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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39463 Gender:	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #165 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 11:29am Attempt # 37645: The expression religious Court could mean many things which is why I want FD to explain what he means when he uses that expression. After all, he wants me to answer a question he posed in which he used those words.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146110 Gender:	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #166 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 11:33am freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 6:31am: Water is not a reference to a WC. It has to be deep enough water to drown the Israelis in. It's a well trodden path for Muslims, according to Pecca. Nothing to do with me. I didn't create the Arabic language. Sharia means "the clear, well-trodden path to water" in Arabic.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51293 At my desk.	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #167 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 12:20pm Who told you that? Aussie are you unsure whether I am talking about a tennis court?
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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #168 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 1:49pm

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 12:20pm:

Who told you that?

Aussie are you unsure whether I am talking about a tennis court?

I am sure you are using the expression religious Court. When will you tell us what you mean when you use that expression. In the fullness, of time, when a jellyfish grows a spine, or perhaps when prawns feel no/pain?

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #169 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 3:05pm religious court, muslims, beheadings? it's got nuffin to do wiv islam.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146110 Gender:	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #170 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 3:15pm issuevoter wrote on Mar 19^th, 2018 at 9:22pm: Muzlims want to behead people. We don't. All cultures have the same value right? We put a rope around their neck, or inject poison into their veins. Either way, prisoners are being executed. So, what's your point?
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Reply #171 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 3:18pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 1:49pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 12:20pm:

Who told you that?

Aussie are you unsure whether I am talking about a tennis court?

I am sure you are using the expression religious Court. When will you tell us what you mean when you use that expression. In the fullness, of time, when a jellyfish grows a spine, or perhaps when prawns feel no/pain?

It honestly seems that you are hoping for some lawyerly weasel way to dismiss FD's original point, in the hope that semantics and deliberately misconstruing the commonly understood meaning of words, by demanding he define what HE means when he says "Religious Courts".

YOU seem to be the only one here that does not have a clear understanding of the terminology.

Seeing that is the case, why don't YOU define what YOU believe "Religious Courts" means, and stop this childish baiting?

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Reply #172 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 3:32pm

mozzaok wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 3:18pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 1:49pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 12:20pm:

Who told you that?

Aussie are you unsure whether I am talking about a tennis court?

I am sure you are using the expression religious Court. When will you tell us what you mean when you use that expression. In the fullness, of time, when a jellyfish grows a spine, or perhaps when prawns feel no/pain?

It honestly seems that you are hoping for some lawyerly weasel way to dismiss FD's original point, in the hope that semantics and deliberately misconstruing the commonly understood meaning of words, by demanding he define what HE means when he says "Religious Courts".

YOU seem to be the only one here that does not have a clear understanding of the terminology.

Seeing that is the case, why don't YOU define what YOU believe "Religious Courts" means, and stop this childish baiting?

If you had been here to see the zillions of pages of posts about what a mindless collective of treacherous Jews meant, you would completely understand why I am not going to play the FD word games. This is his expression. Religious Court. Not mine. Up to him to define what he means before I will answer his original question. Don't accuse me of semantics etc. FD has avoided answering the question now for an eon. Get up him for the childish conduct, obstructionism and obfuscation.

His

expression,

he

defines it. I will never be a fly to his spider.

His (alleged) 'original point' was a question in which he used that expression.

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Greg do you see any particular danger in handing a religious court the authority to hand out death sentences?

He has never made a point.

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Reply #173 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:23pm

OK Aussie, I assure you we have all had enough of the silliness, so I will comprehensively address the issue that you falsely assumes holds some hidden trap.
It does not, it is perfectly straight forward.

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Sharia in Aceh

Islamic law has been implemented to a limited degree in Aceh, the only province in Indonesia authorized by national legislation to implement Sharia (Islamic law). In 2001, Aceh adopted a form of Shariah law. In 2003, Aceh courts were granted freedom to use sharia law as part of an autonomy package the central government offered in an effort to quell separatism in the province, where thousands died in a long-running insurgency. Since Aceh adopted sharia in 2001, the province has implemented four qanun (Islamic bylaws) including one on Islamic propagation, one on khalwat — a bylaw where unmarried couples are punished for being in close proximity — one on alcoholic beverages and one on gambling. In 2009, Qanun Jinayat, a set of bylaws that replaces elements of the Criminal Code with sharia provisions for Muslims, was endorsed by the Aceh Legislative Council.

http://factsanddetails.com/indonesia/Government_Military_Crime/sub6_5b/entry-406...

The quote I have highlighted is just the first paragraph of a rather comprehensive piece that will educate you as to what I mean by Religious Courts, what FD does, and what almost every reasonably competent person would agree upon.

The short version is they run their own system of justice, SEPARATE from the normal common law secular justice system, based on RELIGIOUS teachings.

Indonesia granted Aceh this right in 2001, and extended it further in 2003 giving them autonomy to write and enforce, and judge their own Islamist laws. They started with three main laws, that were to apply only to muslims,but they then moved further towards full Sharia and applied these laws to all people. Now they wish to move further again and have some good old public head chopping for murderers.

The concern of fair and decent people is that the "next" step may well be head chopping for Apostates, Homosexuals, Adulterers, etc. plus lop off a few hands for petty thieves, stone people to death, and on, and on, it goes. The more they get, the more they demand, and it invariably heads the same way.

If you bother to follow the link you will find they actually overstepped their legally granted limits, and stoned someone to death, for a crime against Islam.
NOBODY was ever punished for THAT infraction.

So can you now see why people have grave reservations about "RELIGIOUS COURTS", and where their implementation leads?

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #174 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:34pm

mozzaok wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:23pm:

OK Aussie, I assure you we have all had enough of the silliness, so I will comprehensively address the issue that you falsely assumes holds some hidden trap.
It does not, it is perfectly straight forward.

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Sharia in Aceh

Islamic law has been implemented to a limited degree in Aceh, the only province in Indonesia authorized by national legislation to implement Sharia (Islamic law). In 2001, Aceh adopted a form of Shariah law. In 2003, Aceh courts were granted freedom to use sharia law as part of an autonomy package the central government offered in an effort to quell separatism in the province, where thousands died in a long-running insurgency. Since Aceh adopted sharia in 2001, the province has implemented four qanun (Islamic bylaws) including one on Islamic propagation, one on khalwat — a bylaw where unmarried couples are punished for being in close proximity — one on alcoholic beverages and one on gambling. In 2009, Qanun Jinayat, a set of bylaws that replaces elements of the Criminal Code with sharia provisions for Muslims, was endorsed by the Aceh Legislative Council.

http://factsanddetails.com/indonesia/Government_Military_Crime/sub6_5b/entry-406...

The quote I have highlighted is just the first paragraph of a rather comprehensive piece that will educate you as to what I mean by Religious Courts, what FD does, and what almost every reasonably competent person would agree upon.

The short version is they run their own system of justice, SEPARATE from the normal common law secular justice system, based on RELIGIOUS teachings.

Indonesia granted Aceh this right in 2001, and extended it further in 2003 giving them autonomy to write and enforce, and judge their own Islamist laws. They started with three main laws, that were to apply only to muslims,but they then moved further towards full Sharia and applied these laws to all people. Now they wish to move further again and have some good old public head chopping for murderers.

The concern of fair and decent people is that the "next" step may well be head chopping for Apostates, Homosexuals, Adulterers, etc. plus lop off a few hands for petty thieves, stone people to death, and on, and on, it goes. The more they get, the more they demand, and it invariably heads the same way.

If you bother to follow the link you will find they actually overstepped their legally granted limits, and stoned someone to death, for a crime against Islam.
NOBODY was ever punished for THAT infraction.

So can you now see why people have grave reservations about "RELIGIOUS COURTS", and where their implementation leads?

You do realise that the US has the death penalty, as well as about 57 other countries, don't you?

Why are their reasons for killing criminals any better than Aceh's?

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #175 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 5:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:34pm:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:23pm:

OK Aussie, I assure you we have all had enough of the silliness, so I will comprehensively address the issue that you falsely assumes holds some hidden trap.
It does not, it is perfectly straight forward.

Quote:

Sharia in Aceh

Islamic law has been implemented to a limited degree in Aceh, the only province in Indonesia authorized by national legislation to implement Sharia (Islamic law). In 2001, Aceh adopted a form of Shariah law. In 2003, Aceh courts were granted freedom to use sharia law as part of an autonomy package the central government offered in an effort to quell separatism in the province, where thousands died in a long-running insurgency. Since Aceh adopted sharia in 2001, the province has implemented four qanun (Islamic bylaws) including one on Islamic propagation, one on khalwat — a bylaw where unmarried couples are punished for being in close proximity — one on alcoholic beverages and one on gambling. In 2009, Qanun Jinayat, a set of bylaws that replaces elements of the Criminal Code with sharia provisions for Muslims, was endorsed by the Aceh Legislative Council.

http://factsanddetails.com/indonesia/Government_Military_Crime/sub6_5b/entry-406...

The quote I have highlighted is just the first paragraph of a rather comprehensive piece that will educate you as to what I mean by Religious Courts, what FD does, and what almost every reasonably competent person would agree upon.

The short version is they run their own system of justice, SEPARATE from the normal common law secular justice system, based on RELIGIOUS teachings.

Indonesia granted Aceh this right in 2001, and extended it further in 2003 giving them autonomy to write and enforce, and judge their own Islamist laws. They started with three main laws, that were to apply only to muslims,but they then moved further towards full Sharia and applied these laws to all people. Now they wish to move further again and have some good old public head chopping for murderers.

The concern of fair and decent people is that the "next" step may well be head chopping for Apostates, Homosexuals, Adulterers, etc. plus lop off a few hands for petty thieves, stone people to death, and on, and on, it goes. The more they get, the more they demand, and it invariably heads the same way.

If you bother to follow the link you will find they actually overstepped their legally granted limits, and stoned someone to death, for a crime against Islam.
NOBODY was ever punished for THAT infraction.

So can you now see why people have grave reservations about "RELIGIOUS COURTS", and where their implementation leads?

You do realise that the US has the death penalty, as well as about 57 other countries, don't you?

Why are their reasons for killing criminals any better than Aceh's?

Does the US hand off it's justice system to religious nuts or is it the law of the State following due process?

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Reply #176 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 5:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:34pm:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:23pm:

OK Aussie, I assure you we have all had enough of the silliness, so I will comprehensively address the issue that you falsely assumes holds some hidden trap.
It does not, it is perfectly straight forward.

Quote:

Sharia in Aceh

Islamic law has been implemented to a limited degree in Aceh, the only province in Indonesia authorized by national legislation to implement Sharia (Islamic law). In 2001, Aceh adopted a form of Shariah law. In 2003, Aceh courts were granted freedom to use sharia law as part of an autonomy package the central government offered in an effort to quell separatism in the province, where thousands died in a long-running insurgency. Since Aceh adopted sharia in 2001, the province has implemented four qanun (Islamic bylaws) including one on Islamic propagation, one on khalwat — a bylaw where unmarried couples are punished for being in close proximity — one on alcoholic beverages and one on gambling. In 2009, Qanun Jinayat, a set of bylaws that replaces elements of the Criminal Code with sharia provisions for Muslims, was endorsed by the Aceh Legislative Council.

http://factsanddetails.com/indonesia/Government_Military_Crime/sub6_5b/entry-406...

The quote I have highlighted is just the first paragraph of a rather comprehensive piece that will educate you as to what I mean by Religious Courts, what FD does, and what almost every reasonably competent person would agree upon.

The short version is they run their own system of justice, SEPARATE from the normal common law secular justice system, based on RELIGIOUS teachings.

Indonesia granted Aceh this right in 2001, and extended it further in 2003 giving them autonomy to write and enforce, and judge their own Islamist laws. They started with three main laws, that were to apply only to muslims,but they then moved further towards full Sharia and applied these laws to all people. Now they wish to move further again and have some good old public head chopping for murderers.

The concern of fair and decent people is that the "next" step may well be head chopping for Apostates, Homosexuals, Adulterers, etc. plus lop off a few hands for petty thieves, stone people to death, and on, and on, it goes. The more they get, the more they demand, and it invariably heads the same way.

If you bother to follow the link you will find they actually overstepped their legally granted limits, and stoned someone to death, for a crime against Islam.
NOBODY was ever punished for THAT infraction.

So can you now see why people have grave reservations about "RELIGIOUS COURTS", and where their implementation leads?

You do realise that the US has the death penalty, as well as about 57 other countries, don't you?

Why are their reasons for killing criminals any better than Aceh's?

Really???
Well that clinches it then.
If America has 3/4 of the world's prisoners locked up in their country, then religious loonies must also be supported in burying women up to their necks in the ground and have their brains stoved in by a screaming mob with rocks.
I mean it is only fair, y'know. Moral equivalency is the only way to go if you are a blinkered short sighted social justice warrior convinced that all the problems in the world would go away if Trump wasn't president.
The US was a veritable garden of eden under Obama.
All the great things he achieved makes me proud to be a free thinking liberal.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #177 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 8:05pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 1:49pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 12:20pm:

Who told you that?

Aussie are you unsure whether I am talking about a tennis court?

I am sure you are using the expression religious Court. When will you tell us what you mean when you use that expression. In the fullness, of time, when a jellyfish grows a spine, or perhaps when prawns feel no/pain?

Now that's just unfair. I'll have you know FD has the constitutional right to not be offended - or asked ridiculous questions of this nature.

You should do the right thing and answer the questions.

What sound does a jellyfish make?

That's a question.

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Reply #178 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 8:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:34pm:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:23pm:

OK Aussie, I assure you we have all had enough of the silliness, so I will comprehensively address the issue that you falsely assumes holds some hidden trap.
It does not, it is perfectly straight forward.

Quote:

Sharia in Aceh

Islamic law has been implemented to a limited degree in Aceh, the only province in Indonesia authorized by national legislation to implement Sharia (Islamic law). In 2001, Aceh adopted a form of Shariah law. In 2003, Aceh courts were granted freedom to use sharia law as part of an autonomy package the central government offered in an effort to quell separatism in the province, where thousands died in a long-running insurgency. Since Aceh adopted sharia in 2001, the province has implemented four qanun (Islamic bylaws) including one on Islamic propagation, one on khalwat — a bylaw where unmarried couples are punished for being in close proximity — one on alcoholic beverages and one on gambling. In 2009, Qanun Jinayat, a set of bylaws that replaces elements of the Criminal Code with sharia provisions for Muslims, was endorsed by the Aceh Legislative Council.

http://factsanddetails.com/indonesia/Government_Military_Crime/sub6_5b/entry-406...

The quote I have highlighted is just the first paragraph of a rather comprehensive piece that will educate you as to what I mean by Religious Courts, what FD does, and what almost every reasonably competent person would agree upon.

The short version is they run their own system of justice, SEPARATE from the normal common law secular justice system, based on RELIGIOUS teachings.

Indonesia granted Aceh this right in 2001, and extended it further in 2003 giving them autonomy to write and enforce, and judge their own Islamist laws. They started with three main laws, that were to apply only to muslims,but they then moved further towards full Sharia and applied these laws to all people. Now they wish to move further again and have some good old public head chopping for murderers.

The concern of fair and decent people is that the "next" step may well be head chopping for Apostates, Homosexuals, Adulterers, etc. plus lop off a few hands for petty thieves, stone people to death, and on, and on, it goes. The more they get, the more they demand, and it invariably heads the same way.

If you bother to follow the link you will find they actually overstepped their legally granted limits, and stoned someone to death, for a crime against Islam.
NOBODY was ever punished for THAT infraction.

So can you now see why people have grave reservations about "RELIGIOUS COURTS", and where their implementation leads?

You do realise that the US has the death penalty, as well as about 57 other countries, don't you?

Why are their reasons for killing criminals any better than Aceh's?

You know full-well, Greggery. Those people are Muslims.

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Reply #179 - Mar 28^th, 2018 at 8:14pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 8:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:34pm:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 28^th, 2018 at 4:23pm:

OK Aussie, I assure you we have all had enough of the silliness, so I will comprehensively address the issue that you falsely assumes holds some hidden trap.
It does not, it is perfectly straight forward.

Quote:

Sharia in Aceh

Islamic law has been implemented to a limited degree in Aceh, the only province in Indonesia authorized by national legislation to implement Sharia (Islamic law). In 2001, Aceh adopted a form of Shariah law. In 2003, Aceh courts were granted freedom to use sharia law as part of an autonomy package the central government offered in an effort to quell separatism in the province, where thousands died in a long-running insurgency. Since Aceh adopted sharia in 2001, the province has implemented four qanun (Islamic bylaws) including one on Islamic propagation, one on khalwat — a bylaw where unmarried couples are punished for being in close proximity — one on alcoholic beverages and one on gambling. In 2009, Qanun Jinayat, a set of bylaws that replaces elements of the Criminal Code with sharia provisions for Muslims, was endorsed by the Aceh Legislative Council.

http://factsanddetails.com/indonesia/Government_Military_Crime/sub6_5b/entry-406...

The quote I have highlighted is just the first paragraph of a rather comprehensive piece that will educate you as to what I mean by Religious Courts, what FD does, and what almost every reasonably competent person would agree upon.

The short version is they run their own system of justice, SEPARATE from the normal common law secular justice system, based on RELIGIOUS teachings.

Indonesia granted Aceh this right in 2001, and extended it further in 2003 giving them autonomy to write and enforce, and judge their own Islamist laws. They started with three main laws, that were to apply only to muslims,but they then moved further towards full Sharia and applied these laws to all people. Now they wish to move further again and have some good old public head chopping for murderers.

The concern of fair and decent people is that the "next" step may well be head chopping for Apostates, Homosexuals, Adulterers, etc. plus lop off a few hands for petty thieves, stone people to death, and on, and on, it goes. The more they get, the more they demand, and it invariably heads the same way.

If you bother to follow the link you will find they actually overstepped their legally granted limits, and stoned someone to death, for a crime against Islam.
NOBODY was ever punished for THAT infraction.

So can you now see why people have grave reservations about "RELIGIOUS COURTS", and where their implementation leads?

You do realise that the US has the death penalty, as well as about 57 other countries, don't you?

Why are their reasons for killing criminals any better than Aceh's?

You know full-well, Greggery. Those people are Muslims.

Exactly.

That's the only reason I can see.

White non-Muslims kill prisoners = good.

Tinted Muslims kill prisoners = bad.

Incredible Roll Eyes

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