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Reply #180 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:25pm
 
Yes, but I think FD's getting at the fact that we kill really terrible people. Your Muselman wants to kill gays who do it Mardi Gras-style. Or mindless collectives of treacherous Jews. Or just decent white people everywhere.

And do you know? FD has pages of his own posts of G's views to prove it.

Check the Wiki for details.
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Reply #181 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:28pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
Yes, but I think FD's getting at the fact that we kill really terrible people. Your Muselman wants to kill gays who do it Mardi Gras-style. Or mindless collectives of treacherous Jews. Or just decent white people everywhere.

And do you know? FD has pages of his own posts of G's views to prove it.

Check the Wiki for details.


I hope Mozzaok reads and 'gets' that.
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Reply #182 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:36pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 12:20pm:
Who told you that?

Aussie are you unsure whether I am talking about a tennis court?


I am sure you are using the expression religious Court.  When will you tell us what you mean when you use that expression.  In the fullness, of time, when a jellyfish grows a spine, or perhaps when prawns feel no/pain?


Do you need to be reassured I am not talking about a tennis court?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 19th, 2018 at 9:22pm:
Muzlims want to behead people. We don't. All cultures have the same value right?


We put a rope around their neck, or inject poison into their veins.

Either way, prisoners are being executed.

So, what's your point?





We?

Greg, are you as confused as Aussie about this question?

Do you see any particular danger in giving a religious court the authority to impose the death penalty?

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If you had been here to see the zillions of pages of posts about what a mindless collective of treacherous Jews meant, you would completely understand why I am not going to play the FD word games.


Gandalf is the one who tries to justify Muhammad's genocide by calling his victims a mindless collective of treacherous Jews. Ask him what he meant. You openly refused to read Gandalf's posts about this. You are the one who spent "zillions of pages of posts" arguing about something you remain openly and steadfastly ignorant of. Why?

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OK Aussie, I assure you we have all had enough of the silliness, so I will comprehensively address the issue that you falsely assumes holds some hidden trap.


Perhaps he is genuinely bewildered.
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Reply #183 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:57pm
 
FD, do you uphold the use of truth in your campaign against the Muselman? You haven't said.

A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Reply #184 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 9:18pm
 
FD?

You've gone.
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Reply #185 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 11:53pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 4:34pm:
mozzaok wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 4:23pm:
OK Aussie, I assure you we have all had enough of the silliness, so I will comprehensively address the issue that you falsely assumes holds some hidden trap.
It does not, it is perfectly straight forward.

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Sharia in Aceh

Islamic law has been implemented to a limited degree in Aceh, the only province in Indonesia authorized by national legislation to implement Sharia (Islamic law). In 2001, Aceh adopted a form of Shariah law. In 2003, Aceh courts were granted freedom to use sharia law as part of an autonomy package the central government offered in an effort to quell separatism in the province, where thousands died in a long-running insurgency. Since Aceh adopted sharia in 2001, the province has implemented four qanun (Islamic bylaws) including one on Islamic propagation, one on khalwat — a bylaw where unmarried couples are punished for being in close proximity — one on alcoholic beverages and one on gambling. In 2009, Qanun Jinayat, a set of bylaws that replaces elements of the Criminal Code with sharia provisions for Muslims, was endorsed by the Aceh Legislative Council.


http://factsanddetails.com/indonesia/Government_Military_Crime/sub6_5b/entry-406...

The quote I have highlighted is just the first paragraph of a rather comprehensive piece that will educate you as to what I mean by Religious Courts, what FD does, and what almost every reasonably competent person would agree upon.

The short version is they run their own system of justice, SEPARATE from the normal common law secular justice system, based on RELIGIOUS teachings.

Indonesia granted Aceh this right in 2001, and extended it further in 2003 giving them autonomy to write and enforce, and judge their own Islamist laws. They started with three main laws, that were to apply only to muslims,but they then moved further towards full Sharia and applied these laws to all people. Now they wish to move further again and have some good old public head chopping for murderers.

The concern of fair and decent people is that the "next" step may well be head chopping for Apostates, Homosexuals, Adulterers, etc. plus lop off a few hands for petty thieves, stone people to death, and on, and on, it goes. The more they get, the more they demand, and it invariably heads the same way.

If you bother to follow the link you will find they actually overstepped their legally granted limits, and stoned someone to death, for a crime against Islam.
NOBODY was ever punished for THAT infraction.

So can you now see why people have grave reservations about "RELIGIOUS COURTS", and where their implementation leads?


You do realise that the US has the death penalty, as well as about 57 other countries, don't you?

Why are their reasons for killing criminals any better than Aceh's?




You know full-well, Greggery. Those people are Muslims.


Exactly.

That's the only reason I can see.

White non-Muslims kill prisoners = good.

Tinted Muslims kill prisoners = bad.

Incredible   Roll Eyes


NOBODY is THAT stupid Mr Pig.
Not even when they are wallowing around seeking to justify the unjustifiable.
So I call you LIAR.
You know full well that, that is not what I have ever said, implied, or inferred.

That you seek to obfuscate the insanity of giving Religious Extremists the power to decide upon peoples fates, via canings, beheadings, stonings, etc. based upon what they read from a book written some 1200 to 1300 years ago.
The one where a guy says an Angel came down and told him he had a message from God, but he had to get it in a cave, because it was just for him to hear.
Well bugger me if old Mo did not get anything but, THE LAST and FINAL message that GOD will ever give, because what MO says is never to be challenged, changed, or updated in ANY WAY.
This is passed on by word of mouth( Chinese Whispers anyone? Always 100% reliable and accurate) for a few hundred years, then finally someone writes it down.
At this point we also get others telling their "STORIES" about Mo's life. A few hundred years later they were able to remember (make up) some impressive stuff.
I am thinking of doing similar about Isaac Newton's life. You know the style, one day he was sitting under an apple tree and got hit by a key hanging from the tail of an electric kite, and invented airplanes, AND electric guitars.
THE SORT OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION PEOPLE NEED WHEN DECIDING IF SOMEONE SHOULD BE EXECUTED.
In fact I have heard rumours that you once held hands with a female that was not your wife, sister or daughter.
If so please head up to Aceh right now and provide concrete support for the validity of their Religious Courts, and lay down for your CANING.
Only 80 strokes, a tough aussie bloke could certainly cope with that to support the rights of the massively downtrodden minorities you are inspired to defend.
Why not take a selfie while copping it? That would really show us that you believe what you say.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #186 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 8:02am
 
mozzaok wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 11:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 4:34pm:
mozzaok wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 4:23pm:
OK Aussie, I assure you we have all had enough of the silliness, so I will comprehensively address the issue that you falsely assumes holds some hidden trap.
It does not, it is perfectly straight forward.

Quote:
Sharia in Aceh

Islamic law has been implemented to a limited degree in Aceh, the only province in Indonesia authorized by national legislation to implement Sharia (Islamic law). In 2001, Aceh adopted a form of Shariah law. In 2003, Aceh courts were granted freedom to use sharia law as part of an autonomy package the central government offered in an effort to quell separatism in the province, where thousands died in a long-running insurgency. Since Aceh adopted sharia in 2001, the province has implemented four qanun (Islamic bylaws) including one on Islamic propagation, one on khalwat — a bylaw where unmarried couples are punished for being in close proximity — one on alcoholic beverages and one on gambling. In 2009, Qanun Jinayat, a set of bylaws that replaces elements of the Criminal Code with sharia provisions for Muslims, was endorsed by the Aceh Legislative Council.


http://factsanddetails.com/indonesia/Government_Military_Crime/sub6_5b/entry-406...

The quote I have highlighted is just the first paragraph of a rather comprehensive piece that will educate you as to what I mean by Religious Courts, what FD does, and what almost every reasonably competent person would agree upon.

The short version is they run their own system of justice, SEPARATE from the normal common law secular justice system, based on RELIGIOUS teachings.

Indonesia granted Aceh this right in 2001, and extended it further in 2003 giving them autonomy to write and enforce, and judge their own Islamist laws. They started with three main laws, that were to apply only to muslims,but they then moved further towards full Sharia and applied these laws to all people. Now they wish to move further again and have some good old public head chopping for murderers.

The concern of fair and decent people is that the "next" step may well be head chopping for Apostates, Homosexuals, Adulterers, etc. plus lop off a few hands for petty thieves, stone people to death, and on, and on, it goes. The more they get, the more they demand, and it invariably heads the same way.

If you bother to follow the link you will find they actually overstepped their legally granted limits, and stoned someone to death, for a crime against Islam.
NOBODY was ever punished for THAT infraction.

So can you now see why people have grave reservations about "RELIGIOUS COURTS", and where their implementation leads?


You do realise that the US has the death penalty, as well as about 57 other countries, don't you?

Why are their reasons for killing criminals any better than Aceh's?




You know full-well, Greggery. Those people are Muslims.


Exactly.

That's the only reason I can see.

White non-Muslims kill prisoners = good.

Tinted Muslims kill prisoners = bad.

Incredible   Roll Eyes


NOBODY is THAT stupid Mr Pig.
Not even when they are wallowing around seeking to justify the unjustifiable.
So I call you LIAR.
You know full well that, that is not what I have ever said, implied, or inferred.

That you seek to obfuscate the insanity of giving Religious Extremists the power to decide upon peoples fates, via canings, beheadings, stonings, etc. based upon what they read from a book written some 1200 to 1300 years ago.
The one where a guy says an Angel came down and told him he had a message from God, but he had to get it in a cave, because it was just for him to hear.
Well bugger me if old Mo did not get anything but, THE LAST and FINAL message that GOD will ever give, because what MO says is never to be challenged, changed, or updated in ANY WAY.
This is passed on by word of mouth( Chinese Whispers anyone? Always 100% reliable and accurate) for a few hundred years, then finally someone writes it down.
At this point we also get others telling their "STORIES" about Mo's life. A few hundred years later they were able to remember (make up) some impressive stuff.
I am thinking of doing similar about Isaac Newton's life. You know the style, one day he was sitting under an apple tree and got hit by a key hanging from the tail of an electric kite, and invented airplanes, AND electric guitars.
THE SORT OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION PEOPLE NEED WHEN DECIDING IF SOMEONE SHOULD BE EXECUTED.
In fact I have heard rumours that you once held hands with a female that was not your wife, sister or daughter.
If so please head up to Aceh right now and provide concrete support for the validity of their Religious Courts, and lay down for your CANING.
Only 80 strokes, a tough aussie bloke could certainly cope with that to support the rights of the massively downtrodden minorities you are inspired to defend.
Why not take a selfie while copping it? That would really show us that you believe what you say.




Who gets to choose what's justifiable?

Why are your reasons (and methods) for killing prisoners better than theirs?

I'm curious.
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Reply #187 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 12:45pm
 
Greg do you have just as much faith in the methods of a religious court as you do in the methods of our court system?
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Reply #188 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 12:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Greg do you have just as much faith in the methods of a religious court as you do in the methods of our court system?


I have no faith at all in a court that prescribes capital punishment.

Any court.

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Reply #189 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 1:00pm
 
I come back after a week and FD's still trolling greg with the same inane line.

Someone needs to get out more methinks.
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Reply #190 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 2:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
Greg do you have just as much faith in the methods of a religious court as you do in the methods of our court system?


Ask him if he has the right or even ability to criticise Islam, FD. That could work.
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Reply #191 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 2:49pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 29th, 2018 at 1:00pm:
I come back after a week and FD's still trolling greg with the same inane line.

Someone needs to get out more methinks.


Too dangerous, G. With you people running around raping and pillaging and taking away the freedom of decent white people everywhere, anything could happen.

FD is justifiably scared for his safety. Imagine if he answered a question and the wrong person got hold of it. You, Abu or Falah could be waiting around the next corner.

I blame Islam. Wouldn't you be asking questions if you were white?
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Reply #192 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 3:32pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 29th, 2018 at 1:00pm:
I come back after a week and FD's still trolling greg with the same inane line.

Someone needs to get out more methinks.


That is an unfair, and inaccurate description of what you think you have observed.
You claim absence, indicating you are happy to acknowledge that you are offering a point of view from a position of ignorance.
You then negatively characterise a valid question posed to peccar because of his reply to my post, as being trolling by FD.
That suggests a negative prejudged bias.

Aussie is the one playing the fool by incessantly demanding individual personal definitions of commonly known and understood concepts.
He baited FD with this so much I got frustrated and supplied him with my personal take on the definition.
I then put in some reference from another source which supported my contention that his suggestion that the definition required specific definition on a single person by person basis, was both spurious, and a ploy at obfuscating the real point of the discussion.
That was that Religious Courts are not institutions that secular people at the very least, or any decent people by my position, should ever allow in their society.
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Reply #193 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 4:17pm
 
You just don't 'get' it, do you Mozzaok.

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Aussie is the one playing the fool by incessantly demanding individual personal definitions of commonly known and understood concepts.
He baited FD with this so much I got frustrated and supplied him with my personal take on the definition.
I then put in some reference from another source which supported my contention that his suggestion that the definition required specific definition on a single person by person basis, was both spurious, and a ploy at obfuscating the real point of the discussion.
That was that Religious Courts are not institutions that secular people at the very least, or any decent people by my position, should ever allow in their society.


That expression religious Court is ill defined even on Google, and further, it was not you who introduced the expression here....that was FD, and it is FD stuffing around avoiding telling us what he means when he used that expression in his original question. 

It is FD who is flooding us with no answer gibber.....instead just his usual arsehattery, while I have remained on track/focussed to ask him to define what he means.

Maybe you should tell him what he means?

You are beating up on the wrong horse.
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Reply #194 - Mar 29th, 2018 at 8:53pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Mar 29th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
That is an unfair, and inaccurate description of what you think you have observed.


FD troll wherever he goes. He has a particular obsession with a small number of members - top of the list being Brian, Aussie and Greg. He hounds them incessantly with the same tedious lines: "why can't you answer a simple question", "ooh look, he's evading", and variations of that theme. Whats particularly annoying is that he completely derails anything that might be worthwhile or interesting in a discussion, with his petty obessions with point scoring. Whenever you attempt to debate FD, you find yourself asking after every 20 pages of him nitpicking "hang on, whats the point of all this again?"
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