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Re: New senator joins Liberal
Reply #60 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 8:26pm

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 6:00am:

matty wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Family First were always just like a Liberal sub branch.

Not a real surprise but disappointing anyway to see one more on the nasty low life side of politics.

'The low life side of politics' is redundant because it applies to both Labor and Liberal. Don't even try to tell me that one is worse or better than the other. Labor is full of useless Union hacks and Liberals useless former staffers, never done a real day's work in their life. Of course you have exceptions lik Mike Kelly (Labor) and Jim Molan (Liberal) but unfortunately they're the exception, not the rule.

Yes many of them are career politicians. There are often a lot of lawyers on both sides and as with Gillard they often have bad form for something.

Unfortunately the only real qualification for politics is a campaign budget via a party the bigger the party the bigger the budget. In a marginal seat it can easily cost hundreds of thousands to win just to run you need a big deposit which you only get back after enough votes (to stop everybody running).

It's not just the lawyers. Many of the politicians from both major parties are ex-staffers. They have hardly any real-world experience between them.

We have seen a breakout from the duopoly recently and that is good to see. We have had several independents elected in the past 25 years. A good local independent can break the duopoly. We need more of them.

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Re: New senator joins Liberal
Reply #62 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 9:23pm

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 8:14pm:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 6:00am:

matty wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Family First were always just like a Liberal sub branch.

Not a real surprise but disappointing anyway to see one more on the nasty low life side of politics.

'The low life side of politics' is redundant because it applies to both Labor and Liberal. Don't even try to tell me that one is worse or better than the other. Labor is full of useless Union hacks and Liberals useless former staffers, never done a real day's work in their life. Of course you have exceptions lik Mike Kelly (Labor) and Jim Molan (Liberal) but unfortunately they're the exception, not the rule.

Yes many of them are career politicians. There are often a lot of lawyers on both sides and as with Gillard they often have bad form for something.

Unfortunately the only real qualification for politics is a campaign budget via a party the bigger the party the bigger the budget. In a marginal seat it can easily cost hundreds of thousands to win just to run you need a big deposit which you only get back after enough votes (to stop everybody running).

Good post, spot on. And with those in Labor who are lawyers, they're mostly Union lawyers.

No probs I have views in life and some align with some parties some align with none of them and I usually look for the path of least destruction in elections. Many here are ideological turdbags in one direction or the other.

In business and politics money talks and bs walks .... look after the economy and everything else does not matter. The last time the ALP were in power they did everything but look after the economy. For the ALP everything after that looked like a mistake or incompetence !

Same, I will just never understand those who blindly follow one party, regardless of what they do and how far they stray from their origin. I used to be a signed-up member of the Liberal party, but I left after they knifed Abbott and I realised what a bunch of hypocritcal self-serving scum they were. It would be a loooong time before I ever voted for either major again. Last election I put both dead last on my senate paper before the greens.

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Re: New senator joins Liberal
Reply #63 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 9:29pm

Bam wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 8:18pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 8:52am:

she probably won't get re-elected.

Correct ... she's in the 3-year group for South Australia:

Anne Ruston (Lib)
David Fawcett (Lib)
Lucy Gichuhi (Lib)

Alex Gallacher (Lab)

Skye Kakoschke-Moore (NXT)

Sarah Hanson-Young (Greens)

She would most likely be third on the Liberals' Senate ticket, which would be an unwinnable seat. The Liberals got 32.58% of the primary vote at the last election. That would give 2.28 quotas with six members up for election. That is unlikely to give three seats.

On the other hand, Labor are likely to gain a seat because they would be defending only one seat and they got 27.32% of the vote, or 1.91 quotas. Two seats would be likely, possibly at the expense of Hanson-Young.

If the 2016 election results were repeated, the likely Senate result in South Australia would be: Liberal 2, Labor 2, NXT 2. Gichuhi would lose her seat (as would Hanson-Young). Labor and NXT would gain a seat each.

If there's a swing to Labor, Labor would get two quotas and would have a surplus to distribute to the Greens. If that happened, Hanson Young (Greens) could take the final SA seat if she outpolls the second NXT candidate. If that happened, the results would then be: Liberal 2, Labor 2, NXT 1, Greens 1.

The only other minor party that would have a chance in SA would be Bernardi's Australian Conservatives, but I don't see them getting enough support to take a seat unless they outpolled the Greens and NXT's second candidate.

I think that Cory will almost certainly be re-elected, but not sure whether he has a six or three year term. He was elected a Liberal on a six-year term but not sure how that works since he defected, whether it remains six or becomes three.

I agree that Lucy would be unlikely to be re-elected as I can't see the Libs getting three senators at a half-election. On a different matter I think that it is a bit unfair people having a go at her for becoming a Liberal. I don't like the Libs one bit at the moment but that is besides the point here. Yes I am one of those people who rightly think that it's wrong for someone to be elected under one banner and then join another once elected, and yes that applies to Cory as much as I like him. However with her it is a completely different because she was elected (or rather put in as second place on the ticket) to a party that no longer exists. It is defunct as it merged with the Australian Conervatives. She couldn't be a member of a party that no longer exists so she had to be something.

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Re: New senator joins Liberal
Reply #64 - Feb 5^th, 2018 at 9:33pm

Bam wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 8:26pm:

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 6:00am:

matty wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 7:49pm:

Family First were always just like a Liberal sub branch.

Not a real surprise but disappointing anyway to see one more on the nasty low life side of politics.

'The low life side of politics' is redundant because it applies to both Labor and Liberal. Don't even try to tell me that one is worse or better than the other. Labor is full of useless Union hacks and Liberals useless former staffers, never done a real day's work in their life. Of course you have exceptions lik Mike Kelly (Labor) and Jim Molan (Liberal) but unfortunately they're the exception, not the rule.

Yes many of them are career politicians. There are often a lot of lawyers on both sides and as with Gillard they often have bad form for something.

Unfortunately the only real qualification for politics is a campaign budget via a party the bigger the party the bigger the budget. In a marginal seat it can easily cost hundreds of thousands to win just to run you need a big deposit which you only get back after enough votes (to stop everybody running).

It's not just the lawyers. Many of the politicians from both major parties are ex-staffers. They have hardly any real-world experience between them.

We have seen a breakout from the duopoly recently and that is good to see. We have had several independents elected in the past 25 years. A good local independent can break the duopoly. We need more of them.

That is what I said and I think that is what Fred meant too, just also that a lot are lawyers.

Both majors take us for mugs and just pre-selecting the same old same old - ex-staffers and in Labor's case Union hacks.

That is the thing, we need more independents but independents who genuinely are independent and don't lean towards one side or another. Love himor hate him Derryn Hinch is probably the only one who is completely unaligned to either major, he looks at each issue on its merit and voted according to his principles and party platform. I wouldn't say that Lambie is a Labor lovey by any stretch but she seems to have it in for the Libs.

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Re: New senator joins Liberal
Reply #65 - Feb 6^th, 2018 at 3:32pm

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:

I think that Cory will almost certainly be re-elected, but not sure whether he has a six or three year term. He was elected a Liberal on a six-year term but not sure how that works since he defected, whether it remains six or becomes three.

Bernardi has a six-year term because he was placed high on the Liberal ticket. He was in the first six by both the order-elected method and the recount method.

The only way he would have a three-year term would be if the Senate voted to redivide itself. That's highly unlikely and constitutionally dubious.

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