https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-biggest-wind-farm-has-been-a...

Have the libtards gone topsy turvy ?

Its time wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 10:34pm:



And it will only work if is windy, if the wind doesn't blow then those 500 000 homes will be force to pay for extremely expensive back up power.

Good luck suckers 

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:47am:

You have no idea how the electricity market works.

From the reference -

"The $643 million Liverpool Range wind farm, between the Cassilis and Coolah, 350km northwest of Sydney, will have 272 turbines generating nearly 1000MW (megawatts) of power, enough to supply nearly 500,000 homes."

"The project is 20km across and 36km from north to south, on 25 different properties near the Coolah Tops National Park."

So 720 Square kilometres. 1000Mw. About 1.4MW/square Kilometre.

That's yuge.

lee wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 11:51am:


That's the insider market - not the general market... all such peaks and troughs are calculated into the end price... the PROBLEM is too many suppliers at the end-face demanding massive remuneration, and duplication of service and service infrastructure which did not occur under a single roof government organisation.

Imagine (just as with social security) there are several streams supplying down-river - at certain points down-river there are bought and paid for entitlements to use water (pensions, unemployment etc) -someone decides to build a reservoir to catch the water from all those streams and labels it 'Consolidated Revenue Reservoir'.  The idea is to create one big pool that can cater to all needs.

Under NO circumstances does this alter the entitlement of those who bought and paid downstream to their continued use of water - i.e. Pensions and Unemployment benefits, defence etc, are still sacred...

Now - when it comes to power supply- the comparison changes ....... just downstream of Consolidated Revenue Reservoir a 'government' installs a series of sluice gates, through which the water must pass and offers each gate up for sale ... and gives to each individual operator of a sluice gate the right to charge for that water passing through......

Now THAT, my son - is why the cost of power etc is going through the roof... and not down the stream evenly and equitably...

The reasons for social security suffering include the inclusion of PPL payments and childcare subsidies - which are NOT social security but are bonus payments and are separate streams entirely - yet their inclusion in the Social Security Budget gives the APPEARANCE that the Social Security Budget is unsustainable....

A little honesty on the part of governments would go a long way.... if they were honest they would establish these bonus payments under a different or separate roof - so as to avoid ideological entanglement and opportunity for false propaganda about Social Security, and use that to play the politics of division by creating an inter-generational war.

Apply the same to power... as required....

Take this as a warning NOT to consider privatisation of Social Security....

Bam wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 10:35am:



The market can't cover up the fact the this is nothing more than intermittent power that will need dedicated back up power that needs to runs constantly in background such as coal or gas, or can quickly be brought on line such as diesel generators (and lots of them).

We have no where near enough 'spare' power floating around the grid that you can just throw in that amount of intermittent power and hope the market will sort it out.


Try to understand electricity before you try and fluff over the problem with a smoke and mirror market dynamic.

juliar wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 1:24pm:


It's in NSW , der 

The closure of Hazelwood has put added pressure on what's available. Hazelwood was providing low cost electricity.

Now that has gone the power must come from elsewhere.

"The question of what replaces Hazelwood brings us to prices. Many, including AEMO, expect to see increased generation from currently underused power plants. These include New South Wales’ black coal power plants. Last year NSW’s black coal was used at 56% of its total capacity. Bumping up these stations’ output would also reduce NSW’s reliance on Victorian exports.

Reducing the capacity of brown coal will mean logically that Victoria relies on more expensive forms of generation such as black coal or gas. This is particularly so if the availability of cheap imports is limited, and more expensive local generation such as gas is needed.

Black coal power stations generate electricity comparatively cheaply. Even so electricity prices are already so high that an increase in black coal generation may not have a dramatic impact on prices. With NSW prices averaging A$137 per megawatt hour this year, it is clear that the cost of coal is not determining electricity prices."

https://theconversation.com/hazelwood-closure-what-it-means-for-electricity-pric...

That of course is before the planned closure of Liddell, which is slated to be replaced by more intermittents.