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Reply #225 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 9:27am

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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 28^th, 2018 at 4:20pm:

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https://www.theage.com.au/national/act/e-bikes-will-turbo-charge-more-than-our-e...

e-bikes... naturally the dumb ACT govt thinks that is a good idea and just as naturally, pretty much no one will ever buy one.

The ACT govt makes a habit of ultra-green, highly impractical ideas that go nowhere.

Theres a heap of them here already

and they are an alternative to what exactly? push bikes?

Yes.

meaning that their value is... novelty.

Not really, the people I see using them are using them because they can no longer ride to work using a normal push bike (they might have an injury or just unfit) The e-bikes still allow you to pedal, you can just use them up hills. They are far more than a novelty, but again this is entering into the territory you inhabit which is either you're with me or totally stupid.

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Reply #226 - May 1^st, 2018 at 6:35am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:39pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 2:00pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 10:52am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 9:21am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 21^st, 2018 at 3:24pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 21^st, 2018 at 2:01pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 21^st, 2018 at 11:08am:

Those addicted to fossil fuels slag off Tesla but they are doing alright, big pre-orders, production ramping up etc.

Next year the SUV and maybe the semis?

Batteries getting better all the time too.

Nissan Leaf is also ramping up. GM and Ford will find it hard to switch to EVs.

To think, some on this forum actually think there is no more innovation left for battery technology!

Yeah lithium batteries have only doubled in density and halved in price in the last 10 years , so that means 4 times the power now for same price than it was 10 years ago.

And they still take FOUR TIMES AS LONG to recharge.

In case you have not yet worked it out, RECHARGE TIME is the problem with EVs. Fundamental physics using basic mathematics dictate that recharging will never be quick as petrol and often, very, very, very much slower.

and 94% of ev owners charge overnight at home and never goto a gas station again. Its one of the biggest selling points and make ev owners never want to go back to a ice vehicle again..
Average distance a Australian car goes is 40km's (14000kms a year) and the new breed of electric cars go 400kms a charge.
Even is ev's only replace everyone's 2nd vehicles, still a lot of oil not coming from the middle east here.
tesla have 500km range and take 20 mins to recharge another 400km, so yes not as good as petrol but if i drive 900kms i need more than 20 min break and if kids involved many more stops.

All statistics that are pointless. One you should also know is that 95% of EV owners have a second PETROL car so when then want to go any distance, they have a vehicle that can do it. only 5% of EV owners have only an EV

Average Distance is pointless when it ignores the fact that an EV cannot go long distances.

but yet again... YOU DONT OWN AN EV and probably never will. That is why you are a zealot.

I think your mixing up a home charger with the public ones, Tesla have superchargers they have installed Adelaide to Brisbane and they charge quickly 80% of the battery the other 20 takes a lot longer.
They charge at 120killowatts and 480 volts, most new public chargers r even better than this, really get with the times.
When the car has a range of 500 kms why do u need one every 50kms sounds dumb to me.

When the facts all disapear goto generalizing well done.

100 kwh 80% is 80kwh

120kw into 80 kw is 40 mins for a recharge
so 10 mins of charging for 100kms, still no where near as fast as fuel but still pretty good when u own a tesla and its free.
its 880kms from Melbourne to Sydney so a telsla would need a 40 min break in the middle or a 20 min break every 300kms, now the big thing is that's what is posable now, with improvement going like they r in another 5 years it could easy be no stops are a 5-10 minute one.
Teslas new roadster out next year will have 1000km range and so far Elon Musk has never made a technical boast, his products usually surpass what he says they will be, although he is usually wrong on how fast they will get built.
so in 8 months there will be cars around that have 1000km range
if the range is 1000km I'm sure there will be plenty of other car after that with the same range.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/roadster

Id like to see the source on the 95% car owners, even so those with a electric car never have to goto a gas station again for that car.

Teslas have a maximum recharge rate of 50kw/hr so the claim is still bogus. That is a minimum of 2 hours.

When you can ACTUALLY TRUTHFULLY recharge an EV in 20mins anywhere in australia like I can now with my petrol car, then you have a point. But claiming there are a handful of superchargers on a couple roads in eastern australia is interesting but worthless in the real world.

your optimism is great, but your science is not. Like it or not, the time it takes to recharge a 100kwhr battery is FIXED and determined by nothing other than the supply current and voltage. You cant get past that. a 100kmhr battery requires one hour to recharge at 100kw/hr. But teslas have a maximum recharge rate of 50km/hr. And when you are trying to recharge 1000 EVs at once in a city, where is your additional powerstation gonna be built?

work this out mathematically and then try and understand why EVs have such problems

Teslas before Superchargers yes but ALL Teslas now can take full advantage of the 120kw chargers and the latest chargers being built are 300kw, now just wait for the car to match the chargers,
these r private companies not govt so they wouldn't waste their money if they wouldn't come.
ohh and the latest S can do 594kms on a charge and at 120kw its 35 mins to charge 300kms so that's 1000km with a 35 min break. Not pie in the sky ,real

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Reply #227 - May 1^st, 2018 at 10:06am

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:35am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:39pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 2:00pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 10:52am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 9:21am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 21^st, 2018 at 3:24pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 21^st, 2018 at 2:01pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 21^st, 2018 at 11:08am:

Those addicted to fossil fuels slag off Tesla but they are doing alright, big pre-orders, production ramping up etc.

Next year the SUV and maybe the semis?

Batteries getting better all the time too.

Nissan Leaf is also ramping up. GM and Ford will find it hard to switch to EVs.

To think, some on this forum actually think there is no more innovation left for battery technology!

Yeah lithium batteries have only doubled in density and halved in price in the last 10 years , so that means 4 times the power now for same price than it was 10 years ago.

And they still take FOUR TIMES AS LONG to recharge.

In case you have not yet worked it out, RECHARGE TIME is the problem with EVs. Fundamental physics using basic mathematics dictate that recharging will never be quick as petrol and often, very, very, very much slower.

and 94% of ev owners charge overnight at home and never goto a gas station again. Its one of the biggest selling points and make ev owners never want to go back to a ice vehicle again..
Average distance a Australian car goes is 40km's (14000kms a year) and the new breed of electric cars go 400kms a charge.
Even is ev's only replace everyone's 2nd vehicles, still a lot of oil not coming from the middle east here.
tesla have 500km range and take 20 mins to recharge another 400km, so yes not as good as petrol but if i drive 900kms i need more than 20 min break and if kids involved many more stops.

All statistics that are pointless. One you should also know is that 95% of EV owners have a second PETROL car so when then want to go any distance, they have a vehicle that can do it. only 5% of EV owners have only an EV

Average Distance is pointless when it ignores the fact that an EV cannot go long distances.

but yet again... YOU DONT OWN AN EV and probably never will. That is why you are a zealot.

When the facts all disapear goto generalizing well done.

100 kwh 80% is 80kwh

120kw into 80 kw is 40 mins for a recharge
so 10 mins of charging for 100kms, still no where near as fast as fuel but still pretty good when u own a tesla and its free.
its 880kms from Melbourne to Sydney so a telsla would need a 40 min break in the middle or a 20 min break every 300kms, now the big thing is that's what is posable now, with improvement going like they r in another 5 years it could easy be no stops are a 5-10 minute one.
Teslas new roadster out next year will have 1000km range and so far Elon Musk has never made a technical boast, his products usually surpass what he says they will be, although he is usually wrong on how fast they will get built.
so in 8 months there will be cars around that have 1000km range
if the range is 1000km I'm sure there will be plenty of other car after that with the same range.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/roadster

Id like to see the source on the 95% car owners, even so those with a electric car never have to goto a gas station again for that car.

Teslas have a maximum recharge rate of 50kw/hr so the claim is still bogus. That is a minimum of 2 hours.

When you can ACTUALLY TRUTHFULLY recharge an EV in 20mins anywhere in australia like I can now with my petrol car, then you have a point. But claiming there are a handful of superchargers on a couple roads in eastern australia is interesting but worthless in the real world.

your optimism is great, but your science is not. Like it or not, the time it takes to recharge a 100kwhr battery is FIXED and determined by nothing other than the supply current and voltage. You cant get past that. a 100kmhr battery requires one hour to recharge at 100kw/hr. But teslas have a maximum recharge rate of 50km/hr. And when you are trying to recharge 1000 EVs at once in a city, where is your additional powerstation gonna be built?

work this out mathematically and then try and understand why EVs have such problems

Teslas before Superchargers yes but ALL Teslas now can take full advantage of the 120kw chargers and the latest chargers being built are 300kw, now just wait for the car to match the chargers,
these r private companies not govt so they wouldn't waste their money if they wouldn't come.
ohh and the latest S can do 594kms on a charge and at 120kw its 35 mins to charge 300kms so that's 1000km with a 35 min break. Not pie in the sky ,real

Actually, Tesla says that super-fast charging rapidly degrades the batteries and they will automatically slow the charging. You seem to be trying to ignore the fact that you cannot quickly charge EVs unless you are plugged into one of these virtually non-existent chargers.

Go buy one and then come back and tell us what it is like.

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Reply #228 - May 1^st, 2018 at 12:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 10:06am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:35am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:39pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 2:00pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 10:52am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 9:21am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 21^st, 2018 at 3:24pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 21^st, 2018 at 2:01pm:

[quote author=Jovial_Abbott link=1518090670/191#191 date=1524272921]Those addicted to fossil fuels slag off Tesla but they are doing alright, big pre-orders, production ramping up etc.

Next year the SUV and maybe the semis?

Batteries getting better all the time too.

Nissan Leaf is also ramping up. GM and Ford will find it hard to switch to EVs.

To think, some on this forum actually think there is no more innovation left for battery technology!

Yeah lithium batteries have only doubled in density and halved in price in the last 10 years , so that means 4 times the power now for same price than it was 10 years ago.

And they still take FOUR TIMES AS LONG to recharge.

In case you have not yet worked it out, RECHARGE TIME is the problem with EVs. Fundamental physics using basic mathematics dictate that recharging will never be quick as petrol and often, very, very, very much slower.

and 94% of ev owners charge overnight at home and never goto a gas station again. Its one of the biggest selling points and make ev owners never want to go back to a ice vehicle again..
Average distance a Australian car goes is 40km's (14000kms a year) and the new breed of electric cars go 400kms a charge.
Even is ev's only replace everyone's 2nd vehicles, still a lot of oil not coming from the middle east here.
tesla have 500km range and take 20 mins to recharge another 400km, so yes not as good as petrol but if i drive 900kms i need more than 20 min break and if kids involved many more stops.

All statistics that are pointless. One you should also know is that 95% of EV owners have a second PETROL car so when then want to go any distance, they have a vehicle that can do it. only 5% of EV owners have only an EV

Average Distance is pointless when it ignores the fact that an EV cannot go long distances.

but yet again... YOU DONT OWN AN EV and probably never will. That is why you are a zealot.

When the facts all disapear goto generalizing well done.

100 kwh 80% is 80kwh

120kw into 80 kw is 40 mins for a recharge
so 10 mins of charging for 100kms, still no where near as fast as fuel but still pretty good when u own a tesla and its free.
its 880kms from Melbourne to Sydney so a telsla would need a 40 min break in the middle or a 20 min break every 300kms, now the big thing is that's what is posable now, with improvement going like they r in another 5 years it could easy be no stops are a 5-10 minute one.
Teslas new roadster out next year will have 1000km range and so far Elon Musk has never made a technical boast, his products usually surpass what he says they will be, although he is usually wrong on how fast they will get built.
so in 8 months there will be cars around that have 1000km range
if the range is 1000km I'm sure there will be plenty of other car after that with the same range.

https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/roadster

Id like to see the source on the 95% car owners, even so those with a electric car never have to goto a gas station again for that car.

Teslas have a maximum recharge rate of 50kw/hr so the claim is still bogus. That is a minimum of 2 hours.

When you can ACTUALLY TRUTHFULLY recharge an EV in 20mins anywhere in australia like I can now with my petrol car, then you have a point. But claiming there are a handful of superchargers on a couple roads in eastern australia is interesting but worthless in the real world.

your optimism is great, but your science is not. Like it or not, the time it takes to recharge a 100kwhr battery is FIXED and determined by nothing other than the supply current and voltage. You cant get past that. a 100kmhr battery requires one hour to recharge at 100kw/hr. But teslas have a maximum recharge rate of 50km/hr. And when you are trying to recharge 1000 EVs at once in a city, where is your additional powerstation gonna be built?

w

Actually, Tesla says that super-fast charging rapidly degrades the batteries and they will automatically slow the charging. You seem to be trying to ignore the fact that you cannot quickly charge EVs unless you are plugged into one of these virtually non-existent chargers.

Go buy one and then come back and tell us what it is like.

your source? its good half truths there week, and the non existent chargers between Adelaide and brassy from tesla the only company in Australia selling the cars in numbers we wont mention, no need to wreak a good argument.
So unless your a politician then u shouldn't speak about politics ..... good reasoning there week.
The forum would be pretty empty if people in it could only chat about things they own or actually do or have a degree in......

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Reply #230 - May 1^st, 2018 at 5:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Read and learn...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

Yes indeed, according to the article less than 1% of owners it might take 5 mins longer becouse of the software taking over and slowing down supercharging to preserve the battery.
Was a year ago and the new Model3 batteries it doesn’t happen at all.
Still for most it’s 594km or range and then a 35 min charge to get 300 , maybe less than 1% will take 40 mins charge to get to 1000km, if it’s just the right conditions.
Thanks for the article

Still waiting where Tesla say that supercharging will degrade the battery. I’m waiting with pleasure week

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Reply #231 - May 1^st, 2018 at 6:10pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:48pm:

Still waiting where Tesla say that supercharging will degrade the battery.

you don't a read so good?

"Supercharger General Diagnosis Conclusion: No Trouble Found. Review vehicle logs and verify charging is topping out a lower rate than observed on earlier DC charging sessions. According to Tesla engineers, once vehicle has been DC fast charged over a specified amount, the battery management system restricts DC charging to prevent degradation of the battery pack. According to Tesla engineers, this vehicle has seen significant DC fast charging and is now has permanently restricted DC charging speeds. Important to note, supercharging will always still be available to the vehicle and the battery pack has not yet experienced significant degradation due to the amount of DC fast charging performed on the pack up until this point in time. Vehicle is operating as designed."

So you mean they restricted the vehicle to a low charge rate, simply because they can?

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Reply #232 - May 1^st, 2018 at 6:28pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Read and learn...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

Yes indeed, according to the article less than 1% of owners it might take 5 mins longer becouse of the software taking over and slowing down supercharging to preserve the battery.
Was a year ago and the new Model3 batteries it doesn’t happen at all.
Still for most it’s 594km or range and then a 35 min charge to get 300 , maybe less than 1% will take 40 mins charge to get to 1000km, if it’s just the right conditions.
Thanks for the article

Still waiting where Tesla say that supercharging will degrade the battery. I’m waiting with pleasure week

Please, please go buy an EV and experience the real world of charging it. Superchargers are almost nowhere and even then, it takes a long time.

you are like every other zealot in any field. You are a moron.

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Reply #233 - May 1^st, 2018 at 6:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:28pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Read and learn...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

Yes indeed, according to the article less than 1% of owners it might take 5 mins longer becouse of the software taking over and slowing down supercharging to preserve the battery.
Was a year ago and the new Model3 batteries it doesn’t happen at all.
Still for most it’s 594km or range and then a 35 min charge to get 300 , maybe less than 1% will take 40 mins charge to get to 1000km, if it’s just the right conditions.
Thanks for the article

Still waiting where Tesla say that supercharging will degrade the battery. I’m waiting with pleasure week

Please, please go buy an EV and experience the real world of charging it. Superchargers are almost nowhere and even then, it takes a long time.

you are like every other zealot in any field. You are a moron.

Except adalaide to brisbane of course, and again with the insults, I guess if your not to sure about yourself it’s easy to use names, it’s ok I understand Wink

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Reply #234 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 9:49am

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:28pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Read and learn...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

Yes indeed, according to the article less than 1% of owners it might take 5 mins longer becouse of the software taking over and slowing down supercharging to preserve the battery.
Was a year ago and the new Model3 batteries it doesn’t happen at all.
Still for most it’s 594km or range and then a 35 min charge to get 300 , maybe less than 1% will take 40 mins charge to get to 1000km, if it’s just the right conditions.
Thanks for the article

Still waiting where Tesla say that supercharging will degrade the battery. I’m waiting with pleasure week

Please, please go buy an EV and experience the real world of charging it. Superchargers are almost nowhere and even then, it takes a long time.

you are like every other zealot in any field. You are a moron.

Except adalaide to brisbane of course, and again with the insults, I guess if your not to sure about yourself it’s easy to use names, it’s ok I understand Wink

A handful of superchargers is not enough. What if I roll up to one need a charge and there are three people in front of me? at 3 hours a person, this could take a while. Meanwhile, my travelling companions in their petrol car are refuelled and 12 hours ahead of me. And when they want to go off the main highway they can while I cannot.

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Reply #235 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:02am

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 9:49am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:28pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Read and learn...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

Yes indeed, according to the article less than 1% of owners it might take 5 mins longer becouse of the software taking over and slowing down supercharging to preserve the battery.
Was a year ago and the new Model3 batteries it doesn’t happen at all.
Still for most it’s 594km or range and then a 35 min charge to get 300 , maybe less than 1% will take 40 mins charge to get to 1000km, if it’s just the right conditions.
Thanks for the article

Still waiting where Tesla say that supercharging will degrade the battery. I’m waiting with pleasure week

Please, please go buy an EV and experience the real world of charging it. Superchargers are almost nowhere and even then, it takes a long time.

you are like every other zealot in any field. You are a moron.

Except adalaide to brisbane of course, and again with the insults, I guess if your not to sure about yourself it’s easy to use names, it’s ok I understand Wink

A handful of superchargers is not enough. What if I roll up to one need a charge and there are three people in front of me? at 3 hours a person, this could take a while. Meanwhile, my travelling companions in their petrol car are refuelled and 12 hours ahead of me. And when they want to go off the main highway they can while I cannot.

just wondering , how often do u drive more than 600km's in a day ? and do u have a second car ?

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Reply #236 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:09pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 9:49am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:28pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Read and learn...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

Yes indeed, according to the article less than 1% of owners it might take 5 mins longer becouse of the software taking over and slowing down supercharging to preserve the battery.
Was a year ago and the new Model3 batteries it doesn’t happen at all.
Still for most it’s 594km or range and then a 35 min charge to get 300 , maybe less than 1% will take 40 mins charge to get to 1000km, if it’s just the right conditions.
Thanks for the article

Still waiting where Tesla say that supercharging will degrade the battery. I’m waiting with pleasure week

Please, please go buy an EV and experience the real world of charging it. Superchargers are almost nowhere and even then, it takes a long time.

you are like every other zealot in any field. You are a moron.

Except adalaide to brisbane of course, and again with the insults, I guess if your not to sure about yourself it’s easy to use names, it’s ok I understand Wink

A handful of superchargers is not enough. What if I roll up to one need a charge and there are three people in front of me? at 3 hours a person, this could take a while. Meanwhile, my travelling companions in their petrol car are refuelled and 12 hours ahead of me. And when they want to go off the main highway they can while I cannot.

just wondering , how often do u drive more than 600km's in a day ? and do u have a second car ?

More often than you think. And even more in the 450km range. But you are always missing the point which is not how far a charge can go but how long it takes to REcharge. And I dont want a car where I have to plant where, when and how long it ill take because there are no superchargers around. It would be like driving 600kms know that there is one petrol bowser along the way. I cant take side roads. I cant alter my plans. Do you not get that the ENTIRE REASON EVs havent dominated the market for the last 10 years is recharging? If i could 'recharge' my EV in 10mins and do so pretty much anywhere in the country, I'd already have one as would most people. But you cant and this is something you dont seem to understand.

Even if I only travel >600kms a few times a year, an EV is useless to me. I dont want to buy a car that can do 'most' of my driving needs. If it cant do all I want, I wont buy it hence no EV for me at present.

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Re: Electric cars are here to stay...
Reply #237 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:09pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 9:49am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:28pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Read and learn...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

Yes indeed, according to the article less than 1% of owners it might take 5 mins longer becouse of the software taking over and slowing down supercharging to preserve the battery.
Was a year ago and the new Model3 batteries it doesn’t happen at all.
Still for most it’s 594km or range and then a 35 min charge to get 300 , maybe less than 1% will take 40 mins charge to get to 1000km, if it’s just the right conditions.
Thanks for the article

Still waiting where Tesla say that supercharging will degrade the battery. I’m waiting with pleasure week

Please, please go buy an EV and experience the real world of charging it. Superchargers are almost nowhere and even then, it takes a long time.

you are like every other zealot in any field. You are a moron.

Except adalaide to brisbane of course, and again with the insults, I guess if your not to sure about yourself it’s easy to use names, it’s ok I understand Wink

A handful of superchargers is not enough. What if I roll up to one need a charge and there are three people in front of me? at 3 hours a person, this could take a while. Meanwhile, my travelling companions in their petrol car are refuelled and 12 hours ahead of me. And when they want to go off the main highway they can while I cannot.

just wondering , how often do u drive more than 600km's in a day ? and do u have a second car ?

More often than you think. And even more in the 450km range. But you are always missing the point which is not how far a charge can go but how long it takes to REcharge. And I dont want a car where I have to plant where, when and how long it ill take because there are no superchargers around. It would be like driving 600kms know that there is one petrol bowser along the way. I cant take side roads. I cant alter my plans. Do you not get that the ENTIRE REASON EVs havent dominated the market for the last 10 years is recharging? If i could 'recharge' my EV in 10mins and do so pretty much anywhere in the country, I'd already have one as would most people. But you cant and this is something you dont seem to understand.

Even if I only travel >600kms a few times a year, an EV is useless to me. I dont want to buy a car that can do 'most' of my driving needs. If it cant do all I want, I wont buy it hence no EV for me at present.

Ok so for u a electric car isn't suitable yet. That's fine.

Last month every 33 car sold in the world was a electric vehicle, 10 years ago it was every 100000 car so something isn't adding up.
As the thread says Electric cars r here to stay.
The average Australian goes 40km's a day, most families have a second vehical, it can be replaced.
If ev's start being sold u think no one will start suppling chargers ?

Almost all ev owners charge overnight at home, never goto a gas station or charger again. again thats every 33 car sold in the world not just a few.

You still have it in your head its 3 hours to charge but if u own a Tesla and do 1000km's in a day its a 35min stop in the middle to charge, if they sell lots of cars here they will install more chargers.
The biggest thing to me is that every electric car on the road is less oil bought from the middle east and better air to breath, especially in the cities.
So that's a shame they don't suit you yet, but don't be sad about it, a few more years and recharge time will be sorted (300kw chargers being installed now) .

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Re: Electric cars are here to stay...
Reply #238 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:00pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:09pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 9:49am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:28pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Read and learn...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

Yes indeed, according to the article less than 1% of owners it might take 5 mins longer becouse of the software taking over and slowing down supercharging to preserve the battery.
Was a year ago and the new Model3 batteries it doesn’t happen at all.
Still for most it’s 594km or range and then a 35 min charge to get 300 , maybe less than 1% will take 40 mins charge to get to 1000km, if it’s just the right conditions.
Thanks for the article

Still waiting where Tesla say that supercharging will degrade the battery. I’m waiting with pleasure week

Please, please go buy an EV and experience the real world of charging it. Superchargers are almost nowhere and even then, it takes a long time.

you are like every other zealot in any field. You are a moron.

Except adalaide to brisbane of course, and again with the insults, I guess if your not to sure about yourself it’s easy to use names, it’s ok I understand Wink

A handful of superchargers is not enough. What if I roll up to one need a charge and there are three people in front of me? at 3 hours a person, this could take a while. Meanwhile, my travelling companions in their petrol car are refuelled and 12 hours ahead of me. And when they want to go off the main highway they can while I cannot.

just wondering , how often do u drive more than 600km's in a day ? and do u have a second car ?

More often than you think. And even more in the 450km range. But you are always missing the point which is not how far a charge can go but how long it takes to REcharge. And I dont want a car where I have to plant where, when and how long it ill take because there are no superchargers around. It would be like driving 600kms know that there is one petrol bowser along the way. I cant take side roads. I cant alter my plans. Do you not get that the ENTIRE REASON EVs havent dominated the market for the last 10 years is recharging? If i could 'recharge' my EV in 10mins and do so pretty much anywhere in the country, I'd already have one as would most people. But you cant and this is something you dont seem to understand.

Even if I only travel >600kms a few times a year, an EV is useless to me. I dont want to buy a car that can do 'most' of my driving needs. If it cant do all I want, I wont buy it hence no EV for me at present.

Ok so for u a electric car isn't suitable yet. That's fine.

Last month every 33 car sold in the world was a electric vehicle, 10 years ago it was every 100000 car so something isn't adding up.
As the thread says Electric cars r here to stay.
The average Australian goes 40km's a day, most families have a second vehical, it can be replaced.
If ev's start being sold u think no one will start suppling chargers ?

Almost all ev owners charge overnight at home, never goto a gas station or charger again. again thats every 33 car sold in the world not just a few.

You still have it in your head its 3 hours to charge but if u own a Tesla and do 1000km's in a day its a 35min stop in the middle to charge, if they sell lots of cars here they will install more chargers.
The biggest thing to me is that every electric car on the road is less oil bought from the middle east and better air to breath, especially in the cities.
So that's a shame they don't suit you yet, but don't be sad about it, a few more years and recharge time will be sorted (300kw chargers being installed now) .

No, that isnt true at all. You keep quoting this garbage but it ISNT TRUE.

1) you cannot charge a 100Kwhr battery in 35 mins without a 200Kw connection and Tesla limits charging to well below that rate.
2) the supercharger needs to be like a petrol station. Everywhere. Multiple pumps. easily. If I want to be limited to a few roads then I can take a bus
3) you assume that you role up to the supercharger and it is not being used. Ever been to a petrol station and had to queue? Its bad enough queuing for people who take 10mins. Its another thing for people who will take 2 hours.

If all I did was commute, I still wouldnt buy an EV. Id buy a very small, very cheap gutless petrol car as so many actually do.

When you actually buy an EV I will be both impressed... and surprised.

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Re: Electric cars are here to stay...
Reply #239 - May 2^nd, 2018 at 2:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 1:00pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 12:09pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 9:49am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 6:28pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 5:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 3:38pm:

Read and learn...

https://electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

Yes indeed, according to the article less than 1% of owners it might take 5 mins longer becouse of the software taking over and slowing down supercharging to preserve the battery.
Was a year ago and the new Model3 batteries it doesn’t happen at all.
Still for most it’s 594km or range and then a 35 min charge to get 300 , maybe less than 1% will take 40 mins charge to get to 1000km, if it’s just the right conditions.
Thanks for the article

Still waiting where Tesla say that supercharging will degrade the battery. I’m waiting with pleasure week

Please, please go buy an EV and experience the real world of charging it. Superchargers are almost nowhere and even then, it takes a long time.

you are like every other zealot in any field. You are a moron.

Except adalaide to brisbane of course, and again with the insults, I guess if your not to sure about yourself it’s easy to use names, it’s ok I understand Wink

A handful of superchargers is not enough. What if I roll up to one need a charge and there are three people in front of me? at 3 hours a person, this could take a while. Meanwhile, my travelling companions in their petrol car are refuelled and 12 hours ahead of me. And when they want to go off the main highway they can while I cannot.

just wondering , how often do u drive more than 600km's in a day ? and do u have a second car ?

More often than you think. And even more in the 450km range. But you are always missing the point which is not how far a charge can go but how long it takes to REcharge. And I dont want a car where I have to plant where, when and how long it ill take because there are no superchargers around. It would be like driving 600kms know that there is one petrol bowser along the way. I cant take side roads. I cant alter my plans. Do you not get that the ENTIRE REASON EVs havent dominated the market for the last 10 years is recharging? If i could 'recharge' my EV in 10mins and do so pretty much anywhere in the country, I'd already have one as would most people. But you cant and this is something you dont seem to understand.

Even if I only travel >600kms a few times a year, an EV is useless to me. I dont want to buy a car that can do 'most' of my driving needs. If it cant do all I want, I wont buy it hence no EV for me at present.

Ok so for u a electric car isn't suitable yet. That's fine.

Last month every 33 car sold in the world was a electric vehicle, 10 years ago it was every 100000 car so something isn't adding up.
As the thread says Electric cars r here to stay.
The average Australian goes 40km's a day, most families have a second vehical, it can be replaced.
If ev's start being sold u think no one will

You still have it in your head its 3 hours to charge but if u own a Tesla and do 1000km's in a day its a 35min stop in the middle to charge, if they sell lots of cars here they will install more chargers.
The biggest thing to me is that every electric car on the road is less oil bought from the middle east and better air to breath, especially in the cities.
So that's a shame they don't suit you yet, but don't be sad about it, a few more years and recharge time will be sorted (300kw chargers being installed now) .

No, that isnt true at all. You keep quoting this garbage but it ISNT TRUE.

1) you cannot charge a 100Kwhr battery in 35 mins without a 200Kw connection and Tesla limits charging to well below that rate.
2) the supercharger needs to be like a petrol station. Everywhere. Multiple pumps. easily. If I want to be limited to a few roads then I can take a bus
3) you assume that you role up to the supercharger and it is not being used. Ever been to a petrol station and had to queue? Its bad enough queuing for

If all I did was commute, I still wouldnt buy an EV. Id buy a very small, very cheap gutless petrol car as so many actually do.

When you actually buy an EV I will be both impressed... and surprised.

Well a S has a range of 600 kms , 120 kw charger is 20 kw every 10 mins. 35 mins is 70 kw, that’s 400km range so that’s 1000 kms with a 35 min break.

Now a 300 kw charger would do that in 14 mins.

queues won’t be so big if most cars r recharged at home
, so far Tesla have been keeping ahead of demand with expanding there Chargers, I don’t know why it would change.

Well that’s fine u would buy a cheep clunker but lots of families don’t and buy new cars. There will be second hand electric cars around, in USA u can get cheep ones.
Yes evs don’t charge as quick and cost more , a few more years
And as oil goes up, scale brings price down, they will be answered too.

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