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Reply #270 - May 5^th, 2018 at 12:56pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 10:01am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:23am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

OK VW announces its put 45 billion dollars toward batteries and expects to be selling 3 million EV's a year in 7 years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/04/volkswagen-doubles-ev-battery-order-to-48-b...

I don't see any car companies saying ICE cars r better we wont be doing any electric vehicles, every press release by every car manufacturer is about their electric plans.......

Their 'electric' plans are largely because of government pressure or have you not worked that out yet??

ohh so it not because all their top executives r going to jail because they lied about diesel emissions and trying to look like they r going forward
I dont think any company will change a product making a profit unless told by a goverment , no matter how dangerous that product is.
DDT aspestos the list is endless.

You are talking about VW. There are in fact - in case you are unaware - other car manufacturers around.

What I want is a Jaguar XJR Hybrid - which may in fact appear. Best of both worlds and performance to destroy most cars.

yes a vw r the biggest car group in the world, there r other manufacturers but no one is bigger.
Haha Jag is just a glorified TATA now. Their new electric might actually be able to compete with a Tesla X though, they need something to get better sales in USA.
Range Rovers r supposed to be going hybrid too.
U could get a Tata/jag xenon Ute cheep here.

you dont know much about Jag vehicles, do you?

O hh I'm sorry u mean TATA doesn't own Jag ?
They send Leyland broke, Ford tried and sold up now India r giving the brand a go.
Don't get me wrong I Love the old E Types. all the new ones kind of look like Falcons.

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Re: Electric cars are here to stay...
Reply #271 - May 5^th, 2018 at 2:43pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 10:01am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:23am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

OK VW announces its put 45 billion dollars toward batteries and expects to be selling 3 million EV's a year in 7 years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/04/volkswagen-doubles-ev-battery-order-to-48-b...

I don't see any car companies saying ICE cars r better we wont be doing any electric vehicles, every press release by every car manufacturer is about their electric plans.......

Their 'electric' plans are largely because of government pressure or have you not worked that out yet??

ohh so it not because all their top executives r going to jail because they lied about diesel emissions and trying to look like they r going forward
I dont think any company will change a product making a profit unless told by a goverment , no matter how dangerous that product is.
DDT aspestos the list is endless.

You are talking about VW. There are in fact - in case you are unaware - other car manufacturers around.

What I want is a Jaguar XJR Hybrid - which may in fact appear. Best of both worlds and performance to destroy most cars.

yes a vw r the biggest car group in the world, there r other manufacturers but no one is bigger.
Haha Jag is just a glorified TATA now. Their new electric might actually be able to compete with a Tesla X though, they need something to get better sales in USA.
Range Rovers r supposed to be going hybrid too.
U could get a Tata/jag xenon Ute cheep here.

you dont know much about Jag vehicles, do you?

O hh I'm sorry u mean TATA doesn't own Jag ?
They send Leyland broke, Ford tried and sold up now India r giving the brand a go.
Don't get me wrong I Love the old E Types. all the new ones kind of look like Falcons.

TATA owns jaguar landrover but has zero input on their designs.

Take a look at this.... so much like a Ford falcon... moron.

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Re: Electric cars are here to stay...
Reply #272 - May 5^th, 2018 at 2:50pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:43pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 10:01am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:23am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

OK VW announces its put 45 billion dollars toward batteries and expects to be selling 3 million EV's a year in 7 years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/04/volkswagen-doubles-ev-battery-order-to-48-b...

I don't see any car companies saying ICE cars r better we wont be doing any electric vehicles, every press release by every car manufacturer is about their electric plans.......

Their 'electric' plans are largely because of government pressure or have you not worked that out yet??

ohh so it not because all their top executives r going to jail because they lied about diesel emissions and trying to look like they r going forward
I dont think any company will change a product making a profit unless told by a goverment , no matter how dangerous that product is.
DDT aspestos the list is endless.

You are talking about VW. There are in fact - in case you are unaware - other car manufacturers around.

What I want is a Jaguar XJR Hybrid - which may in fact appear. Best of both worlds and performance to destroy most cars.

yes a vw r the biggest car group in the world, there r other manufacturers but no one is bigger.
Haha Jag is just a glorified TATA now. Their new electric might actually be able to compete with a Tesla X though, they need something to get better sales in USA.
Range Rovers r supposed to be going hybrid too.
U could get a Tata/jag xenon Ute cheep here.

you dont know much about Jag vehicles, do you?

O hh I'm sorry u mean TATA doesn't own Jag ?
They send Leyland broke, Ford tried and sold up now India r giving the brand a go.
Don't get me wrong I Love the old E Types. all the new ones kind of look like Falcons.

TATA owns jaguar landrover but has zero input on their designs.

Take a look at this.... so much like a Ford falcon... moron.

So what Jag do u own ?

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Re: Electric cars are here to stay...
Reply #273 - May 5^th, 2018 at 4:40pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:43pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 10:01am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:23am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

OK VW announces its put 45 billion dollars toward batteries and expects to be selling 3 million EV's a year in 7 years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/04/volkswagen-doubles-ev-battery-order-to-48-b...

I don't see any car companies saying ICE cars r better we wont be doing any electric vehicles, every press release by every car manufacturer is about their electric plans.......

Their 'electric' plans are largely because of government pressure or have you not worked that out yet??

ohh so it not because all their top executives r going to jail because they lied about diesel emissions and trying to look like they r going forward
I dont think any company will change a product making a profit unless told by a goverment , no matter how dangerous that product is.
DDT aspestos the list is endless.

You are talking about VW. There are in fact - in case you are unaware - other car manufacturers around.

What I want is a Jaguar XJR Hybrid - which may in fact appear. Best of both worlds and performance to destroy most cars.

yes a vw r the biggest car group in the world, there r other manufacturers but no one is bigger.
Haha Jag is just a glorified TATA now. Their new electric might actually be able to compete with a Tesla X though, they need something to get better sales in USA.
Range Rovers r supposed to be going hybrid too.
U could get a Tata/jag xenon Ute cheep here.

you dont know much about Jag vehicles, do you?

O hh I'm sorry u mean TATA doesn't own Jag ?
They send Leyland broke, Ford tried and sold up now India r giving the brand a go.
Don't get me wrong I Love the old E Types. all the new ones kind of look like Falcons.

TATA owns jaguar landrover but has zero input on their designs.

Take a look at this.... so much like a Ford falcon... moron.

So what Jag do u own ?

Currently looking at a replacement for my existing FPV GT with Jaguar XJ R-Sport. Was originally looking at the XJR 575 but there are none in the country and waiting 6 months isnt what I want.

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Re: Electric cars are here to stay...
Reply #274 - May 5^th, 2018 at 5:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 4:40pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:43pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 10:01am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:23am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

OK VW announces its put 45 billion dollars toward batteries and expects to be selling 3 million EV's a year in 7 years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/04/volkswagen-doubles-ev-battery-order-to-48-b...

I don't see any car companies saying ICE cars r better we wont be doing any electric vehicles, every press release by every car manufacturer is about their electric plans.......

Their 'electric' plans are largely because of government pressure or have you not worked that out yet??

ohh so it not because all their top executives r going to jail because they lied about diesel emissions and trying to look like they r going forward
I dont think any company will change a product making a profit unless told by a goverment , no matter how dangerous that product is.
DDT aspestos the list is endless.

You are talking about VW. There are in fact - in case you are unaware - other car manufacturers around.

What I want is a Jaguar XJR Hybrid - which may in fact appear. Best of both worlds and performance to destroy most cars.

yes a vw r the biggest car group in the world, there r other manufacturers but no one is bigger.
Haha Jag is just a glorified TATA now. Their new electric might actually be able to compete with a Tesla X though, they need something to get better sales in USA.
Range Rovers r supposed to be going hybrid too.
U could get a Tata/jag xenon Ute cheep here.

you dont know much about Jag vehicles, do you?

O hh I'm sorry u mean TATA doesn't own Jag ?
They send Leyland broke, Ford tried and sold up now India r giving the brand a go.
Don't get me wrong I Love the old E Types. all the new ones kind of look like Falcons.

TATA owns jaguar landrover but has zero input on their designs.

Take a look at this.... so much like a Ford falcon... moron.

So what Jag do u own ?

Currently looking at a replacement for my existing FPV GT with Jaguar XJ R-Sport. Was originally looking at the XJR 575 but there are none in the country and waiting 6 months isnt what I want.

Yeah they look good, sort of like the late 70-80 models, friend had a v12 one and rocked.

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Re: Electric cars are here to stay...
Reply #275 - May 5^th, 2018 at 5:55pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 4:40pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:43pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 10:01am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:23am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

OK VW announces its put 45 billion dollars toward batteries and expects to be selling 3 million EV's a year in 7 years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/04/volkswagen-doubles-ev-battery-order-to-48-b...

I don't see any car companies saying ICE cars r better we wont be doing any electric vehicles, every press release by every car manufacturer is about their electric plans.......

Their 'electric' plans are largely because of government pressure or have you not worked that out yet??

ohh so it not because all their top executives r going to jail because they lied about diesel emissions and trying to look like they r going forward
I dont think any company will change a product making a profit unless told by a goverment , no matter how dangerous that product is.
DDT aspestos the list is endless.

You are talking about VW. There are in fact - in case you are unaware - other car manufacturers around.

What I want is a Jaguar XJR Hybrid - which may in fact appear. Best of both worlds and performance to destroy most cars.

yes a vw r the biggest car group in the world, there r other manufacturers but no one is bigger.
Haha Jag is just a glorified TATA now. Their new electric might actually be able to compete with a Tesla X though, they need something to get better sales in USA.
Range Rovers r supposed to be going hybrid too.
U could get a Tata/jag xenon Ute cheep here.

you dont know much about Jag vehicles, do you?

O hh I'm sorry u mean TATA doesn't own Jag ?
They send Leyland broke, Ford tried and sold up now India r giving the brand a go.
Don't get me wrong I Love the old E Types. all the new ones kind of look like Falcons.

TATA owns jaguar landrover but has zero input on their designs.

Take a look at this.... so much like a Ford falcon... moron.

So what Jag do u own ?

Currently looking at a replacement for my existing FPV GT with Jaguar XJ R-Sport. Was originally looking at the XJR 575 but there are none in the country and waiting 6 months isnt what I want.

Yeah they look good, sort of like the late 70-80 models, friend had a v12 one and rocked.

The current Jag XJ doesnt look at all like the previous generations. Absolutely different.

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Re: Electric cars are here to stay...
Reply #276 - May 5^th, 2018 at 6:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 5:55pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 4:40pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:43pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 10:01am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:23am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

OK VW announces its put 45 billion dollars toward batteries and expects to be selling 3 million EV's a year in 7 years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/04/volkswagen-doubles-ev-battery-order-to-48-b...

I don't see any car companies saying ICE cars r better we wont be doing any electric vehicles, every press release by every car manufacturer is about their electric plans.......

Their 'electric' plans are largely because of government pressure or have you not worked that out yet??

ohh so it not because all their top executives r going to jail because they lied about diesel emissions and trying to look like they r going forward
I dont think any company will change a product making a profit unless told by a goverment , no matter how dangerous that product is.
DDT aspestos the list is endless.

You are talking about VW. There are in fact - in case you are unaware - other car manufacturers around.

What I want is a Jaguar XJR Hybrid - which may in fact appear. Best of both worlds and performance to destroy most cars.

yes a vw r the biggest car group in the world, there r other manufacturers but no one is bigger.
Haha Jag is just a glorified TATA now. Their new electric might actually be able to compete with a Tesla X though, they need something to get better sales in USA.
Range Rovers r supposed to be going hybrid too.
U could get a Tata/jag xenon Ute cheep here.

you dont know much about Jag vehicles, do you?

O hh I'm sorry u mean TATA doesn't own Jag ?
They send Leyland broke, Ford tried and sold up now India r giving the brand a go.
Don't get me wrong I Love the old E Types. all the new ones kind of look like Falcons.

TATA owns jaguar landrover but has zero input on their designs.

Take a look at this.... so much like a Ford falcon... moron.

So what Jag do u own ?

Currently looking at a replacement for my existing FPV GT with Jaguar XJ R-Sport. Was originally looking at the XJR 575 but there are none in the country and waiting 6 months isnt what I want.

Yeah they look good, sort of like the late 70-80 models, friend had a v12 one and rocked.

The current Jag XJ doesnt look at all like the previous generations. Absolutely different.

So do u like the new jag electric suv ?

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Re: Electric cars are here to stay...
Reply #277 - May 5^th, 2018 at 9:14pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 6:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 5:55pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 5:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 4:40pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 2:43pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 11:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 10:01am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:23am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

OK VW announces its put 45 billion dollars toward batteries and expects to be selling 3 million EV's a year in 7 years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/04/volkswagen-doubles-ev-battery-order-to-48-b...

I don't see any car companies saying ICE cars r better we wont be doing any electric vehicles, every press release by every car manufacturer is about their electric plans.......

Their 'electric' plans are largely because of government pressure or have you not worked that out yet??

ohh so it not because all their top executives r going to jail because they lied about diesel emissions and trying to look like they r going forward
I dont think any company will change a product making a profit unless told by a goverment , no matter how dangerous that product is.
DDT aspestos the list is endless.

You are talking about VW. There are in fact - in case you are unaware - other car manufacturers around.

What I want is a Jaguar XJR Hybrid - which may in fact appear. Best of both worlds and performance to destroy most cars.

yes a vw r the biggest car group in the world, there r other manufacturers but no one is bigger.
Haha Jag is just a glorified TATA now. Their new electric might actually be able to compete with a Tesla X though, they need something to get better sales in USA.
Range Rovers r supposed to be going hybrid too.
U could get a Tata/jag xenon Ute cheep here.

you dont know much about Jag vehicles, do you?

O hh I'm sorry u mean TATA doesn't own Jag ?
They send Leyland broke, Ford tried and sold up now India r giving the brand a go.
Don't get me wrong I Love the old E Types. all the new ones kind of look like Falcons.

TATA owns jaguar landrover but has zero input on their designs.

Take a look at this.... so much like a Ford falcon... moron.

So what Jag do u own ?

Currently looking at a replacement for my existing FPV GT with Jaguar XJ R-Sport. Was originally looking at the XJR 575 but there are none in the country and waiting 6 months isnt what I want.

Yeah they look good, sort of like the late 70-80 models, friend had a v12 one and rocked.

The current Jag XJ doesnt look at all like the previous generations. Absolutely different.

So do u like the new jag electric suv ?

it looks very good and seems to be a pretty good tesla competitor

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Reply #279 - May 6^th, 2018 at 9:04am

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:14pm:

The current Jag XJ doesnt look at all like the previous generations. Absolutely different.

So do u like the new jag electric suv ? [/quote]

it looks very good and seems to be a pretty good tesla competitor [/quote]

Here is a little Jag win story
https://insideevs.com/jaguar-i-pace-outsells-tesla-model-x-in-france/

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Reply #280 - May 6^th, 2018 at 5:38pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 6^th, 2018 at 9:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 5^th, 2018 at 9:14pm:

The current Jag XJ doesnt look at all like the previous generations. Absolutely different.

So do u like the new jag electric suv ?

it looks very good and seems to be a pretty good tesla competitor [/quote]

Here is a little Jag win story
https://insideevs.com/jaguar-i-pace-outsells-tesla-model-x-in-france/ [/quote]

fairly pointless since the car has been available for purchase less than 2 months.

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Reply #282 - May 18^th, 2018 at 5:44pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 10:25am:

https://electrek.co/2018/05/15/bmw-quarter-of-a-million-electrified-vehicles/

They have been selling EV's but mostly Hybrids which is still a step in the right direction.

The difference between hybrids and EVs is huge. You cannot even try and put them in the same column. What makes hybrids and particularly plug-in ones is that you get almost all the advantages of EVs and none of the disavantages.

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Reply #283 - May 20^th, 2018 at 8:45am

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 5:44pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 10:25am:

https://electrek.co/2018/05/15/bmw-quarter-of-a-million-electrified-vehicles/

They have been selling EV's but mostly Hybrids which is still a step in the right direction.

The difference between hybrids and EVs is huge. You cannot even try and put them in the same column. What makes hybrids and particularly plug-in ones is that you get almost all the advantages of EVs and none of the disavantages.

Yes and that is what the article is saying, bmw are saying they have sold all the ev's to look green when in reality they haven't that's a nice sum up of what I posted Long Wink

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Reply #284 - May 20^th, 2018 at 1:10pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 5:44pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 10:25am:

https://electrek.co/2018/05/15/bmw-quarter-of-a-million-electrified-vehicles/

They have been selling EV's but mostly Hybrids which is still a step in the right direction.

The difference between hybrids and EVs is huge. You cannot even try and put them in the same column. What makes hybrids and particularly plug-in ones is that you get almost all the advantages of EVs and none of the disavantages.

Yes and that is what the article is saying, bmw are saying they have sold all the ev's to look green when in reality they haven't that's a nice sum up of what I posted Long Wink

your entire idiotic position seeks to equate hybrids and EVs in the same column when they are not even remotely the same.

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