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Re: Uber's D/less car kills
Reply #15 - Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 7:00am

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:36pm:

'Driverless' Goober car in autonomous mode exceeding the speed limit. Gawd, if they can't get that right......?????

Well, they certainly haven't perfected the U-turn across double lines without indicating whilst talking on a mobile to pick up a fare in a no stopping zone. Replicating a true taxi takes time.

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Reply #16 - Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 8:35am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:11am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:02am:

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A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles.

Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time).

The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said.

The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital.

So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs.

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Surely by 'getting rid of actual drivers', they'll be 'getting rid of actual cars'...........Uber drivers use their own vehicles, isn't that the whole concept of the Uber business?

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Reply #17 - Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 10:27am

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:36pm:

Report in today's Courier Mail says that the Car, in self drive mode, was speeding and that the supervising human had a serious criminal record, and seemed very inattentive, looking down and out the window...saw the pedestrian too late.

'Driverless' Goober car in autonomous mode exceeding the speed limit. Gawd, if they can't get that right......?????

I'll chase a link.

I'm not sure if that is true. I haven't seen that reported anywhere.

They have reported however that the accident would have been difficult to avoid even if a human was driving

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Tempe Police Chief Sylvia Moir saying: "It's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode [autonomous or human-driven] based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway…. I suspect preliminarily it appears that the Uber would likely not be at fault in this accident, either."
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-uber-death-video-20180321-story.html

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Reply #19 - Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 11:03am

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 10:27am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:36pm:

Report in today's Courier Mail says that the Car, in self drive mode, was speeding and that the supervising human had a serious criminal record, and seemed very inattentive, looking down and out the window...saw the pedestrian too late.

'Driverless' Goober car in autonomous mode exceeding the speed limit. Gawd, if they can't get that right......?????

I'll chase a link.

I'm not sure if that is true. I haven't seen that reported anywhere.

They have reported however that the accident would have been difficult to avoid even if a human was driving

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Tempe Police Chief Sylvia Moir saying: "It's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode [autonomous or human-driven] based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway…. I suspect preliminarily it appears that the Uber would likely not be at fault in this accident, either."
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-uber-death-video-20180321-story.html

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Reply #21 - Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:39pm

With the advent of satellite navigation in the late 1970s, and GPS for the US military a little later, there was a rush to embrace an electronic navy, so complete that the US naval acadamy at Annapolis stopped teaching real navigation where the navigator figures out where he is. It was considered obsolete. In 1998, Annapolis started teaching celestial navigation, and chart plotting again. The navy came to the conclusion that it was conceivable that GPS could be shut down.

We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars. Its not that they will not be useful, its just that, like the Victorians with their steam and coal, we are intoxicated with our technological prowess. But what are we going to forget along the way: How to parallel-park? How to do long-division? How to write legibly? How to do anything during a power-cut? I cannot use my telephone if the power goes out. The US Navy recognises the potential for disaster from relying entirely on electronics and vastly complex micro-technologies.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88828 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Uber's D/less car kills Reply #23 - Mar 24^th, 2018 at 8:50am You won't catch me in a driverless car. Bad enough with drivers at the wheel.
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Reply #24 - Mar 24^th, 2018 at 8:55am

issuevoter wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:39pm:

With the advent of satellite navigation in the late 1970s, and GPS for the US military a little later, there was a rush to embrace an electronic navy, so complete that the US naval acadamy at Annapolis stopped teaching real navigation where the navigator figures out where he is. It was considered obsolete. In 1998, Annapolis started teaching celestial navigation, and chart plotting again. The navy came to the conclusion that it was conceivable that GPS could be shut down.

We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars. Its not that they will not be useful, its just that, like the Victorians with their steam and coal, we are intoxicated with our technological prowess. But what are we going to forget along the way: How to parallel-park? How to do long-division? How to write legibly? How to do anything during a power-cut? I cannot use my telephone if the power goes out. The US Navy recognises the potential for disaster from relying entirely on electronics and vastly complex micro-technologies.

Yeah - the US Air Force figured guns on fighters were obsolete, too, until they tangled with MiGs over Vietnam... now every US fighter has guns.

Stupid is as stupid does - WHEN the magic system breaks down how are these Navy boys going to navigate? By Braille? Oops - there's another rock.... back up ... oops.... a headland!.. damn.... try going sideways.... ummm.... buggar .... why is that harbour boat telling us to get out of Shanghai? Aren't we in San Diego? Tell 'em the US Navy backs down to nobody... oh.. he says there's a huge rock shelf ten feet in front of us.... ouch....

On the subject of everything automatic:-

They'd need to install cranes at every parking spot to get Fat Steve out of his vehicle for his daily intake of fifty Macca's products....

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Reply #25 - Mar 24^th, 2018 at 9:11am

Aussie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:02am:

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A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles.

Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time).

The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said.

The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital.

I don't use the autopark there is no way I would let some computer drive me down the freeway at 100klm/h during peak hour well its peak hour most hours of the day these days.

Sad about the woman.

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Reply #26 - Mar 24^th, 2018 at 9:33am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 8:50am:

You won't catch me in a driverless car. Bad enough with drivers at the wheel.

issuevoter wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:39pm:

We cannot even get air bags to work properly, so you can see the vulnerability of driverless cars.

Driverless cars don't have to be perfect. They just have to be better than human drivers.

The Australian annual road toll is currently 1,200 people. This is down from over 3,500 people in the 70s (when there were much fewer cars on the road).

If driverless cars could reduce the road toll to say 500 per annum then surely this would be a sound argument for their use.

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Reply #27 - Mar 24^th, 2018 at 9:55am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 10:50am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 10:42am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:11am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:02am:

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A woman is believed to have become the first pedestrian killed by a self-driving car, prompting Uber to suspend testing of its autonomous vehicles.

Police in a Phoenix suburb said a self-driving vehicle struck and killed the woman overnight Sunday (local time).

The vehicle was in autonomous mode with an operator behind the wheel when the accident occurred, Tempe police Sergeant Ronald Elcock said.

The woman, 49-year-old Elaine Herzberg, died of her injuries at a hospital.

So uber wants to get rid of the actual drivers? That will bugger up a lot of jobs.

Spot

In Malaysia Grab has taken off in a big way and is overtaking Uber. Everyone with a late model car is jumping on the bandwagon and is either doing it full time or part time to supplement their income. The fares are dirt cheap, I mean really dirt cheap and it makes no different if it is one passenger or four passengers, it's the same price. 9RM gets you a fare into the city or about 10km's. That's equivalent of $3 AUD !! Lots of people who didn't have a job now have a job and it's basically decimated the taxi industry. Hardly a taxi in sight now !!

There have been a lot of women sexually and physically assaulted in Grab Cabs.

That would have been by the Filipino trailer trash they have so much trouble with over here. We have had quite a few female Grab drivers and one said she would not do it at night because of the drunken Filipinos Sad

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Reply #28 - Mar 24^th, 2018 at 10:29am

Irrespective of whether you like the automated functions, or use them in your car and irrespective of whether you agree with the Uber economic model, most of you who drive, will be on the road with automated, driverless vehicles in the near future.

This has implications. Where, for example is blame ascribed when accidents occur between a driver controlled and an automated car? What will this do to insurance claims, premiums and ratings?

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Nom de Plume Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 676	Re: Uber's D/less car kills Reply #29 - Mar 24^th, 2018 at 11:05am Should the disabled, who currently don't drive due to their conditions, be allowed to use an automated car? If yes, how should that car be licenced?
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