Setanta wrote on Feb 8
th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 8
th, 2018 at 10:15pm:
A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence.
- David Hume
How does that leave your "
faith" Yada?
Setanta,
I see no conflict, in that quote, and with my faith.
Setanta,
Atheist believe that God does not exist.
And atheists believe that the reality which
they experience, provides sufficient evidence for all rational persons, to then conclude, that a creator God does not exist.
QUESTION/PROPOSITION;On what basis,
in knowledge, can an atheist presume to 'know' or even 'believe', that there is no God ?
QUESTION;Are atheists [men], omniscient beings ?
Dictionary;
omniscient = = knowing everything.I would offer that men are not omniscient beings.
So, with men not being omniscient, logically, for a group of individuals, to categorically state that they are 99% certain, that there is no unseen realm, and no creator God,
isn't that proposition [in logic]
wildly presumptuous ???
Dictionary;
presumptuous = = failing to observe the limits of what is permitted or appropriate.Yadda said somewhere....
Quote:
Because the atheist has had no experience of a spiritual realm, does that [lack of 'experience'] establish the 'impossibility', of the existence of a spiritual realm?
And would the reasonable person, require that 'rational' community members must accept, only the atheists perceptions of what 'reality' 'is' ?
And, to an atheist, is any differing experience [of another person] always going to be invalid,
...because the atheist has not shared ['known'] such an experience?
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Take the example of the existence of radio waves;
500 years ago, radio waves effectively did not exist [within the human experience].
Why?
Because we humans cannot see 'invisible' radio waves.
But today, a human being of average intelligence, would not dream of claiming that radio waves do not exist.
AND SO, LOGICALLY,
Even today [in this technological age], there must exist, the real possibility that there are many real phenomena [even which still exist within 'nature'] which our human senses [and our present technology] cannot perceive.
Only an arrogant person would deny any possibility, of any other, ...'reality' being possible.
OR CONTRAWISE, are atheists suggesting [i.e. are they going to try to impose the 'belief'], that only the experience of the majority of mankind, can be a basis for defining our reality, absolutely?
And are atheists suggesting that because our human senses [still] cannot perceive as yet, undiscovered 'phenomena',
or are they suggesting that because we have not yet created a machine which can sense them, that we should always dismiss any possibility of the existence of those 'things', which as yet, remain undiscovered,
and which as yet, remain unknown to the perception and comprehension, of the common man ?
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"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare
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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225016818/44#44 Quote:
I admit it, yes, i am a little strange.
And in confirmation of the 'strange' part, i believe that,
Angels are real.
Demons are real.
God is real [yes, my 'imaginary friend', the one from the bible].
Satan is real.
I believe that all of these entities are spirit.
I believe that [atm!] demons are largely constrained [and for the most part, are they unable to harm us].
I believe that all mankind are [also] spirits who are [somehow] constrained within these physical [earthen] bodies [until we die].
I believe that this physical 'reality', is a form of prison for us.
....or perhaps more accurately, compulsory 'school time'.
I also believe that this physical world is a 'construct' [a creation, a 'reality'] made by God.
We,
ourselves, can 'open' ourselves, to the harmful influence of demons [by doing stupid and evil things!] .
If you want protection, from malevolent and harmful [unseen] forces, 1/
read the bible, and 2/
pray to God,
and 3/ ask for his protection.
Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1507152247/9#9