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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122653 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Cabinet files security breach Reply #15 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:01pm Aussie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:58pm: It absolutely does. Read it. I give up - please quote me the text about top secret documents.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122653 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Cabinet files security breach Reply #16 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:08pm Anyway Aussie - you're the lawyer - can the ABC journalists be charged with treason?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Cabinet files security breach Reply #17 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:13pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:08pm: Anyway Aussie - you're the lawyer - can the ABC journalists be charged with treason? Nope. Treason only applies in certain circumstances, Bobby. The ABC case would not fulfil the requirements under the legislation.
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Reply #18 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:58pm:

It absolutely does. Read it.

I give up - please quote me the text about top secret documents.

There is no section about top secret documents, Bobby. Those papers (whatever is written on them) are things capable of being stolen and they have been, and the ABC has received stolen property.

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Reply #19 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:08pm:

Anyway Aussie - you're the lawyer -

can the ABC journalists be charged with treason?

Nope. Treason only applies in certain circumstances, Bobby. The ABC case would not fulfil the requirements under the legislation. Roll Eyes

Treason.

I can't get this link to work
http___www.aphref.aph.gov.au_house_committee_pjcis_securityleg_report_chapter4.pdf

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Assisting the enemy
4.8 The offences under paragraph 80.1(e)-(f) apply where a person
intentionally ‘assists’ an enemy at war with Australia, or a country or
organisation in armed hostilities with the ADF.

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21993 Gordon Gender:	Re: Cabinet files security breach Reply #20 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:01pm The guy who found them in the cabinet will be investigated and probably charged.
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Reply #21 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:15pm

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s department has launched an “urgent investigation” into how two filing cabinets containing classified and sensitive government documents were mistakenly sold at a second hand furniture shop in Canberra.
In an extraordinary lapse of security, the documents, which include federal cabinet papers that should not be made public for 20 years, were apparently bought by a member of the public and eventually passed on to the ABC.

WTF!!! The original article didn't say that. Wong is a retard!

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Reply #22 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:00pm

These documents will certainly start a few debates....What I don't understand is how documents from the Abbott Government got into Penny Wong's filing cabinet???

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Former prime minister Tony Abbott ignored the advice of his own department and the Australian Government Solicitor (AGS) when he ordered confidential cabinet documents be handed to the home insulation royal commission.

Mr Abbott promised the controversial inquiry into Labor's home insulation scheme during the 2013 election campaign.

Once in office, his decision to break the century-old doctrine of cabinet confidentiality and hand over Labor's cabinet documents sparked the alarm of the opposition and past prime ministers of both persuasions.

At the time, the attorney-general said the decision was based on the advice of the AGS.

But documents show both the AGS and the secretary of the prime minister's own department warned Mr Abbott against it.

"We think it would be highly undesirable (and legally confounding) if the Commonwealth were to simply produce cabinet-related documents to the royal commission on the basis of a purported waiver of public interest immunity," reads the undated advice from Tom Howe QC, chief counsel at the AGS.

"We consider that producing cabinet-related documents to any court or tribunal … would not accord with legal practice and principle.

"We are not aware of the Commonwealth ever having taken such an approach in relation to cabinet-related documents."

And now we know Abbott was a deceitful political opportunist....As if we needed proof???

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Reply #23 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:08pm:

Anyway Aussie - you're the lawyer -

can the ABC journalists be charged with treason?

Nope. Treason only applies in certain circumstances, Bobby. The ABC case would not fulfil the requirements under the legislation. Roll Eyes

Treason.

I can't get this link to work
http___www.aphref.aph.gov.au_house_committee_pjcis_securityleg_report_chapter4.pdf

Quote:

Assisting the enemy
4.8 The offences under paragraph 80.1(e)-(f) apply where a person
intentionally ‘assists’ an enemy at war with Australia, or a country or
organisation in armed hostilities with the ADF.

Try here, Bobby.

The key is that we need to be either under attack or at war with a foreign power for Treason to apply. Roll Eyes

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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90887 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Cabinet files security breach Reply #24 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:11pm Gordon wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 5:01pm: The guy who found them in the cabinet will be investigated and probably charged. Sounds like a movie plot....
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Cabinet files security breach Reply #25 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:16pm That last Labor government was an absolute fiasco from start to finish. Actually even after it's finish. What a joke of a party. They were once a great party who looked after the working man. Now it's all silly lezzos, soy boys and do-gooders. How bloody sad.
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Reply #26 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 4:08pm:

Anyway Aussie - you're the lawyer -

can the ABC journalists be charged with treason?

Nope. Treason only applies in certain circumstances, Bobby. The ABC case would not fulfil the requirements under the legislation. Roll Eyes

Treason.

I can't get this link to work
http___www.aphref.aph.gov.au_house_committee_pjcis_securityleg_report_chapter4.pdf

Quote:

Assisting the enemy
4.8 The offences under paragraph 80.1(e)-(f) apply where a person
intentionally ‘assists’ an enemy at war with Australia, or a country or
organisation in armed hostilities with the ADF.

Try here, Bobby.

The key is that we need to be either under attack or at war with a foreign power for Treason to apply. Roll Eyes

Thanks for the link.

It sounds like the information would be of interest to our enemies in a time of war.
Therefore it would assist our enemies.

Just in from the ABC 24 -
releasing that information could result in up to 20 years imprisonment.
No mention of treason.

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Reply #27 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 10:46pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 7:16pm:

That last Labor government was an absolute fiasco from start to finish. Actually even after it's finish. What a joke of a party. They were once a great party who looked after the working man. Now it's all silly lezzos, soy boys and do-gooders. How bloody sad.

I agree Labor were crap until you compare them the current mob of dickheads called the Coalition....You do realise it was the Turnbull Government that sold the secret files to a second hand store don't you???

Huh

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Cabinet files security breach Reply #28 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:07am Anything that was found in Wenny Pong's office would be just useless union controlled Labor crap like pink batts, and school halls, and downgrading education in school, and plans for their NeverBuiltNetwork, and other useless guff.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39953 Gender:	Re: Cabinet files security breach Reply #29 - Feb 1^st, 2018 at 11:52am ABC defends its release of confidential information as being in the 'national interest.' Bollocks. I'll bet they cannot name even one such interest served.
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