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Re: Uber's D/less car kills
Reply #30 - Mar 24^th, 2018 at 1:23pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 9:33am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 8:50am:

You won't catch me in a driverless car. Bad enough with drivers at the wheel.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:39pm:

We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars.

Driverless cars don't have to be perfect. They just have to be better than human drivers.

The Australian annual road toll is currently 1,200 people. This is down from over 3,500 people in the 70s (when there were much fewer cars on the road).

If driverless cars could reduce the road toll to say 500 per annum then surely this would be a sound argument for their use.

How does anyone know it will work that way? Why exactly would driverless cars reduce the road toll?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39472 Gender:	Re: Uber's D/less car kills Reply #31 - Mar 24^th, 2018 at 3:16pm The things can't even stay inside a speed limit!
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 53070 Gender:	Re: Uber's D/less car kills Reply #32 - Mar 24^th, 2018 at 3:31pm Personally, I say that every 'city' person has to have their vehicle 'registered' to be surrounded by heavy Rubber like a 'Bumper Car'. Oh what 'fun' it would be driving in the city again!
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Re: Uber's D/less car kills
Reply #33 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 9:48am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 1:23pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 9:33am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 8:50am:

You won't catch me in a driverless car. Bad enough with drivers at the wheel.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:39pm:

We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars.

Driverless cars don't have to be perfect. They just have to be better than human drivers.

The Australian annual road toll is currently 1,200 people. This is down from over 3,500 people in the 70s (when there were much fewer cars on the road).

If driverless cars could reduce the road toll to say 500 per annum then surely this would be a sound argument for their use.

How does anyone know it will work that way? Why exactly would driverless cars reduce the road toll?

they know because after a fatal crash of a Telsa in autopilot mode the US Federal Highway bureau did a study where they not only absolved tesla of the blame for the crash, but concluded that cars running in autopilot were 40% safer than those where a human was in command.

http://bgr.com/2017/01/19/tesla-autopilot-crash-safety-statistics-report-nhtsa/

Essentially, automated driving will impact vehicle safety the same way that the introduction of seat belts did. Anyone who thinks that governments will baulk at automation in the face of those kinds of figures is kidding themselves.

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Re: Uber's D/less car kills
Reply #34 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 9:59am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 8:55am:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:39pm:

With the advent of satellite navigation in the late 1970s, and GPS for the US military a little later, there was a rush to embrace an electronic navy, so complete that the US naval acadamy at Annapolis stopped teaching real navigation where the navigator figures out where he is. It was considered obsolete. In 1998, Annapolis started teaching celestial navigation, and chart plotting again. The navy came to the conclusion that it was conceivable that GPS could be shut down.

We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars. Its not that they will not be useful, its just that, like the Victorians with their steam and coal, we are intoxicated with our technological prowess. But what are we going to forget along the way: How to parallel-park? How to do long-division? How to write legibly? How to do anything during a power-cut? I cannot use my telephone if the power goes out. The US Navy recognises the potential for disaster from relying entirely on electronics and vastly complex micro-technologies.

Yeah - the US Air Force figured guns on fighters were obsolete, too, until they tangled with MiGs over Vietnam... now every US fighter has guns.

That was because missiles in those days were primitive and required you to be within very strict flight parameters to fire at an enemy. there were also visual engagement rules operating in Vietnam.

Missiles these days don't have those problems, and can be fired in almost any aspect including head-on. Indeed, missiles are so good now that the USAF is seriously looking at using B-52s to carry massive payloads of air-to-air missiles which would be controlled and fired via links to stealth fighters like the F22 and F35 flying ahead of them.

They'll keep cannons for some time, but only as weapons of absolute last resort.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39472 Gender:	Re: Uber's D/less car kills Reply #35 - Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:21pm Looks like Uber has been lying yet again. Remember the very dark scene of this incident when the dash cam video was first released? Now have another look at the truth. Videos in the Article: Link.
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Re: Uber's D/less car kills
Reply #36 - Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:46pm

Just thought i'd let you know that Grab has bought out Uber in Sth East Asia Wink

Grab is kicking goals !!. The fares are unreal and people who didn't have a job before can be their own boss. Even lawyers and Doctors are doing Grab part-time on the side because their jobs are sh.t and they need more excitement. No need for driverless cars at these rates Wink

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Reply #37 - Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:52pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:46pm:

Just thought i'd let you know that Grab has bought out Uber in Sth East Asia Wink

Grab is kicking goals !!. The fares are unreal and people who didn't have a job before can be their own boss. Even lawyers and Doctors are doing Grab part-time on the side because their jobs are sh.t and they need more excitement. No need for driverless cars at these rates Wink

Grab, Goober, Lyft.....all business models with short term impact because they are cheap (hence the model fails) long term losses and no future.....without driverless cars

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Re: Uber's D/less car kills
Reply #39 - Mar 27^th, 2018 at 11:23am

Aussie wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:46pm:

Just thought i'd let you know that Grab has bought out Uber in Sth East Asia Wink

Grab is kicking goals !!. The fares are unreal and people who didn't have a job before can be their own boss. Even lawyers and Doctors are doing Grab part-time on the side because their jobs are sh.t and they need more excitement. No need for driverless cars at these rates Wink

Grab, Goober, Lyft.....all business models with short term impact because they are cheap (hence the model fails) long term losses and no future.....without driverless cars

Wishful thinking. Grab has literally decimated the Taxi industry in Malaysia overnight. I have seen it with my own eyes. Taxi drivers waiting for fares whilst late model cars roll up to take people away for a fraction of the price that taxis were charging. This business model will never fail. Grab has thought this through and it's very clever which is why it has gained popularity. Not only that it's the same fare no matter how many passengers !!

Grab owns no cars and the drivers are taking most of the risk whilst Grab takes a 20% cut of each fare. It's money for old rope and Grab is laughing all of the way to the bank. Who cares about driverless cars when you can utilize a pool of drivers and cars you don't have to pay for !!

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Re: Uber's D/less car kills
Reply #40 - Mar 27^th, 2018 at 11:36am

Aussie wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 2:46pm:

Just thought i'd let you know that Grab has bought out Uber in Sth East Asia Wink

Grab is kicking goals !!. The fares are unreal and people who didn't have a job before can be their own boss. Even lawyers and Doctors are doing Grab part-time on the side because their jobs are sh.t and they need more excitement. No need for driverless cars at these rates Wink

Grab, Goober, Lyft.....all business models with short term impact because they are cheap (hence the model fails) long term losses and no future.....without driverless cars

Ride share is cheaper than taxis because they're not paying some rent seeker $400k for the plate. Even if you include insurance, fitout and all the other things that are included in the running cost of a cab - the ride-share model always comes out cheaper.

The taxi industry in its current form is dying, and that's before driverless comes onto the scene and kills it stone cold dead.

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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16170 Central Coast Gender:	Re: Uber's D/less car kills Reply #41 - Mar 27^th, 2018 at 4:47pm I'd be interested to know how a driverless vehicle would navigate while towing my boat? And getting the boat down the boat ramp and recovering it again would also be quite interesting. But from the way some vegitable attempt to launch and retrieve their boats, it couldn't be much worse.
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Re: Uber's D/less car kills
Reply #42 - Mar 27^th, 2018 at 6:12pm

Valkie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2018 at 4:47pm:

I'd be interested to know how a driverless vehicle would navigate while towing my boat?

And getting the boat down the boat ramp and recovering it again would also be quite interesting.

But from the way some vegitable attempt to launch and retrieve their boats, it couldn't be much worse.

Ita fairly common for modern cars to have anti-sway control for when towing, which while not driverless is essentially the cars computer controlling the car to stop a trailer from swaying about and causing loss of control.

It's not much of a jump from there to driverless with those features enabled.

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Re: Uber's D/less car kills
Reply #43 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 11:13am

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 3:45pm:

Think I will stick with my local Elite Cabs that owners have paid good money for not some shonkey mob!

It cost us $140 AUD to take three people to Melbourne airport in a minibus. That is equivalent to RM 450 in malaysian dollars. All 30 grab trips we took in Malaysia didn't even come to half that amount !!

You stick to your elite cab. You are being ripped off blind by a system that is used to ripping everyone off.

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Re: Uber's D/less car kills
Reply #44 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 11:18am

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 11:13am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 26^th, 2018 at 3:45pm:

Think I will stick with my local Elite Cabs that owners have paid good money for not some shonkey mob!

It cost us $140 AUD to take three people to Melbourne airport in a minibus. That is equivalent to RM 450 in malaysian dollars. All 30 grab trips we took in Malaysia didn't even come to half that amount !!

You stick to your elite cab. You are being ripped off blind by a system that is used to ripping everyone off.

And the cost of a chicken curry there compared to the cost of one here is.......?????

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