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Reply #240 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:03am:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 11:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Greg, can you see a qualitative difference between torturing someone to death for offending the dominant religious sensibilities and, say, a lethal injection for committing multiple murders?

I can't see any reason for anyone to use capital or corporal punishment on prisoners.

Can you?

Plenty.

For starters, it recognises the ethical and social equality and autonomy of the offender. It treats them as fully formed and responsible human beings, rather than deformed, inferior creatures who could never take full responsibility for what they do. A very important aspect of the justice system is to apportion responsibility and afford dignity. Excusing criminals as not responsible degrades them and degrading them like that robs them of their dignity that comes with responsibility. For responsibility is the root of dignity, not entitlements or rights.

So, why is your way of killing prisoners any better than Aceh's?

I'm curious.

Execution for wilful premeditated murder beyond any doubt is just, whether here or elsewhere.

Execution for incorrect beliefs, apostasy, political opposition is wrong, also everywhere, because religious or political orthodoxy is a completely contingent and arbitrary.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #241 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:47pm I don't think Greg will be able to tell the difference.
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Reply #242 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 9:18pm

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:47pm:

I don't think Greg will be able to tell the difference.

That's true, FD, but now I'm curious.

Can you tell the difference between a proposed law someone just made up and one of those real laws passed into, you know, actual law?

Please tell us when you're ready. I have another question when you refuse to answer this one.

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Reply #243 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 9:22pm

Frank wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:03am:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 11:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Greg, can you see a qualitative difference between torturing someone to death for offending the dominant religious sensibilities and, say, a lethal injection for committing multiple murders?

I can't see any reason for anyone to use capital or corporal punishment on prisoners.

Can you?

Plenty.

For starters, it recognises the ethical and social equality and autonomy of the offender. It treats them as fully formed and responsible human beings, rather than deformed, inferior creatures who could never take full responsibility for what they do. A very important aspect of the justice system is to apportion responsibility and afford dignity. Excusing criminals as not responsible degrades them and degrading them like that robs them of their dignity that comes with responsibility. For responsibility is the root of dignity, not entitlements or rights.

So, why is your way of killing prisoners any better than Aceh's?

I'm curious.

Execution for wilful premeditated murder beyond any doubt is just, whether here or elsewhere.

Execution for incorrect beliefs, apostasy, political opposition is wrong, also everywhere, because religious or political orthodoxy is a completely contingent and arbitrary.

Oo-er, who's been getting stuck into the Danish constitution?

If you wanted some bedside reading, dear boy, you really should have said.

I have the Scout Handbook right here.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #244 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 9:36am

Frank wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:03am:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 11:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Greg, can you see a qualitative difference between torturing someone to death for offending the dominant religious sensibilities and, say, a lethal injection for committing multiple murders?

I can't see any reason for anyone to use capital or corporal punishment on prisoners.

Can you?

Plenty.

For starters, it recognises the ethical and social equality and autonomy of the offender. It treats them as fully formed and responsible human beings, rather than deformed, inferior creatures who could never take full responsibility for what they do. A very important aspect of the justice system is to apportion responsibility and afford dignity. Excusing criminals as not responsible degrades them and degrading them like that robs them of their dignity that comes with responsibility. For responsibility is the root of dignity, not entitlements or rights.

So, why is your way of killing prisoners any better than Aceh's?

I'm curious.

Execution for wilful premeditated murder beyond any doubt is just, whether here or elsewhere.

Execution for incorrect beliefs, apostasy, political opposition is wrong, also everywhere, because religious or political orthodoxy is a completely contingent and arbitrary.

First, that's merely your subjective opinion.

Secondly, I asked about your "way" of killing prisoners, not your reason.

So, why is hanging or lethal injection any better than beheading?

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Reply #245 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 10:02am

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 11:00am:

freediver wrote on Mar 19^th, 2018 at 8:21pm:

Don't worry apologists. It will only apply to murderers. Not gays, apostates, adulterers or free thinkers. That will be at least another 6 months.

There are several forum members here who have said that asylum seekers should be executed.

In fact, executed before any sort of trial or court appearance.

Ignoring for the moment that asylum seekers aren't actually criminals, how is that any better than executing gays or adulterers?

I'm curious.

Wow. I was very optimistic wasn't I? I was expecting six months till they introduced the death penalty for people who had not actually committed a crime. What was it? A few weeks? And still the apologists cannot see it coming.

Well FD, that one flew through to the keeper without your getting it at all.

They were talking about members of this forum, the extreme loonies that wish to kill muslims, rather than let them set foot on our blessed soil.
They weren't talking about the mad mullahs of Aceh.
The sad fact is that while they recognise the repugnance and insanity of fellow forum members spouting threats of murder for idiotic reasons, they do not recognise the repugnance of at least equally crazy mullahs, having the REAL POWER to actually have people killed, by a bit of the old head chopping.
Strange dichotomy at work in their brains too it seems.

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Reply #246 - Apr 6^th, 2018 at 10:31am

mozzaok wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 10:02am:

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 11:00am:

freediver wrote on Mar 19^th, 2018 at 8:21pm:

Don't worry apologists. It will only apply to murderers. Not gays, apostates, adulterers or free thinkers. That will be at least another 6 months.

There are several forum members here who have said that asylum seekers should be executed.

In fact, executed before any sort of trial or court appearance.

Ignoring for the moment that asylum seekers aren't actually criminals, how is that any better than executing gays or adulterers?

I'm curious.

Wow. I was very optimistic wasn't I? I was expecting six months till they introduced the death penalty for people who had not actually committed a crime. What was it? A few weeks? And still the apologists cannot see it coming.

Well FD, that one flew through to the keeper without your getting it at all.

They were talking about members of this forum, the extreme loonies that wish to kill muslims, rather than let them set foot on our blessed soil.
They weren't talking about the mad mullahs of Aceh.
The sad fact is that while they recognise the repugnance and insanity of fellow forum members spouting threats of murder for idiotic reasons, they do not recognise the repugnance of at least equally crazy mullahs, having the REAL POWER to actually have people killed, by a bit of the old head chopping.
Strange dichotomy at work in their brains too it seems.

The premeditated execution of murderers is every bit as bad as the premeditated execution of homosexuals.

That is, nobody should have the right to take another person's life that way, no matter what they might have done.

No court, no religion, no group, no individual.

So, to be hung up (pardon the pun) on the method of execution is just ludicrous.

Beheading, hanging, lethal injection - all as bad as each other.

All humans involved in premeditated executions (whether they be Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Scientologists, or atheists) - all as bad as each other.

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Reply #247 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 9:36am:

Frank wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:03am:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 11:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Greg, can you see a qualitative difference between torturing someone to death for offending the dominant religious sensibilities and, say, a lethal injection for committing multiple murders?

I can't see any reason for anyone to use capital or corporal punishment on prisoners.

Can you?

Plenty.

For starters, it recognises the ethical and social equality and autonomy of the offender. It treats them as fully formed and responsible human beings, rather than deformed, inferior creatures who could never take full responsibility for what they do. A very important aspect of the justice system is to apportion responsibility and afford dignity. Excusing criminals as not responsible degrades them and degrading them like that robs them of their dignity that comes with responsibility. For responsibility is the root of dignity, not entitlements or rights.

So, why is your way of killing prisoners any better than Aceh's?

I'm curious.

Execution for wilful premeditated murder beyond any doubt is just, whether here or elsewhere.

Execution for incorrect beliefs, apostasy, political opposition is wrong, also everywhere, because religious or political orthodoxy is a completely contingent and arbitrary.

First, that's merely your subjective opinion.

Secondly, I asked about your "way" of killing prisoners, not your reason.

So, why is hanging or lethal injection any better than beheading?

You slithered around, Turd.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #248 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:43pm

Frank wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 2:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2018 at 9:36am:

Frank wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 8:03am:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 11:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:

Greg, can you see a qualitative difference between torturing someone to death for offending the dominant religious sensibilities and, say, a lethal injection for committing multiple murders?

I can't see any reason for anyone to use capital or corporal punishment on prisoners.

Can you?

Plenty.

For starters, it recognises the ethical and social equality and autonomy of the offender. It treats them as fully formed and responsible human beings, rather than deformed, inferior creatures who could never take full responsibility for what they do. A very important aspect of the justice system is to apportion responsibility and afford dignity. Excusing criminals as not responsible degrades them and degrading them like that robs them of their dignity that comes with responsibility. For responsibility is the root of dignity, not entitlements or rights.

So, why is your way of killing prisoners any better than Aceh's?

I'm curious.

Execution for wilful premeditated murder beyond any doubt is just, whether here or elsewhere.

Execution for incorrect beliefs, apostasy, political opposition is wrong, also everywhere, because religious or political orthodoxy is a completely contingent and arbitrary.

First, that's merely your subjective opinion.

Secondly, I asked about your "way" of killing prisoners, not your reason.

So, why is hanging or lethal injection any better than beheading?

You slithered around, Turd.

So, why is hanging or lethal injection any better than beheading?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #249 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 6:47pm Quote: Secondly, I asked about your "way" of killing prisoners, not your reason. You have asked both of those questions, and more. It's like you keep throwing out random questions in an effort to find the least idiotic one.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 146024 Gender:	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #250 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 6:51pm freediver wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 6:47pm: Quote: Secondly, I asked about your "way" of killing prisoners, not your reason. You have asked both of those questions, and more. It's like you keep throwing out random questions in an effort to find the least idiotic one. Just looking for answers. So far, nothing.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #251 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 6:56pm How do you feel about stoning people to death?
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Reply #252 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 7:01pm

freediver wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 6:56pm:

How do you feel about stoning people to death?

The stuff I bought today probably wouldn't kill you.

Oh, you mean actually throwing stones!

I think it's barbaric, draconian, totally unnecessary, and immoral.

I condemn any individual who would participate in such an evil act.

The same goes for anyone who kills a prisoner with a lethal injection, or with a piece of rope.

What method of murder do you prefer?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #253 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 7:08pm Thanks Greg. That's all for now.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 146024 Gender:	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #254 - Apr 7^th, 2018 at 7:10pm freediver wrote on Apr 7^th, 2018 at 7:08pm: Thanks Greg. That's all for now. Hold on. I answered your question. Please answer mine.
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