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Reply #75 - Apr 10^th, 2018 at 6:23pm

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 2:20pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 9:12am:

lee wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 11:06am:

And petrol/diesel cars don't have fault?

Nope. But generally they don't have a potential catastrophic failure. Wheels falling off is bad at highway speed.

So is that to do with electric cars, or the manufacturer?

E.g. if BMW made an all electric car, do you think its wheels would fall off

If BMW made an all electric car and its wheels fell off, they as the manufacturer of the car would be liable. Same as Tesla.

but your argument is that ALL electric cars are a market failure because of a design fault that is unrelated to the underlying propulsion technology.

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Reply #76 - Apr 10^th, 2018 at 6:24pm

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 2:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 11:25am:

lee always resorts to using strawman fallacies whenever there is a discussion of renewable energy or electric cars

Let's see -

Tesla is the Manufacturer? - Yes

Tesla has reported suspension problems? - Yes

Tesla Model S up to end of 2016 have been recalled? - Yes

The reported problems are corrosion of aluminium bolts from de-icing salts? Yes

Some strawman. Grin

BTW - It was DonDeeHippy who introduced Tesla to the debate. Wink

and fossil fool cars don't have major recalls Cheesy

LOL

you're as dumb as dogshit like the rest of your libbo mates. that's why you lot only know how to dig up coal and set fire to it.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21590 Gender:	Re: Electric cars are here to stay... Reply #77 - Apr 10^th, 2018 at 6:58pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 6:24pm: and fossil fool cars don't have major recalls Yes they do. Generally not 100% of their car model sold. But does that make it better for Tesla? They have been hand-built. Not mass produced.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21590 Gender:	Re: Electric cars are here to stay... Reply #78 - Apr 10^th, 2018 at 6:59pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 6:23pm: but your argument is that ALL electric cars are a market failure because of a design fault that is unrelated to the underlying propulsion technology. Perhaps you can quote where I said that?
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TheFunPolice Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9009 waggawagga Gender:	Re: Electric cars are here to stay... Reply #79 - Apr 11^th, 2018 at 1:11pm lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 6:58pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 6:24pm: and fossil fool cars don't have major recalls Yes they do. Generally not 100% of their car model sold. But does that make it better for Tesla? They have been hand-built. Not mass produced.
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Reply #80 - Apr 11^th, 2018 at 1:13pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 3:05pm:

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 2:20pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 9:12am:

lee wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:17pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 11:06am:

And petrol/diesel cars don't have fault?

Nope. But generally they don't have a potential catastrophic failure. Wheels falling off is bad at highway speed.

So is that to do with electric cars, or the manufacturer?

E.g. if BMW made an all electric car, do you think its wheels would fall off

If BMW made an all electric car and its wheels fell off, they as the manufacturer of the car would be liable. Same as Tesla.

So its not an anti-electric thing, its an anti-Tesla thing.

It's class warfare!

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Electric cars are here to stay... Reply #81 - Apr 11^th, 2018 at 7:41pm I dunno about electric cars... But I couldn't be happier with my new electric bike. Yeah, it cost a few bob ($900.00), but it does do around 30km/h, and I get around 40km on a charge. Worth every penny. And yes - it's legal.
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Reply #82 - Apr 12^th, 2018 at 11:32am

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 6:24pm:

and fossil fool cars don't have major recalls

Yes they do. Generally not 100% of their car model sold.

But does that make it better for Tesla? They have been hand-built. Not mass produced.

Well considering that Tesla has only been in operation for a very short time with only one or two models what did you expect ? What a stupid comparison to make but not surprising that it comes from a conservative voter Sad

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Reply #83 - Apr 12^th, 2018 at 11:35am

Kat wrote on Apr 11^th, 2018 at 7:41pm:

I dunno about electric cars...

But I couldn't be happier with my new electric bike.

Yeah, it cost a few bob ($900.00), but it does do around
30km/h, and I get around 40km on a charge.

Worth every penny.

** And yes - it's legal. **

So thats you I yelled at when you over take me on the hills Wink

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Reply #84 - Apr 12^th, 2018 at 11:55am

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

Well considering that Tesla has only been in operation for a very short time with only one or two models what did you expect ?

Tesla Roadster 2008 - 10 years.
Tesla S
Tesla Model 3
Tesla X.

"As of March 2018, Tesla had issued six product recalls for the Model S, two for the Roadster, and two for the Model X."

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So a recall for 3 out of 4 models. Not a good average.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

What a stupid comparison to make but not surprising that it comes from a conservative voter

So you never research your answers? Who knew? Grin

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Reply #85 - Apr 12^th, 2018 at 12:05pm

lee wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 11:55am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

Well considering that Tesla has only been in operation for a very short time with only one or two models what did you expect ?

Tesla Roadster 2008 - 10 years.
Tesla S
Tesla Model 3
Tesla X.

"As of March 2018, Tesla had issued six product recalls for the Model S, two for the Roadster, and two for the Model X."

Source Wiki

So a recall for 3 out of 4 models. Not a good average.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

What a stupid comparison to make but not surprising that it comes from a conservative voter

So you never research your answers? Who knew? Grin

but what is your actual point in all of this ?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21590 Gender:	Re: Electric cars are here to stay... Reply #86 - Apr 12^th, 2018 at 12:43pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 12:05pm: but what is your actual point in all of this ? That you don't have a clue. Just mindless defence of Tesla.
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30923 Gender:	Re: Electric cars are here to stay... Reply #87 - Apr 12^th, 2018 at 12:59pm lee wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 12:43pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 12:05pm: but what is your actual point in all of this ? That you don't have a clue. Just mindless defence of Tesla. As opposed to the mindless defence of unreliable, polluting, oily clunkety clunk pieces of fossil fool sh.t.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21590 Gender:	Re: Electric cars are here to stay... Reply #88 - Apr 12^th, 2018 at 1:42pm Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 12:59pm: As opposed to the mindless defence of unreliable, polluting, oily clunkety clunk pieces of fossil fool sh.t. Nice attempt at deflection. I don't defend ICE vehicles. They stand or fall on their own merits.
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Reply #89 - Apr 12^th, 2018 at 4:17pm

lee wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 1:42pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 12:59pm:

As opposed to the mindless defence of unreliable, polluting, oily clunkety clunk pieces of fossil fool sh.t.

Nice attempt at deflection.

I don't defend ICE vehicles. They stand or fall on their own merits.

so you're a troll that stands for nothing.

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