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Re: Donald and Kim
Reply #15 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:48pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:35pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 3:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

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I wish Hillary won the election. She's part of the military industrial complex and she'd have killed a shittton of Muzlims, just like Barrak Drone-Bama did.

Anyway who cares if Don is personally repugnant if he's getting good results like averting war with Nth Korea?

I think you'll find it's been the great diplomatic work done by South Korea more than Trump and the White House that has lead to this situation.

If Trump can continue their good work and actually achieve a disarmed North Korea and even better help for their prisoners, I mean citizens, then we can praise him.

Yet if things turned to poo in the region, Trump would be your go to guy to blame. No?

Only if it's because of his actions or policy.

Bs, People are blaming the weather on trump now

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Re: Donald and Kim
Reply #16 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:08pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:35pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 3:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Oh look, Gordon's joined the team.

Way to go, Gordon. We will make Amerika great again, no?

K
I wish Hillary won the election. She's part of the military industrial complex and she'd have killed a shittton of Muzlims, just like Barrak Drone-Bama did.

Anyway who cares if Don is personally repugnant if he's getting good results like averting war with Nth Korea?

I think you'll find it's been the great diplomatic work done by South Korea more than Trump and the White House that has lead to this situation.

If Trump can continue their good work and actually achieve a disarmed North Korea and even better help for their prisoners, I mean citizens, then we can praise him.

Yet if things turned to poo in the region, Trump would be your go to guy to blame. No?

Only if it's because of his actions or policy.

Bs, People are blaming the weather on trump now

You blame Lebs.

Cunning, no?

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Re: Donald and Kim
Reply #17 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:18pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:35pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 3:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Oh look, Gordon's joined the team.

Way to go, Gordon. We will make Amerika great again, no?

K
I wish Hillary won the election. She's part of the military industrial complex and she'd have killed a shittton of Muzlims, just like Barrak Drone-Bama did.

Anyway who cares if Don is personally repugnant if he's getting good results like averting war with Nth Korea?

I think you'll find it's been the great diplomatic work done by South Korea more than Trump and the White House that has lead to this situation.

If Trump can continue their good work and actually achieve a disarmed North Korea and even better help for their prisoners, I mean citizens, then we can praise him.

Yet if things turned to poo in the region, Trump would be your go to guy to blame. No?

Only if it's because of his actions or policy.

Bs, People are blaming the weather on trump now

The only thing Trump has to do with the weather is lying about.

Remember back at his inauguration?

"The crowd was unbelievable today. I looked at the rain, which just never came, you know, we finished the speech, went inside, it poured then we came outside," he said. "The helicopter scene was an incredible scene, and then, amazingly it rained—like God was looking down on us."

Reality: The rain started as Mr Trump began his inauguration speech.

The first of many many lies...

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Re: Donald and Kim
Reply #18 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:21pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:18pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:35pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 3:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Oh look, Gordon's joined the team.

Way to go, Gordon. We will make Amerika great again, no?

K
I wish Hillary won the election. She's part of the military industrial complex and she'd have killed a shittton of Muzlims, just like Barrak Drone-Bama did.

Anyway who cares if Don is personally repugnant if he's getting good results like averting war with Nth Korea?

I think you'll find it's been the great diplomatic work done by South Korea more than Trump and the White House that has lead to this situation.

If Trump can continue their good work and actually achieve a disarmed North Korea and even better help for their prisoners, I mean citizens, then we can praise him.

Yet if things turned to poo in the region, Trump would be your go to guy to blame. No?

Only if it's because of his actions or policy.

Bs, People are blaming the weather on trump now

The only thing Trump has to do with the weather is lying about.

Remember back at his inauguration?

"The crowd was unbelievable today. I looked at the rain, which just never came, you know, we finished the speech, went inside, it poured then we came outside," he said. "The helicopter scene was an incredible scene, and then, amazingly it rained—like God was looking down on us."

Reality: The rain started as Mr Trump began his inauguration speech.

The first of many many lies...

So what. He's got a meeting with Kim.

If Obama managed that you'd be verbally fellating him.

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Re: Donald and Kim
Reply #19 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:23pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:18pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:35pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 3:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Oh look, Gordon's joined the team.

Way to go, Gordon. We will make Amerika great again, no?

K
I wish Hillary won the election. She's part of the military industrial complex and she'd have killed a shittton of Muzlims, just like Barrak Drone-Bama did.

Anyway who cares if Don is personally repugnant if he's getting good results like averting war with Nth Korea?

I think you'll find it's been the great diplomatic work done by South Korea more than Trump and the White House that has lead to this situation.

If Trump can continue their good work and actually achieve a disarmed North Korea and even better help for their prisoners, I mean citizens, then we can praise him.

Yet if things turned to poo in the region, Trump would be your go to guy to blame. No?

Only if it's because of his actions or policy.

Bs, People are blaming the weather on trump now

The only thing Trump has to do with the weather is lying about.

Remember back at his inauguration?

"The crowd was unbelievable today. I looked at the rain, which just never came, you know, we finished the speech, went inside, it poured then we came outside," he said. "The helicopter scene was an incredible scene, and then, amazingly it rained—like God was looking down on us."

Reality: The rain started as Mr Trump began his inauguration speech.

The first of many many lies...

So what. He's got a meeting with Kim.

If Obama managed that you'd be verbally fellating him.

So lying only bad when it's Hillary or Obama, but I'm when Trump?

Actually you don't have to answer that, it's clear who you desire to fellate.

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Re: Donald and Kim
Reply #20 - Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:24pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:23pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:21pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 9:18pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:48pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 8:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 7:35pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 3:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Oh look, Gordon's joined the team.

Way to go, Gordon. We will make Amerika great again, no?

K
I wish Hillary won the election. She's part of the military industrial complex and she'd have killed a shittton of Muzlims, just like Barrak Drone-Bama did.

Anyway who cares if Don is personally repugnant if he's getting good results like averting war with Nth Korea?

I think you'll find it's been the great diplomatic work done by South Korea more than Trump and the White House that has lead to this situation.

If Trump can continue their good work and actually achieve a disarmed North Korea and even better help for their prisoners, I mean citizens, then we can praise him.

Yet if things turned to poo in the region, Trump would be your go to guy to blame. No?

Only if it's because of his actions or policy.

Bs, People are blaming the weather on trump now

The only thing Trump has to do with the weather is lying about.

Remember back at his inauguration?

"The crowd was unbelievable today. I looked at the rain, which just never came, you know, we finished the speech, went inside, it poured then we came outside," he said. "The helicopter scene was an incredible scene, and then, amazingly it rained—like God was looking down on us."

Reality: The rain started as Mr Trump began his inauguration speech.

The first of many many lies...

So what. He's got a meeting with Kim.

If Obama managed that you'd be verbally fellating him.

So lying only bad when it's Hillary or Obama, but ok when Trump?

Actually you don't have to answer that, it's clear who you desire to fellate.

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Re: Donald and Kim
Reply #22 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 8:09am

AiA wrote on Mar 10^th, 2018 at 1:07am:

This meeting is said to be a diversion from Stormy Daniels ...

I don't think it's that petty but people are forgetting, or choosing to ignore that North Korea have been inviting each US President since Carter to meet with their leader and they've all refused. After they'd made a deal with him for aid and a softer approach and renegged on freezing their nuclear research no other President has accepted the offer.

This deal is being painted by Trump supporters as a positive, which I sincerely hope it is, but so far rather than it being about genuine disarmament, it looks like a power play by North Korea to show to their people and the world that now they have Nukes they're on the same level as the US and being taken seriously with this agreement to meet.

Given that Trump is all about the deal, it was a very easy manipulation to make.

And let's not forget that the Trump administration doesn't have any ambassador to even South Korea at the moment let alone the North. Their diplomacy skills in their area are severely lacking.

I want this to go well, for the security of the region, this needs to go well, but it looks like Trump may be getting played by Kim Jong Un.

Trump would be the first sitting American President to engage North Korean leadership since the armistice that paused the Korean War in 1953. Technically speaking, the United States and North Korea are still at war, since no formal peace treaty was ever signed to officially end the conflict.

As others smarter than me have put it,

Quote:

"Kim is inviting Trump to demonstrate that his investment in nuclear and missile capabilities has forced the United States to treat him as an equal.”

Trump doesn’t realise that Kim Jong Un has accomplished what his father and grandfather couldn’t. The optics of sitting across from a US President. If Trump knew history these negotiations will be long and not necessarily fruitful. I imagine Trump is going into this with his delusional "I alone" mentality. He's not going to get what he wants and, unpredictable as he is, he'll tack hard in the other direction. He doesn't care about diplomacy; this is all about optics, the illusion of a "win."

Good luck Mr Trump. We need you to not screw this up like everything else...

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Reply #23 - Mar 10^th, 2018 at 6:21pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 10^th, 2018 at 8:09am:

AiA wrote on Mar 10^th, 2018 at 1:07am:

This meeting is said to be a diversion from Stormy Daniels ...

I don't think it's that petty but people are forgetting, or choosing to ignore that North Korea have been inviting each US President since Carter to meet with their leader and they've all refused. After they'd made a deal with him for aid and a softer approach and renegged on freezing their nuclear research no other President has accepted the offer.

This deal is being painted by Trump supporters as a positive, which I sincerely hope it is, but so far rather than it being about genuine disarmament, it looks like a power play by North Korea to show to their people and the world that now they have Nukes they're on the same level as the US and being taken seriously with this agreement to meet.

Given that Trump is all about the deal, it was a very easy manipulation to make.

And let's not forget that the Trump administration doesn't have any ambassador to even South Korea at the moment let alone the North. Their diplomacy skills in their area are severely lacking.

I want this to go well, for the security of the region, this needs to go well, but it looks like Trump may be getting played by Kim Jong Un.

Trump would be the first sitting American President to engage North Korean leadership since the armistice that paused the Korean War in 1953. Technically speaking, the United States and North Korea are still at war, since no formal peace treaty was ever signed to officially end the conflict.

As others smarter than me have put it,

Quote:

"Kim is inviting Trump to demonstrate that his investment in nuclear and missile capabilities has forced the United States to treat him as an equal.”

Trump doesn’t realise that Kim Jong Un has accomplished what his father and grandfather couldn’t. The optics of sitting across from a US President. If Trump knew history these negotiations will be long and not necessarily fruitful. I imagine Trump is going into this with his delusional "I alone" mentality. He's not going to get what he wants and, unpredictable as he is, he'll tack hard in the other direction. He doesn't care about diplomacy; this is all about optics, the illusion of a "win."

Good luck Mr Trump. We need you to not screw this up like everything else...

Yes, but Mr Trump will lose interest after the photo op. Who knows?

Maybe he'll get a few Tweets out of it.

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Reply #26 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 4:28pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 3:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2018 at 12:48pm:

Oh look, Gordon's joined the team.

Way to go, Gordon. We will make Amerika great again, no?

I wish Hillary won the election. She's part of the military industrial complex and she'd have killed a shittton of Muzlims, just like Barrak Drone-Bama did.

Anyway who cares if Don is personally repugnant if he's getting good results like averting war with Nth Korea?

I think you'll find it's been the great diplomatic work done by South Korea more than Trump and the White House that has lead to this situation.

If Trump can continue their good work and actually achieve a disarmed North Korea and even better help for their prisoners, I mean citizens, then we can praise him.

I hope "The Donald" tells that lil brat to go Sh!t up a Tree......they should go play with their buddies to the North......btw, how's that romance goin' these days???

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Reply #27 - Mar 12^th, 2018 at 4:51pm

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 4:12pm:

South Korean media are reported as saying KJU wants full diplomatic relations with the USA, including an embassy.

I wonder are they increasingly worried about China.
China after all have massed their armed forces on the border.

That may well have come into play, along with the natives getting hungry, Kim has fattened up a lot lately and would go well in the cauldron with a bit of salt.

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Reply #28 - Mar 13^th, 2018 at 9:46am

Johnnie wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 4:51pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 4:12pm:

South Korean media are reported as saying KJU wants full diplomatic relations with the USA, including an embassy.

I wonder are they increasingly worried about China.
China after all have massed their armed forces on the border.

That may well have come into play, along with the natives getting hungry, Kim has fattened up a lot lately and would go well in the cauldron with a bit of salt.

There are mutual benefits to be seen from a NoKo/US rapprochement.
1. a reduction in nuclear tension of course
2. a likely improvement in north/south relations
3. something of a buffer state "friend" viv a vis China
4. possibly some trade benefits for NoKo in exchange for a reset of the bellicosity meter
5. political gains for both KJU and Trump

In the post-communist world, the collective power in NoKo (there must be one even if it's only the military) will know they need new friends and some means of developing their economy, starting with being able to reduce military spending.

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Reply #29 - Mar 13^th, 2018 at 12:45pm

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2018 at 9:46am:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 4:51pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2018 at 4:12pm:

South Korean media are reported as saying KJU wants full diplomatic relations with the USA, including an embassy.

I wonder are they increasingly worried about China.
China after all have massed their armed forces on the border.

That may well have come into play, along with the natives getting hungry, Kim has fattened up a lot lately and would go well in the cauldron with a bit of salt.

There are mutual benefits to be seen from a NoKo/US rapprochement.
1. a reduction in nuclear tension of course
2. a likely improvement in north/south relations
3. something of a buffer state "friend" viv a vis China
4. possibly some trade benefits for NoKo in exchange for a reset of the bellicosity meter
5. political gains for both KJU and Trump

In the post-communist world, the collective power in NoKo (there must be one even if it's only the military) will know they need new friends and some means of developing their economy, starting with being able to reduce military spending.

Gee, you've changed your tune. You've gone from Axis of Evil and Rocket Man to best friends and allies.

The power of Mr Trump, eh?

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