A2?

Probably more like a sharpened bamboo stick smeared with pigsht.

Human sht. Pigsht would do fck all.

You want to kill a man, do it with your stool, as every schoolboy knows.

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #221 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 11:43pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

a man who actually went there.

My father served in Korea, you can't get him to say much but I have gotten a few very short stories over the years. My father's brother did two tours in VietNam, my second cousin died there. The first doesn't talk about it, the second can't.

Edit: For anyone there that may have known him, Colin Lithgow, died by mine, definitely not the way you want to get legless.

For the most part, there's nothing to say. Only trumped-up pussies krap on about "service". I can't think of any operations since WWII that served anybody.

You?

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #222 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 11:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:50pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:16pm:

Trying to pretend you are deserved respect because you once wore a uniform doesnt cut it for me. All this 'served " business is jingoistic propoganda perpetuated by the Yanks. Refuelling aircraft remote from any war zone and in less danger than the average desk jockey is not something to dine out on. In fact it reeks of desperation to try to be somehow important because you have achieved nothing else in life other than to be a low level grunt performing a mediocre job. And yes Big ole I have been in war zones. What about you? I was also in Butterworth in the early 80s , no claim to fame there.

Errr, refuelling aircraft is actually quite a dangerous job, Rhino. You need to make sure that the fuel pump is earthed, the aircraft is earthed and that the fuel supply is earthed as well. You need to wear rubber soled boots. There is a big danger of a spark setting the whole lot off. Roll Eyes

Show how many people were killed or injured refuelling aircraft in the last ten years. Lots of "dangerous" jobs around if the person is untrained. Big woop.

The point is, Rhino, it takes training to know and understand the risk involved and do the job safely. In the army, there is a six-week PetOp course, which covers all aspects of refuelling vehicles and aircraft. It takes six-weeks to teach people properly. It is why PetOps learn to wear gas-masks during refuelling of large quantities of Jerrycans. If you don't, you get high and you're basically stuffed for the day. It is why PetOps have to surrender all matches/lighters/cigarettes when going on shift. Nowadays, not a big problem but 30 years ago a huge problem for the smokers. Roll Eyes

Lol.

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Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam
Reply #223 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 11:51pm

Big Donger wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 11:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 10:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

a man who actually went there.

My father served in Korea, you can't get him to say much but I have gotten a few very short stories over the years. My father's brother did two tours in VietNam, my second cousin died there. The first doesn't talk about it, the second can't.

Edit: For anyone there that may have known him, Colin Lithgow, died by mine, definitely not the way you want to get legless.

For the most part, there's nothing to say. Only trumped-up pussies krap on about "service". I can't think of any operations since WWII that served anybody.

You?

I can think of "things/ideas" served, indeed. Whether I would think these "things/ideas" served were worth it... Some are some are not. Our overlords are like broken clocks. Some things need to be fought against, some agreed with.

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Big Donger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102054	Re: Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam Reply #224 - Apr 8^th, 2018 at 12:00am We sent peacekeepers to East Timor. That's the only mission I can think of since the Pacific campaign where Australians served and delivered.
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