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Mar 31st, 2018 at 7:05am
 
Falling renewable costs 'chilling' for fossil fuels   Smiley

Canberra Times
March 30 2018 - 10:40PM

The rapidly falling cost of renewable energy and batteries is "chilling" for the future of the fossil fuels sector, raising doubts about the viability of new coal power stations.

A Bloomberg New Energy Finance report has found the price of renewables has fallen by almost a fifth over the last year, with wind and solar generators becoming cheaper than both coal and gas-fired power stations.

Elena Giannakopoulou, head of energy economics at BNEF, said the rapidly falling cost of renewable generation and battery power is changing the game for the electricity sector.

"The conclusions are chilling for the fossil fuel sector," she said.

The cost of electricity supplied by lithium-ion batteries, like the Tesla installation in South Australia, has fallen nearly 80 per cent, from $US1000 ($1308) a kilowatt hour in 2010 to only $US209 a kilowatt hour in 2017.

Wind and solar are proving cheaper because their cost of electricity has fallen significantly, while that for coal, gas, nuclear and large hydro projects has only slightly decreased.

"We are seeing record-low prices being set for wind and solar, and then those records being broken again and again on a regular basis. This is having a powerful effect – it is changing perceptions," BNEF head of Europe, the Middle East and Africa, Seb Henbest, said

BNEF said Australia had one of the world's lowest levelised cost of electricity for onshore wind and solar.

The Australian National University forecast future prices of new renewable energy generators would fall to $50 a megawatt hour in the 2020s.

The ASX forward prices for NSW between the 2020 March quarter and 2021 December quarter run to an average of $75.73 a megawatt hour for coal-fired power.

Globally, the levelised cost of electricity for wind farms was $US55 per megawatt hour for the first half of 2018, down 18 per cent from the same time last year, while solar power has also fallen 18 per cent to $US70 per megawatt hour. Only offshore wind generation failed to fall significantly, dipping 5 per cent in costs year on year

EY believes Australian renewable energy will cost the same or be cheaper than fossil fuels as soon as 2020.

This parity is forecast to happen as the Renewable Energy Target - a government scheme designed to support building renewable generation like wind and solar - comes to an end.

However, Ms Giannakopoulou said despite the rapidly falling costs of renewables it does not spell the end for fossil fuels.

"Some existing coal and gas power stations, with sunk capital costs, will continue to have a role for many years, doing a combination of bulk generation and balancing, as wind and solar penetration increase," she said.

"But the economic case for building new coal and gas capacity is crumbling, as batteries start to encroach on the flexibility and peaking revenues enjoyed by fossil fuel plants."

Australia has been putting wind and solar through its paces to see if it can provide both more stable, instantly available energy to the grid, overcoming the issues of how to generate electricity when the wind isn't blowing and the sun doesn't shine.

The government recently announced new trials to improve the accuracy of the renewable systems’ self-forecasting ability, which allows them to predict the weather in their immediate area and know how much electricity they can provide into the grid, ensuring there is no sudden shortfall when the weather changes.

There are also trials to use wind farm-generated electricity to provide power that smooths out demand and supply to make sure it is balanced.

Neoen Australia’s South Australian Hornsdale 2 wind farm also carried out trials providing intermittent energy into electricity markets under a wide range of operating conditions, saving the market about $3.1 million due to the lower cost of energy
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Reply #1 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 9:10am
 
Good find Whiteknight.

I applaud all renewable energy ideas.
In 2018 we should be able to do better than burning stinking coal.
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Reply #2 - Mar 31st, 2018 at 1:01pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 7:05am:
A Bloomberg New Energy Finance report has found the price of renewables has fallen by almost a fifth over the last year, with wind and solar generators becoming cheaper than both coal and gas-fired power stations.



Now if only the could generate power when needed.

And then of course build them so they use a smaller footprint.

"This study examines power plant performance at elevated demand requirements during the explosive cyclogenesis cold weather event, now known as the “Bomb Cyclone (BC),  ” the winter storm that highlighted a period of deep freeze blanketing much of the eastern half of the United States from December 27, 2017, through January 8, 2018.
Fossil fuels, particularly coal, responded to the system’s needs during this event (Exhibit ES-1 )

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page 11 of the pdf.

Cost is merely one parameter.
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Reply #3 - Apr 2nd, 2018 at 12:38am
 
If only this can translate into falling petrol prices.
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whiteknight wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 7:05am:
Falling renewable costs 'chilling' for fossil fuels   Smiley

Canberra Times
March 30 2018 - 10:40PM

The rapidly falling cost of renewable energy and batteries is "chilling" for the future of the fossil fuels sector, raising doubts about the viability of new coal power stations.

"The conclusions are chilling for the fossil fuel sector," she said.

The cost of electricity supplied by lithium-ion batteries, like the Tesla installation in South Australia, has fallen nearly 80 per cent, from $US1000 ($1308) a kilowatt hour in 2010 to only $US209 a kilowatt hour in 2017.

Wind and solar are proving cheaper because their cost of electricity has fallen significantly, while that for coal, gas, nuclear and large hydro projects has only slightly decreased.




So that SA Tesla battery cost $100 million, and it provide one single hour of electricity to on 30 000 household at the cost stated above.


Multiply $100 million by at least 12 and you get a night's worth of power. = $1.2 billion

Now there are 9 million households in Australia, so multiple $1.2 bill by 300. = 360 billion dollars

Or about one third of Australia's GDP


And that does not include industry or commercial needs.


Nor does it include the hundreds of billions of dollars needed to build the massive solar farms need to run and charge everything.


I doubt anyone in the real world is too worried about how 'cheap' renewables are.



In the words of the great Daryl Kerrigan, "Tell them they're dreamin".  Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Reply #5 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:12pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2018 at 8:14pm:
whiteknight wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 7:05am:
Falling renewable costs 'chilling' for fossil fuels   Smiley

Canberra Times
March 30 2018 - 10:40PM

The rapidly falling cost of renewable energy and batteries is "chilling" for the future of the fossil fuels sector, raising doubts about the viability of new coal power stations.

"The conclusions are chilling for the fossil fuel sector," she said.

The cost of electricity supplied by lithium-ion batteries, like the Tesla installation in South Australia, has fallen nearly 80 per cent, from $US1000 ($1308) a kilowatt hour in 2010 to only $US209 a kilowatt hour in 2017.

Wind and solar are proving cheaper because their cost of electricity has fallen significantly, while that for coal, gas, nuclear and large hydro projects has only slightly decreased.




So that SA Tesla battery cost $100 million, and it provide one single hour of electricity to on 30 000 household at the cost stated above.


Multiply $100 million by at least 12 and you get a night's worth of power. = $1.2 billion

Now there are 9 million households in Australia, so multiple $1.2 bill by 300. = 360 billion dollars

Or about one third of Australia's GDP


And that does not include industry or commercial needs.


Nor does it include the hundreds of billions of dollars needed to build the massive solar farms need to run and charge everything.


I doubt anyone in the real world is too worried about how 'cheap' renewables are.



In the words of the great Daryl Kerrigan, "Tell them they're dreamin".  Grin Grin Grin Grin



Big ol does what for a living?


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A growing number of US cities and states have proposed or even passed legislation that would require producing all electricity from renewable energy sources like solar and wind within a few decades.

That might sound like a great idea. But a growing body of evidence shows it’s not.

It increasingly appears that insisting on 100 percent renewable sources—and disdaining others that don’t produce greenhouse gases, such as nuclear power and fossil-fuel plants with carbon-capture technology—is wastefully expensive and needlessly difficult.

In the latest piece of evidence, a study published in Energy & Environmental Science determined that solar and wind energy alone could reliably meet about 80 percent of recent US annual electricity demand, but massive investments in energy storage and transmission would be needed to avoid major blackouts. Pushing to meet 100 percent of demand with these resources would require building a huge number of additional wind and solar farms—or expanding electricity storage to an extent that would be prohibitively expensive at current prices. Or some of both.

The basic problem is that the sun doesn’t always shine and the wind doesn’t always blow. The study analyzed 36 years’ worth of hourly weather data and found there are gaps in renewable-energy production even on a continental scale.

Relying on these intermittent sources alone would requiring building many more solar and wind farms to produce excess energy during particularly sunny and windy periods, plus huge storage systems that can bank hours’ or even weeks’ worth of power (see “Serial Battery Entrepreneur’s New Venture Tackles Clean Energy’s Biggest Problem”). Another possibility is to build long-distance transmission routes that could ship the electricity around the country at just the moment it’s needed.

Storage systems are incredibly expensive in the case of batteries—and geographically limited in the case of pumped hydroelectric, which requires a set of water reservoirs at varying heights (see “Why Bad Things Happen to Clean-Energy Startups”). Long-distance transmission lines are also pricey and can take decades to get approved and built (see “How to Get Wyoming Wind to California, and Cut 80% of US Carbon Emissions”).

Just getting to 80 percent of demand reliably with only wind and solar would require either a US-wide high-speed transmission system or 12 hours of electricity storage. A storage system of that size across the US would cost more than $2.5 trillion for a battery system.
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To meet all the nation’s annual electricity needs with 99.97 percent reliability, utilities would have to build 12 hours of storage plus at least twice the amount of renewable-energy generation, the study found. Or businesses could deploy slightly more wind and solar coupled with more than a month’s worth of storage.


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So are you suggesting not using renewables?
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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:23pm:
So are you suggesting not using renewables?

Nope. But you can make your own mind up about its problems.

There needs to be a mix. And if you can't have coal and you can't have nuclear; you can't have reliable power.
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lee wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:23pm:
So are you suggesting not using renewables?

Nope. But you can make your own mind up about its problems.

There needs to be a mix. And if you can't have coal and you can't have nuclear; you can't have reliable power.




AT the moment, anyway.
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 31st, 2018 at 9:10am:
Good find Whiteknight.

I applaud all renewable energy ideas.
In 2018 we should be able to do better than burning stinking coal.


Unfortunately the falling  resources market will not help the environment. All this means is we can expect more power stations in India  Brazil, Pakistan and the countries of west Africa.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:30pm:
lee wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:23pm:
So are you suggesting not using renewables?

Nope. But you can make your own mind up about its problems.

There needs to be a mix. And if you can't have coal and you can't have nuclear; you can't have reliable power.




AT the moment, anyway.


How do you see it changing in future?

Better batteries? They are an old technology. There will only be incremental increases.
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Reply #12 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 3:10pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 3:09pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:30pm:
lee wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:23pm:
So are you suggesting not using renewables?

Nope. But you can make your own mind up about its problems.

There needs to be a mix. And if you can't have coal and you can't have nuclear; you can't have reliable power.




AT the moment, anyway.


How do you see it changing in future?

Better batteries? They are an old technology. There will only be incremental increases.


Isnt there something about salt? Also, increases in solar cell efficiency are possible.
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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #13 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 3:26pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 3:10pm:
lee wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 3:09pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:30pm:
lee wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:23pm:
So are you suggesting not using renewables?

Nope. But you can make your own mind up about its problems.

There needs to be a mix. And if you can't have coal and you can't have nuclear; you can't have reliable power.




AT the moment, anyway.


How do you see it changing in future?

Better batteries? They are an old technology. There will only be incremental increases.


Isnt there something about salt? Also, increases in solar cell efficiency are possible.

--> lee has no brains!
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Reply #14 - Apr 3rd, 2018 at 3:27pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 3:09pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:30pm:
lee wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 3rd, 2018 at 2:23pm:
So are you suggesting not using renewables?

Nope. But you can make your own mind up about its problems.

There needs to be a mix. And if you can't have coal and you can't have nuclear; you can't have reliable power.




AT the moment, anyway.


How do you see it changing in future?

Better batteries? They are an old technology. There will only be incremental increases.

lee doesn't even know what incremental means  Cheesy
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