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Reply #120 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 4:37pm

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 4:20pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Brian, Greg, Karnal, Gandalf, Aussie, can any one of you give a straight answer to this question?

Do you see any particular danger in giving a religious court the authority to impose the death penalty?

Am I correct that not a single person here is willing to answer no to this question? The only people who are brave enough to give a straight answer would say yes?

What are the apologists so afraid of?

No sensible person would give you an answer while you refuse to tell us what you mean when you use the expression....'religious court'.......which is 100% germane to what you are asking.

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Reply #121 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 4:39pm

The results of muslims worshipping their god their way:

Australian National Security tells us:

Currently, 24 organisations are listed as terrorist organisations under the Criminal Code. They are:

•Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Al-Murabitun
Listed 5 November 2014, re-listed 2 November 2017

•Al-Qa'ida (AQ)
Listed 21 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
Listed 26 November 2010, re-listed 26 November 2013 and 26 November 2016.

•Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS)
Listed 28 November 2016

•Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)
Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Al-Shabaab
Listed 22 August 2009, re-listed 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Boko Haram
Listed 26 June 2014 and re-listed 27 June 2017.

•Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO)
Listed 5 June 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 25 May 2007, 16 May 2009, 12 May 2012 and 2 May 2015

•Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012, 3 March 2015 and 3 March 2018

•Islamic State
Formerly listed as Al-Qa’ida in Iraq—2 March 2005, re-listed 17 Feb 2007, 1 Nov 2008, 29 Oct 2010, 12 July 2013. Formerly listed as Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant on 14 Dec 2013. Listed 11 July 2014 as Islamic State and re-listed 1 July 2017.

•Islamic State East Asia
Listed 8 September 2017

•Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya)
Listed 28 November 2016

•Islamic State Khorasan Province
2 November 2017

•Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai)
Listed 28 November 2016.

•Jabhat al-Nusra
Listed 29 June 2013, re-listed 28 June 2016 and amended on 4 November 2016 to include alias Jabhat Fatah al-Sham.

•Jaish-e-Mohammad
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012, 3 March 2015 and 3 March 2018.

•Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA)
Formerly known as Harakat Ul-Mujahideen—Listed 14 November 2002, re-listed 5 November 2004, 3 November 2006, 1 November 2008, 29 October 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)
Listed 27 October 2002, re-listed 1 September 2004, 26 August 2006, 9 August 2008, 22 July 2010, 12 July 2013 and 28 June 2016

•Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
Listed 17 December 2005, re-listed 28 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Lashkar-e Jhangvi
Listed 11 April 2003, re-listed 11 April 2005, 31 March 2007, 14 March 2009, 10 March 2012, 3 March 2015 and 3 March 2018.

•Lashkar-e-Tayyiba
Listed 9 November 2003, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

•Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Listed 3 May 2004, re-listed 5 June 2005, 7 October 2005, 8 September 2007, 8 September 2009, 18 August 2012 and 11 August 2015

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #122 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 5:45pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 4:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 4:20pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Brian, Greg, Karnal, Gandalf, Aussie, can any one of you give a straight answer to this question?

Do you see any particular danger in giving a religious court the authority to impose the death penalty?

Am I correct that not a single person here is willing to answer no to this question? The only people who are brave enough to give a straight answer would say yes?

What are the apologists so afraid of?

No sensible person would give you an answer while you refuse to tell us what you mean when you use the expression....'religious court'.......which is 100% germane to what you are asking.

Oh. He's gone again.

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Reply #123 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 6:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 10:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 1:24pm:

I have already mentioned that el Presidente' Trump is proposing the imposition of capital punishment for drug running in the USA and there has, as expected been no protest here while the Aceh proposal to allow it's courts of hand out capital punishment for crimes appears to have gained a great deal of protest.

It is interesting that today, we have news that transgender women are finding life much harder in Aceh but, at the same time, el Presidente' Trump has decided to stop the US military from recruiting transgender people. And of course, there is no protest about it at all. Funny how Muslims receive special criticism but el Presidente' Trump's decisions don't receive the same criticism? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

I wonder if el Presidente' Trump is secretly a Muslim? Roll Eyes

In Bwian's warped mind (if mind is the word), public beheadings are indistinguishable from other capital punishments and people losing their jobs and livelihoods is the same as not being allowed one specific job.

He is that daft.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. Unable to understand how similar the mind of el Presidente Trump is when compared to the mind of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Both seek to impose their views on others, often violently. Trump wants everybody to love him and back him and his policies without question, 100%. Al-Baghdadi wants everybody to love him and back him and his policies without question, 100%

That you make excuses for such a comparison simply indicates how blind you are to the world around you. For you, it's better that Muslim children go into the flames rather than to be allowed to worship their God, their way. Tsk, tsk. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

It is an idiotic comparision, even by your shallow standards.

To not see the difference between the US legal and political system and the Islamic State requires singular stupidity, and you are peerlessly stupid, Bwian.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #124 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 6:26pm

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 10:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 1:24pm:

I have already mentioned that el Presidente' Trump is proposing the imposition of capital punishment for drug running in the USA and there has, as expected been no protest here while the Aceh proposal to allow it's courts of hand out capital punishment for crimes appears to have gained a great deal of protest.

It is interesting that today, we have news that transgender women are finding life much harder in Aceh but, at the same time, el Presidente' Trump has decided to stop the US military from recruiting transgender people. And of course, there is no protest about it at all. Funny how Muslims receive special criticism but el Presidente' Trump's decisions don't receive the same criticism? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

I wonder if el Presidente' Trump is secretly a Muslim? Roll Eyes

In Bwian's warped mind (if mind is the word), public beheadings are indistinguishable from other capital punishments and people losing their jobs and livelihoods is the same as not being allowed one specific job.

He is that daft.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. Unable to understand how similar the mind of el Presidente Trump is when compared to the mind of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Both seek to impose their views on others, often violently. Trump wants everybody to love him and back him and his policies without question, 100%. Al-Baghdadi wants everybody to love him and back him and his policies without question, 100%

That you make excuses for such a comparison simply indicates how blind you are to the world around you. For you, it's better that Muslim children go into the flames rather than to be allowed to worship their God, their way. Tsk, tsk. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

It is an idiotic comparision, even by your shallow standards.

To not see the difference between the US legal and political system and the Islamic State requires singular stupidity, and you are peerlessly stupid, Bwian.

I am comparing the men, not the legal systems, Soren. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, once again you've been tricked by what we are actually talking about, rather than what you think we should be talking about. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51302 At my desk.	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #125 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:32pm Quote: I am comparing the men, not the legal systems, Soren. Trump and al-Baghdadi? That is idiotic, even by your standards Brian.
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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #126 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 6:26pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 10:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24^th, 2018 at 1:24pm:

I have already mentioned that el Presidente' Trump is proposing the imposition of capital punishment for drug running in the USA and there has, as expected been no protest here while the Aceh proposal to allow it's courts of hand out capital punishment for crimes appears to have gained a great deal of protest.

It is interesting that today, we have news that transgender women are finding life much harder in Aceh but, at the same time, el Presidente' Trump has decided to stop the US military from recruiting transgender people. And of course, there is no protest about it at all. Funny how Muslims receive special criticism but el Presidente' Trump's decisions don't receive the same criticism? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

I wonder if el Presidente' Trump is secretly a Muslim? Roll Eyes

In Bwian's warped mind (if mind is the word), public beheadings are indistinguishable from other capital punishments and people losing their jobs and livelihoods is the same as not being allowed one specific job.

He is that daft.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. Unable to understand how similar the mind of el Presidente Trump is when compared to the mind of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Both seek to impose their views on others, often violently. Trump wants everybody to love him and back him and his policies without question, 100%. Al-Baghdadi wants everybody to love him and back him and his policies without question, 100%

That you make excuses for such a comparison simply indicates how blind you are to the world around you. For you, it's better that Muslim children go into the flames rather than to be allowed to worship their God, their way. Tsk, tsk. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

It is an idiotic comparision, even by your shallow standards.

To not see the difference between the US legal and political system and the Islamic State requires singular stupidity, and you are peerlessly stupid, Bwian.

I am comparing the men, not the legal systems, Soren. Oh, dearie, dearie, me, once again you've been tricked by what we are actually talking about, rather than what you think we should be talking about. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Men operate in context, Bwian. You don't, being unmoored. But the rest of humanity operates in context. Especially presidents and leaders, you silly old cow.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #127 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:36pm

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

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I am comparing the men, not the legal systems, Soren.

Trump and al-Baghdadi? That is idiotic, even by your standards Brian.

Dunno how you get to lecture others...when you continue to fail to define your own expression......religious Courts.

Why are you wunning away from doing so? Have you confused yourself? Bewildered or something?

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Reply #128 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:49pm

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:34pm:

Men operate in context, Bwian. You don't, being unmoored. But the rest of humanity operates in context. Especially presidents and leaders, you silly old cow.

Not according to the US Constitution, Soren. Forgotten what Nixon claimed he was able to do? Compare that to what el Presidente' Trump has said. Frighteningly similar in tone and content. Roll Eyes

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Reply #130 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 8:07pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:36pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

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I am comparing the men, not the legal systems, Soren.

Trump and al-Baghdadi? That is idiotic, even by your standards Brian.

Dunno how you get to lecture others...when you continue to fail to define your own expression......religious Courts.

Why are you wunning away from doing so? Have you confused yourself? Bewildered or something?

Yes Aussie, I am bewildered that you would demand this.

But not surprised.

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Reply #131 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 8:07pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:36pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

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I am comparing the men, not the legal systems, Soren.

Trump and al-Baghdadi? That is idiotic, even by your standards Brian.

Dunno how you get to lecture others...when you continue to fail to define your own expression......religious Courts.

Why are you wunning away from doing so? Have you confused yourself? Bewildered or something?

How many definitions of 'religious courts' are you aware of, Arse?

Which definitions make you think that there may be a point to comparing definitions?

Or are you just being stupid as your usual opening gambit?

Explain, Arse.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #132 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 8:19pm

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:36pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

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I am comparing the men, not the legal systems, Soren.

Trump and al-Baghdadi? That is idiotic, even by your standards Brian.

Dunno how you get to lecture others...when you continue to fail to define your own expression......religious Courts.

Why are you wunning away from doing so? Have you confused yourself? Bewildered or something?

Yes Aussie, I am bewildered that you would demand this.

But not surprised.

Get on with the job at hand, and stop the jellyfish act. Define what you mean by....religious Court.

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Reply #133 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 8:23pm

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:36pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Quote:

I am comparing the men, not the legal systems, Soren.

Trump and al-Baghdadi? That is idiotic, even by your standards Brian.

Dunno how you get to lecture others...when you continue to fail to define your own expression......religious Courts.

Why are you wunning away from doing so? Have you confused yourself? Bewildered or something?

How many definitions of 'religious courts' are you aware of, Arse?

Which definitions make you think that there may be a point to comparing definitions?

Or are you just being stupid as your usual opening gambit?

Explain, Arse.

What matters here is what Effendi reckons is a religious court. He is afraid to tell us, or is just unable to express himself. Maybe confused and bewildered as well. After all...he has wunaway every time I asked or, just not told is what he reckons is a religious Court.

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Reply #134 - Mar 25^th, 2018 at 8:37pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 8:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:36pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 25^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Quote:

I am comparing the men, not the legal systems, Soren.

Trump and al-Baghdadi? That is idiotic, even by your standards Brian.

Dunno how you get to lecture others...when you continue to fail to define your own expression......religious Courts.

Why are you wunning away from doing so? Have you confused yourself? Bewildered or something?

How many definitions of 'religious courts' are you aware of, Arse?

Which definitions make you think that there may be a point to comparing definitions?

Or are you just being stupid as your usual opening gambit?

Explain, Arse.

What matters here is what Effendi reckons is a religious court. He is afraid to tell us, or is just unable to express himself. Maybe confused and bewildered as well. After all...he has wunaway every time I asked or, just not told is what he reckons is a religious Court.

Soooo... how many different definitions of religious courts can YOU think of that makes you wonder which one FD might mean?

You can't think of any, Arse. Asking the question you yourself couldnt possibly answer to save your life just shows how shallow you are and how much you operate in bad faith.

Bwian is looking for a wife, you should apply. You are very compatible.

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