Setanta wrote on Feb 9
th, 2018 at 1:07pm:
@yadda
There is a difference between believing something and not believing something.
Setanta,
I have come to the very same conclusion! [wink]
And, i believe some things.
And other things, i do not believe.
A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence.
- David Hume
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Setanta wrote on Feb 9
th, 2018 at 1:07pm:
I do not believe what people have told me, I do not believe god exists, it's a lack of belief.
If what some people tell me, is contrary to the evidence that i can see 'in the world', then i often choose not to believe what people have told me.
A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence.
- David Hume
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Setanta wrote on Feb 9
th, 2018 at 1:07pm:
Believing something is a positive affirmation, not believing is a negative.
A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence.
- David Hume
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Setanta wrote on Feb 9
th, 2018 at 1:07pm:
If someone told you that there were fairies in your garden would you believe they didn't exist or just choose not believe what the person said?
If i was you, clearly, i would choose not believe what the person said. [wink]
A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence.
- David Hume
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Setanta wrote on Feb 9
th, 2018 at 1:07pm:
I can't know that a god of some sort does not exist but I do not believe what people have told me about their gods. I hope you can see the difference.
Setanta,
No one really knows or is certain, about what our real circumstances are.
We come into this world as naive and uninformed beings, as small uninformed children.
And as we grow in knowledge
and [our own] experience, we each come to some sense of an 'informed' but limited understanding, of the nature of the reality that we find ourselves in.
We 'do' science [in our 'consciousness'], as we learn about the world, and the 'heavens' around us.
We simply build supposition, upon supposition, as we undertake our pilgrimage in this world.
But what is the true nature of this reality, which we seem to be experiencing ?
Does any human being lay claim to know ?
I certainly do not know.
But i certainly do not dismiss the knowledge, or the experience, of new things which challenge my current beliefs and understanding.
You said.....
"I do not believe what people have told me about their gods."There is nothing at all wrong with embracing a healthy degree of scepticism, when 'interfacing' with men/mankind, imo.
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"O ye who believe!
Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102
"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65
"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33
Setanta,
I'm a person who is always asking questions.
And yet, i have come to a 'place' where i can easily say, that i believe in, and i fear, and i love,
the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
And everyday i still seek [for] him.
Everyday, i walk in this world, imperfectly seeking the God that i love.
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Setanta,
Q.If there is a God [wink], why does God 'hide himself' from mankind ?
Q.If a person wanted to search for [in order to 'find' and to know God],
what 'prerequisite' would that person firstly need to be in possession of, in order to have an improved chance of 'finding' him ?
Isaiah 45:15
Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
Amos 3:3
Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Leviticus 11:44
For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy:....
Leviticus 19:2
Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.
Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
Deuteronomy 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
James 4:8
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you....
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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435998745/0#0 Quote:
We have no power, to choose God.
It is God who chooses us.