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Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests
Reply #15 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:51pm

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:28pm:

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:24pm:

"Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay."

That doesn't say anything about "consider" the workers.

Put up or shut up.

You're kidding, right?

I take it that's a "no".

You're being ridiculous.

Come back when you learn how to read.

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Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests
Reply #16 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:

You're being ridiculous.

Come back when you learn how to read.

I can read. I can also comprehend. Come back when you get that comprehension issue sorted.

They want to change the rules. Nowhere does it say they want the workers to merely be "considered".

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Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests
Reply #17 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:11pm

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:

You're being ridiculous.

Come back when you learn how to read.

I can read. I can also comprehend. Come back when you get that comprehension issue sorted.

They want to change the rules. Nowhere does it say they want the workers to merely be "considered".

Correct.

That's exactly what I've been saying.

They want the rules changed so that they consider the workers.

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Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests
Reply #18 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:28pm:

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:24pm:

"Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay."

That doesn't say anything about "consider" the workers.

Put up or shut up.

You're kidding, right?

Best to ignore the troll.

IR laws are in need of an overhaul to make them more balanced. Employers have far too much power.

Employers can sue workers for refusing to work.
Employees cannot sue bosses for refusing to let them work.

Employers can refuse to pay superannuation.
Employees cannot take any action to force employers to pay superannuation.

Strike action requires a lot of burdensome red tape.
Employers can lay off their entire workforce and replace them with hardly any red tape at all.

Casualisation is rampant.

Wage theft is rampant and safety issues are widespread.
Employees cannot take meaningful action to force compliance - because employers can sue them.

Everywhere you look, there's massive imbalances in IR laws favouring the employers. Change is clearly needed.

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Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests
Reply #19 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:11pm:

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:

You're being ridiculous.

Come back when you learn how to read.

I can read. I can also comprehend. Come back when you get that comprehension issue sorted.

They want to change the rules. Nowhere does it say they want the workers to merely be "considered".

Correct.

That's exactly what I've been saying.

They want the rules changed so that they consider the workers.

So that's the reason for all the strikeouts? How puerile Grin

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Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests
Reply #20 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:33pm

Bam wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:28pm:

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 2:24pm:

"Australian Unions are campaigning to change the rules so that working people have more secure jobs and better pay."

That doesn't say anything about "consider" the workers.

Put up or shut up.

You're kidding, right?

Best to ignore the troll.

IR laws are in need of an overhaul to make them more balanced. Employers have far too much power.

Employers can sue workers for refusing to work.
Employees cannot sue bosses for refusing to let them work.

Employers can refuse to pay superannuation.
Employees cannot take any action to force employers to pay superannuation.

Strike action requires a lot of burdensome red tape.
Employers can lay off their entire workforce and replace them with hardly any red tape at all.

Casualisation is rampant.

Wage theft is rampant and safety issues are widespread.
Employees cannot take meaningful action to force compliance - because employers can sue them.

Everywhere you look, there's massive imbalances in IR laws favouring the employers. Change is clearly needed.

Ain't that the truth!

I obtained a Campaign Kit from the ACTU, for those who want to know more: 56 Page Kit

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21258 Gender:	Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests Reply #21 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 4:06pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:33pm: Ain't that the truth! I obtained a Campaign Kit from the ACTU, for those who want to know more: 56 Page Kit And even that kit doesn't reference "consider".
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests Reply #22 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 6:23pm lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 4:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:33pm: Ain't that the truth! I obtained a Campaign Kit from the ACTU, for those who want to know more: 56 Page Kit And even that kit doesn't reference "consider". Your argument is extremely silly.
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Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests
Reply #23 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 6:37pm

Bam wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

lee wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 4:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 3:33pm:

Ain't that the truth!

I obtained a Campaign Kit from the ACTU, for those who want to know more: 56 Page Kit

And even that kit doesn't reference "consider". Grin

Your argument is extremely silly.

He doesn't actually have an argument.

Nobody said they used the word "consider".

And, to try and argue that they're not trying to change the rules by considering the workers, is just ludicrous.

I'm not sure what drugs lee is on, but I'd steer clear of them.

Anyway, the campaign kit gives a bit more information, for those of you who are interested.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests Reply #24 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 8:30pm If they change the rules so the pendulum swings back to the workers then what's the issue ? Best way to boost economy is to pay people more , disposable income equals growth , wage cuts equals wallets absolutely slammed shut
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Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests
Reply #25 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 9:14pm

Its time wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 8:30pm:

If they change the rules so the pendulum swings back to the workers then what's the issue ? Best way to boost economy is to pay people more , disposable income equals growth , wage cuts equals wallets absolutely slammed shut

No issue.

Workers are being screwed, and Turnbull and his bunch of inept, corrupt criminals don't even have the decency to use some lube.

We need to change the rules so that the workers regain their rights.

Nobody is asking for everything to favour the workers - they're just asking for a level playing field.

Why would anyone object to that?

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Re: Can Government Deal With 10 Days Of Union Protests
Reply #26 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 9:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 9:14pm:

Its time wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 8:30pm:

If they change the rules so the pendulum swings back to the workers then what's the issue ? Best way to boost economy is to pay people more , disposable income equals growth , wage cuts equals wallets absolutely slammed shut

No issue.

Workers are being screwed, and Turnbull and his bunch of inept, corrupt criminals don't even have the decency to use some lube.

We need to change the rules so that the workers regain their rights.

Nobody is asking for everything to favour the workers - they're just asking for a level playing field.

Why would anyone object to that?

I have no idea why , the best trickle down is consumers spending , this is not happening because people have no confidence in this government to deliver an actual payrise , hence why they could only deliver .4 that's point 4 of 1% I repeat one percent with no GFC , even the mongs that vote libtards have slammmmmmed their wallets shut

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Reply #27 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 9:55pm

If it wasn't for government spending on infrastructure and immigration, we would be in a technical recession right now.

Wages growth has flatlined and the oppressive IR rules are responsible. The circus that's the current government is doing nothing about these problems. They caused the problems, why would they be cleaning up their mess?

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