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Why the Leftie Utopians Cant Help You.
Feb 7th, 2018 at 7:18am
 
the meaning of life .
what you HAVE to accept.

Life is harsh
Life is harsh as F*kk.
Life is inherently unfair.

The great religions and all the heroic mythology upon which the west is built point to these facts.
You are going to die
There will be pain.
It will be one problem after another.

Christ and the buddha and the stoics and greek mythology all point to the neccessity of "accepting this" as you cannot transcend it if you wont accept it.

What happens if you wont accept it?
What happens if you think you can create a "utopia " here on earth.
This has been tried in the soviet, in maos china, in vietnam, in cambodia, in north korea.

It doesnt work.

If you dont accept it , heres what happens.

Problems and pain and suffering will be delievered to your doorstep and because you didnt accept it, you will become resentful
you will become desperate
you will become angry
you will become bitter
you will become depressed
you will become nihilistic.

The leftie socialist intellectuals BY NECCESSITY have to reject the ideas of christianity because the hero in the story carried a cross and then got nailed to it.

and they cant accept that (and with good reason).

and in their non acceptance, they just dig for themselves a bigger hole.

because acceptance of pain is neccessary for growth.
if you cant accept that their is pain and malevolence in the world (and especially if you dont make your children aware of this) then you are naive and you are raising naive children.

and what happens when a naive person encounters pain or evil.
they get traumatised in direct proportion to their naivety .

i dont know how many spartan boys got PTSD.
probably not that many.
PTSD is now running at 50 % in our military.
because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world.

anxiety and depression are running at record rates in young people.
because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world.

so make sure you embrace the fact that life is tragic and that you must never let this tragedy make you a victim.

the left, by rejecting this reality and encouraging victimhood are making people become weaker.
and this weakness is a step backwards from an evolutionary perspective.
for the first time in the long history of mankind, the species is not evolving but devolving.
nature will destroy a species which goes down that route.

the nuclear arms race is part of that idea that you can build a utopia where you are safe, but you just need one resentful and bitter person to trash that system
and no "belief system" is creating more resentful and bitter people then the current leftie socialist system.

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Reply #1 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:02am
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:29am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:02am:
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Reply #3 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:30am
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:29am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:02am:
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You are kidding right?



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Actually no he doesn't. You have to show evidence you are right.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:35am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:30am:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:29am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 8:02am:
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You are kidding right?



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Actually no he doesn't. You have to show evidence you are right.



i suppose the evidence would be the 10's of millions of people who died in sovet russia, in maos china, in the killing fields of cambodia, of starvation in north korea.
it seems a socialist utopia is quite murderous
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Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:00am
 
Socialism is not communism.
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Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:09am
 
Because they can't get pas the assumption made by some that any 'leftie' idea is somehow Utopian and thus unworkable, when the reality is that all civilised and functional governments and economies operate as a symbiosis of capitalism and socialism?

You can lead a horse lover to water... but you can't make him drink....

Now if you wish to discuss genuine Utopians and then genuine societies as separate issues - I'm all ears.
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Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:13am
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:09am:
Because they can't get pas the assumption made by some that any 'leftie' idea is somehow Utopian and thus unworkable, when the reality is that all civilised and functional governments and economies operate as a symbiosis of capitalism and socialism?
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As a "leftie" I'm all for capitalism, but what history shows is that you still need some socialist aspects to stop capitalism getting out of control.
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aquascoot wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 7:18am:
the meaning of life .
what you HAVE to accept.

Life is harsh
MINE ISN'T I LIVE IN AUSTRALIA IT'S HARDLY HARSH COMPARED WITH THE PAST OR LIFE IN OTHER COUNTRIES NOW IS IT. HUBRIS DOESN'T CUT IT.  TRY FACTS FOR A CHANGE.


Life is harsh as F*kk.
SEE ABOVE
Cheesy
Life is inherently unfair.
IT CAN BE BUT NOT NECESSARILY INHERENTLY SO.


The great religions and all the heroic mythology upon which the west is built point to these facts.
You are going to die
OH DEAR REALLY?  I WAS EXPECTING TO LIVE FOREVER.  HONESTLY EVERYTHING DIES.  FACT OF LIFE.


There will be pain.
REALLY?  PHYSICAL MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL NO DOUBT.  COMES WITH LIVING.  IT IS ALL PART OF LIFE.


It will be one problem after another.
REALLY?  WHAT MINUTE AFTER MINUTE?  DAY AFTER DAY?  WEEK AFTER WEEK?  MONTH AFTER MONTH? YEAR AFTER YEAR?  A LITTLE LONGER PERHAPS...  WHICH ONE OF THESE.  MAN IS A PROBLEM SOLVER.  A LACK OF PROBLEMS WOULD STARVE OUR MINDS OF THE ABILITY TO THINK AND ADAPT.


Christ and the buddha and the stoics and greek mythology all point to the neccessity of "accepting this" as you cannot transcend it if you wont accept it.
REALLY?  YOU NEED TO READ MORE.


What happens if you wont accept it?
YOU MAY JUST CHANGE THINGS AND TRIUMPH OVER ADVERSITY.


What happens if you think you can create a "utopia " here on earth.
NOTHING.  THINKING SELDOM DOES ANYTHING WITHOUT THE ASSOCIATED ACTIONS. A "UTOPIA" IS QUITE POSSIBLY A VERY FINE ASPIRATION.  YET ONE MAN'S "UTOPIA" MAY WELL BE ANOTHER'S HELL.


This has been tried in the soviet, in maos china, in vietnam, in cambodia, in north korea.
I DON'T CALL DIFFERENT SOCIAL SYSTEM UTOPIAS SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE.


It doesnt work.
OBVIOUSLY THEY DO WORK.  OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE NOT ALL TO EVERYONE'S TASTE...  SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE.


If you dont accept it , heres what happens.
OH GOODY
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Problems and pain and suffering will be delievered to your doorstep and because you didnt accept it, you will become resentful
you will become desperate
you will become angry
you will become bitter
you will become depressed
you will become nihilistic.
OH DEAR...  SEE MY COMMENT RE CHANGE.  HISTORY SHOWS THAT CHANGE IS THE ONLY CONSTANT.


The leftie socialist intellectuals BY NECCESSITY have to reject the ideas of christianity because the hero in the story carried a cross and then got nailed to it.
OH DEAR WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP.  A TOTALLY ILLOGICAL CONFLATION.


and they cant accept that (and with good reason).
DO TELL
  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

and in their non acceptance, they just dig for themselves a bigger hole.
DEPENDS ON THE SOCIETY THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN


because acceptance of pain is neccessary for growth.
RUBBISH...


if you cant accept that their is pain and malevolence in the world (and especially if you dont make your children aware of this) then you are naive and you are raising naive children.
MORE RUBBISH


and what happens when a naive person encounters pain or evil.
OOH...  WHAT?

they get traumatised in direct proportion to their naivety .
AND MORE RUBBISH...  HUMANS WOULD FIRST OF ALL RUN AWAY OR AVOID IT.  CHANGE IT, OR TOLERATE IT, ETC...  THERE IS NO PROPORTIONALITY


i dont know how many spartan boys got PTSD.
probably not that many.
DIFFERENT TIMES, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, YOU ARE A PRODUCT OF YOUR TIMES.


PTSD is now running at 50 % in our military.
because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world.
RUBBISH...  SEE ABOVE.


anxiety and depression are running at record rates in young people.because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world.
PEOPLE THESE DAYS ARE MORE AWARE AND EDUCATED ON THE WORLD AND OTHER PEOPLE'S THAN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN BEFORE.


so make sure you embrace the fact that life is tragic and that you must never let this tragedy make you a victim.
SO YOU ARE A TOTAL PESSIMIST ARE YOU?  IF THAT'S HOW YOU COPE, FINE.  i CHOOSE TO BE A REALIST AND AN OPTIMIST.
 

the left, by rejecting this reality and encouraging victimhood are making people become weaker.
IT IS NOT STRICTLY A LEFT/RIGHT THING, THOUGH VICTIMHOOD IS A TOOL USED BY LW PC PROGRESSIVES TO FURTHER THEIR POLITICAL AGENDAS.

and this weakness is a step backwards from an evolutionary perspective. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
for the first time in the long history of mankind, the species is not evolving but devolving. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
nature will destroy a species which goes down that route. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

the nuclear arms race is part of that idea that you can build a utopia where you are safe, but you just need one resentful and bitter person to trash that system
and no "belief system" is creating more resentful and bitter people then the current leftie socialist system.
RUBBISH...  SEE MY COMMENT RE "UTOPIAS"
YOU SCOOT HAVE A WEIRD VIEW OF THE WORLD AND YOUR FELLOW MAN WERE YOU EVER INSTITUTIONALISED AND IF NOT WHY NOT?


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Reply #9 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:32am
 
I've seen victimhood used by RW types too.


Bolt claims victimhood all the time.
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Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:41am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:00am:
Socialism is not communism.


the marxists always assume that if given power, they would do it better.
thats why they are exactly the sorts of people who shouldnt be given power.
and you dont think that part of the lefts motivation is a will for totalitarian control?
cause i do  Wink Wink
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[quote author=grendel link=1517951911/8#8 date=1517959847][quote author=aquascoot link=1517951911/0#0 date=1517951911]the meaning of life .
what you HAVE to accept.

Life is harsh
MINE ISN'T I LIVE IN AUSTRALIA IT'S HARDLY HARSH COMPARED WITH THE PAST OR LIFE IN OTHER COUNTRIES NOW IS IT. HUBRIS DOESN'T CUT IT.  TRY FACTS FOR A CHANGE.


Life is harsh as F*kk.
SEE ABOVE
Cheesy
Life is inherently unfair.
IT CAN BE BUT NOT NECESSARILY INHERENTLY SO.


The great religions and all the heroic mythology upon which the west is built point to these facts.
You are going to die
OH DEAR REALLY?  I WAS EXPECTING TO LIVE FOREVER.  HONESTLY EVERYTHING DIES.  FACT OF LIFE.


There will be pain.
REALLY?  PHYSICAL MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL NO DOUBT.  COMES WITH LIVING.  IT IS ALL PART OF LIFE.


It will be one problem after another.
REALLY?  WHAT MINUTE AFTER MINUTE?  DAY AFTER DAY?  WEEK AFTER WEEK?  MONTH AFTER MONTH? YEAR AFTER YEAR?  A LITTLE LONGER PERHAPS...  WHICH ONE OF THESE.  MAN IS A PROBLEM SOLVER.  A LACK OF PROBLEMS WOULD STARVE OUR MINDS OF THE ABILITY TO THINK AND ADAPT.


Christ and the buddha and the stoics and greek mythology all point to the neccessity of "accepting this" as you cannot transcend it if you wont accept it.
REALLY?  YOU NEED TO READ MORE.


What happens if you wont accept it?
YOU MAY JUST CHANGE THINGS AND TRIUMPH OVER ADVERSITY.


What happens if you think you can create a "utopia " here on earth.
NOTHING.  THINKING SELDOM DOES ANYTHING WITHOUT THE ASSOCIATED ACTIONS. A "UTOPIA" IS QUITE POSSIBLY A VERY FINE ASPIRATION.  YET ONE MAN'S "UTOPIA" MAY WELL BE ANOTHER'S HELL.


This has been tried in the soviet, in maos china, in vietnam, in cambodia, in north korea.
I DON'T CALL DIFFERENT SOCIAL SYSTEM UTOPIAS SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE.


It doesnt work.
OBVIOUSLY THEY DO WORK.  OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE NOT ALL TO EVERYONE'S TASTE...  SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE.


If you dont accept it , heres what happens.
OH GOODY
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Problems and pain and suffering will be delievered to your doorstep and because you didnt accept it, you will become resentful
you will become desperate
you will become angry
you will become bitter
you will become depressed
you will become nihilistic.
OH DEAR...  SEE MY COMMENT RE CHANGE.  HISTORY SHOWS THAT CHANGE IS THE ONLY CONSTANT.


The leftie socialist intellectuals BY NECCESSITY have to reject the ideas of christianity because the hero in the story carried a cross and then got nailed to it.
OH DEAR WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP.  A TOTALLY ILLOGICAL CONFLATION.


and they cant accept that (and with good reason).
DO TELL
  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

and in their non acceptance, they just dig for themselves a bigger hole.
DEPENDS ON THE SOCIETY THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN


because acceptance of pain is neccessary for growth.
RUBBISH...


if you cant accept that their is pain and malevolence in the world (and especially if you dont make your children aware of this) then you are naive and you are raising naive children.
MORE RUBBISH


and what happens when a naive person encounters pain or evil.
OOH...  WHAT?

they get traumatised in direct proportion to their naivety .
AND MORE RUBBISH...  HUMANS WOULD FIRST OF ALL RUN AWAY OR AVOID IT.  CHANGE IT, OR TOLERATE IT, ETC...  THERE IS NO PROPORTIONALITY


i dont know how many spartan boys got PTSD.
probably not that many.
DIFFERENT TIMES, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, YOU ARE A PRODUCT OF YOUR TIMES.


PTSD is now running at 50 % in our military.
because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world.
RUBBISH...  SEE ABOVE.


anxiety and depression are running at record rates in young people.because we arent teaching people the true nature of the world.
PEOPLE THESE DAYS ARE MORE AWARE AND EDUCATED ON THE WORLD AND OTHER PEOPLE'S THAN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN BEFORE.


so make sure you embrace the fact that life is tragic and that you must never let this tragedy make you a victim.
SO YOU ARE A TOTAL PESSIMIST ARE YOU?  IF THAT'S HOW YOU COPE, FINE.  i CHOOSE TO BE A REALIST AND AN OPTIMIST.
 

the left, by rejecting this reality and encouraging victimhood are making people become weaker.
IT IS NOT STRICTLY A LEFT/RIGHT THING, THOUGH VICTIMHOOD IS A TOOL USED BY LW PC PROGRESSIVES TO FURTHER THEIR POLITICAL AGENDAS.


the nuclear arms race is part of that idea that you can build a utopia where you are safe, but you just need one resentful and bitter person to trash that system
and no "belief system" is creating more resentful and bitter people then the current leftie socialist system.
RUBBISH...  SEE MY COMMENT RE "UTOPIAS"
YOU SCOOT HAVE A WEIRD VIEW OF THE WORLD AND YOUR FELLOW MAN WERE YOU EVER INSTITUTIONALISED AND IF NOT WHY NOT?

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some ggod points in there. but i would dispute that modern societies are more educated about the world then ever before. i think they are more prone to just following the path of least resistance and pleasuring themselves. the mental health and obesity stats agree
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Reply #12 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:04am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:32am:
I've seen victimhood used by RW types too.


Bolt claims victimhood all the time.

LOL

But to be honest it is mostly used by the progressive Left.
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some ggod points in there. but i would dispute that modern societies are more educated about the world then ever before.


It is patently obvious scoot that unless you live in the 3rd world your understanding of the world and the standard of education is much better than it has ever been in our history.

people used to think the world was flat.
people thought if you travelled to far you'd reach the end of the world.
people were unaware of other people's and countries across the seas.

Etc, etc, etc...
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Reply #14 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:06am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:04am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:32am:
I've seen victimhood used by RW types too.


Bolt claims victimhood all the time.

LOL

But to be honest it is mostly used by the progressive Left.



I view it as a 50/50 share.
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