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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms Reply #15 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 2:01pm Lets at least be honest though lee, this isn't a debate about cheap or expensive electricity is it.
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Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms
Reply #16 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:03pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 5:23am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:47am:

Its time wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 10:34pm:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-biggest-wind-farm-has-been-a...

Have the libtards gone topsy turvy ?

And it will only work if is windy, if the wind doesn't blow then those 500 000 homes will be force to pay for extremely expensive back up power.

Good luck suckers Grin

Nah - it all goes into the grid, which is sourced from a number of different forms of supply - the price is something of an average of the input of all those forms, so when the wind doesn't blow, the price doesn't go up.

You best be careful: i think big ol has a gun!

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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms Reply #17 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:03pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:19pm: Geez australia has heaps of desert to do solar panels . . .. . Spot How much space would you need to power the world?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19807 Gender:	Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms Reply #18 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:05pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 2:01pm: Lets at least be honest though lee, this isn't a debate about cheap or expensive electricity is it. maybe that's where it should be.
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Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms
Reply #19 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:06pm

Bam wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 10:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:47am:

Its time wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 10:34pm:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-biggest-wind-farm-has-been-a...

Have the libtards gone topsy turvy ?

And it will only work if is windy, if the wind doesn't blow then those 500 000 homes will be force to pay for extremely expensive back up power.

Good luck suckers Grin

You have no idea how the electricity market works.

Be Careful: I think big ol' has a gun!

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms Reply #20 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:07pm lee wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:05pm: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 2:01pm: Lets at least be honest though lee, this isn't a debate about cheap or expensive electricity is it. maybe that's where it should be. I agree, but cost or expense isn't just financial
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Reply #21 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:07pm

lee wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:06pm:

From the reference -

"The $643 million Liverpool Range wind farm, between the Cassilis and Coolah, 350km northwest of Sydney, will have 272 turbines generating nearly 1000MW (megawatts) of power, enough to supply nearly 500,000 homes."

"The project is 20km across and 36km from north to south, on 25 different properties near the Coolah Tops National Park."

So 720 Square kilometres. 1000Mw. About 1.4MW/square Kilometre.

That's yuge. Grin

How much area is required to power the world?

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Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms
Reply #22 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:11pm

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 1:30pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 10:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:47am:

Its time wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 10:34pm:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-biggest-wind-farm-has-been-a...

Have the libtards gone topsy turvy ?

And it will only work if is windy, if the wind doesn't blow then those 500 000 homes will be force to pay for extremely expensive back up power.

Good luck suckers Grin

You have no idea how the electricity market works.

The market can't cover up the fact the this is nothing more than intermittent power that will need dedicated back up power that needs to runs constantly in background such as coal or gas, or can quickly be brought on line such as diesel generators (and lots of them).

We have no where near enough 'spare' power floating around the grid that you can just throw in that amount of intermittent power and hope the market will sort it out.

Try to understand electricity before you try and fluff over the problem with a smoke and mirror market dynamic.

Probabilities and predictions are dealt with all the time!

You can only try to sow doubt but we know the markets have already locked in a new paradigm!

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Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms
Reply #23 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:16pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:06pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 10:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:47am:

Its time wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 10:34pm:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-biggest-wind-farm-has-been-a...

Have the libtards gone topsy turvy ?

And it will only work if is windy, if the wind doesn't blow then those 500 000 homes will be force to pay for extremely expensive back up power.

Good luck suckers Grin

You have no idea how the electricity market works.

Be Careful: I think big ol' has a gun!

That is your problem isn't it? You don't think, like an amoeba you just react.

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Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms
Reply #24 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:17pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:07pm:

lee wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 2:01pm:

Lets at least be honest though lee, this isn't a debate about cheap or expensive electricity is it.

maybe that's where it should be.

I agree, but cost or expense isn't just financial

That's true. You need reliability.

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Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms
Reply #25 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:24pm

lee wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:07pm:

lee wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 2:01pm:

Lets at least be honest though lee, this isn't a debate about cheap or expensive electricity is it.

maybe that's where it should be.

I agree, but cost or expense isn't just financial

That's true. You need reliability.

And that is the rub, isn't it?

Unreliable intermittent power is next to worthless.

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Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms
Reply #26 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:31pm

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:06pm:

Bam wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 10:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:47am:

Its time wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 10:34pm:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-biggest-wind-farm-has-been-a...

Have the libtards gone topsy turvy ?

And it will only work if is windy, if the wind doesn't blow then those 500 000 homes will be force to pay for extremely expensive back up power.

Good luck suckers Grin

You have no idea how the electricity market works.

Be Careful: I think big ol' has a gun!

That is your problem isn't it? You don't think, like an amoeba you just react.

You're a wack job buddy Wink

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Reply #27 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:32pm

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:24pm:

lee wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:07pm:

lee wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:05pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 2:01pm:

Lets at least be honest though lee, this isn't a debate about cheap or expensive electricity is it.

maybe that's where it should be.

I agree, but cost or expense isn't just financial

That's true. You need reliability.

And that is the rub, isn't it?

Unreliable intermittent power is next to worthless.

The future is co-generation!

Cheesy

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19807 Gender:	Re: Libtards turn back on coal and build windfarms Reply #28 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 4:38pm TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 3:32pm: The future is co-generation! yea. Have enough baseload power so you don't have to worry about intermittency.
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Reply #29 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 5:25pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:19pm:

Geez australia has heaps of desert to do solar panels . . .. .

Spot

This is somewhat impractical due to the large distance between generation and consumption. Firstly, about 10% of the power that would be generated is lost due to transmission losses. The power lines need to be built and maintained and that adds to the cost.

It's cheaper to have the generation closer to the consumption. Rooftop solar will always be cheaper per unit of energy as long as roof space is available.

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