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"Two minutes to Midnight"
Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:11am
 
https://www.livescience.com/61526-doomsday-clock-update-2018.html?utm_source=not...

Today (Jan. 25), the clock has crept even closer to the zero hour. This morning, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (BAS) — an organization of science and policy experts who assess human scientific advancement and risk — revealed the clock's new "time," with the hands now standing at 2 minutes to midnight.

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...it reflects the breakdown of global efforts to reduce reliance on and risk of nuclear weapons; increased posturing and threats regarding the use of nuclear weapons; and an insufficient response worldwide to curb the impacts of climate change. [Apocalypse Now: The Gear You Need to Survive Doomsday]

It is not any one of those factors, but a combination of all of them — and the weakening of public faith in knowledgeable expert voices
— that prompted the change to the clock, Lawrence Krauss, chair of the BAS Board of Sponsors and director of the Origins Project at Arizona State University, told reporters.


This says it all. Too many armchair experts who prefer a simple explanation. You don't have to look far to find them.

1. Something drastic needs to happen in North Korea, and by drastic, I don't mean the "my button is bigger than yours" approach. A Chinese invasion may be the best option. (maybe the Chinese would have an issue with that)

2. Something drastic needs to happen in the US.  The current anti-science stance is destructive to both the US economy and the environment.
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Reply #1 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:17am
 
Hi John,
Guy McPherson - a scientist, says we have only 10 years left before
humans are extinct due to global warming -
and that was in 2016.



Guy McPherson - Human Extinction within 10 years


Niels van der Wolk
Published on Nov 25, 2016
Guy McPherson: "I can't imagine there will be a human on the planet in 10 years"

Humans are heading for mass extinction. Mankind has less then 10 years left according to climate change scientist Guy McPherson on World Newshub.

There's no point trying to fight climate change - we'll all be dead in the next decade and there's nothing we can do to stop it, a visiting scientist claims.

Guy McPherson, a biology professor at the University of Arizona, says the human destruction of our own habitat is leading towards the world's sixth mass extinction.

Instead of fighting, he says we should just embrace it and live life while we can.

"It's locked down, it's been locked in for a long time - we're in the midst of our sixth mass extinction," he told Paul Henry on Thursday.

But Professor James Renwick, a climate scientist at Victoria University, says people should not use his words more as an excuse to give up.

Govt appoints experts to tackle NZ's climate change problems
While he agrees that climate change is possibly the "biggest issue humanity has ever faced", he says "giving up is not really helpful".

Instead, Prof Renwick says he hopes Prof McPherson's 10-year claim will encourage people to take action.

"This is a really big issue and the consequences could be catastrophic," Prof Renwick says. "Though certainly [humans won't all die off] in 10 years or even 1000 years."

The effects of climate change were first noticed 30 years ago and Prof Renwick says the sooner we get onto working against it, the less there will be to do.

"I'd love to see [people] take it on board as it is a very serious issue."

Prof McPherson's comments come just days after Climate Change Issues Minister Paula Bennett appointed a 10-strong team to advise the Government on how New Zealand can adapt to climate change.

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But if the visiting professor is right, it could all be a waste of time.

"I can't imagine there will be a human on the planet in 10 years," he says.

"We don't have 10 years. The problem is when I give a number like that, people think it's going to be business as usual until nine years [and] 364 days."

He says part of the reason he's given up while other scientists fight on is because they're looking at individual parts, such as methane emissions and the melting ice in the Arctic, instead of the entire picture.

"We're heading for a temperature within that span that is at or near the highest temperature experienced on Earth in the last 2 billion years."

Instead of trying to fix the climate, Prof McPherson says we should focus on living while we can.

"I think hope is a horrible idea. Hope is wishful thinking. Hope is a bad idea - let's abandon that and get on with reality instead. Let's get on with living instead of wishing for the future that never comes.

NZ takes home 'Fossil of the Day' awards at Marrakech climate conference
"I encourage people to pursue excellence, to pursue love, to pursue what they love to do. I don't think these are crazy ideas, actually - and I also encourage people to remain calm because nothing is under control, certainly not under our control anyway."

New Zealand has been criticised by the international community for not doing enough to fight climate change - this month being awarded two Fossil of the Day awards at the UN Climate Change Conference in Marrakech.

The awards are for the country's failure to live up to climate promises and the continued use of "dodgy" carbon credits.
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Reply #2 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:24am
 
He's a denialist of a different kind. The "Let's just give up" approach justifies the status quo.

His prediction was not science based, and I doubt if too many people take him seriously anyway. Most of the world is making progress.  I just got back from Europe, and it was refreshing to see so much renewable energy generation. One impressive sight was offshore windmills, barely visible from the shore, but obviously enormous, and enough to power a large city. Even the UK reached 50% renewable energy generation last year.

Even given the worst possible scenario - If some of us can live in climate controlled environments and even grow crops in climate controlled environments, then humanity (at least some of us) will survive. We're even talking about a settlement on Mars by 2035.

For example, I'm more than self sufficient in vegetables at the moment, and most of these  are grown in controlled environments while the temperature outdoors rockets.
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Reply #3 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:27am
 
John_Taverner wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:24am:
He's a denialist of a different kind. The "Let's just give up" approach justifies the status quo.

His prediction was not science based, and I doubt if too many people take him seriously anyway. Most of the world is making progress.  I just got back from Europe, and it was refreshing to see so much renewable energy generation. One impressive sight was offshore windmills, barely visible from the shore, but enough to power a large city.



If AGW is correct then the Indians building a new coal fire power station every week
will more than offset any wind farms in Europe.
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Reply #4 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:37am
 
India is doing better than Australia:

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Renewable energy accounted for 18.37% of the total installed power capacity in India in 2017. India set a target of producing 40% of its total energy needs through renewable sources by 2030, as stated in its Intended Nationally Determined Contributions statement in the Paris Agreement.


www.ireda.gov.in/

I added to my first post while you were replying.
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Reply #5 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:49am
 
John_Taverner wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:37am:
India is doing better than Australia:

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Renewable energy accounted for 18.37% of the total installed power capacity in India in 2017. India set a target of producing 40% of its total energy needs through renewable sources by 2030, as stated in its Intended Nationally Determined Contributions statement in the Paris Agreement.


www.ireda.gov.in/

I added to my first post while you were replying.


It looks like India has changed their policy:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/india-solar-power-electricity-cancels-c...
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India has cancelled plans to build nearly 14 gigawatts of coal-fired power stations – about the same as the total amount in the UK – with the price for solar electricity “free falling” to levels once considered impossible.



Then again:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/03/forget-paris-1600-new-coal-power-plants-b...

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Over all, 1,600 coal plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries, according to Urgewald’s tally, which uses data from the Global Coal Plant Tracker portal. The new plants would expand the world’s coal-fired power capacity by 43 percent.

The fleet of new coal plants would make it virtually impossible to meet the goals set in the Paris climate accord, which aims to keep the increase in global temperatures from preindustrial levels below 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit.



Personally I have posted much evidence that we have already entered a cooling period of perhaps 10 years -
but it worries me as to what will happen after that cooling period.
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Reply #6 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:55am
 
have they cleaned up the Ganges bobby?
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just wondering... Sad
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Reply #7 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 9:01am
 
cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:55am:
have they cleaned up the Ganges bobby?
http://plenglish.com/images/2017/julio/13/india-ganges.jpg


just wondering... Sad




Yuck - pollution is a terrible problem.
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Reply #8 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 9:22am
 
in INDIA very much so!
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Reply #9 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 9:31am
 
cods wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:55am:
have they cleaned up the Ganges bobby?
http://plenglish.com/images/2017/julio/13/india-ganges.jpg


just wondering... Sad


Wonderful country. Pity about the people. 

Global Pollution trumps regional pollution which trumps local pollution. Your example is local pollution. 

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A number of initiatives have been undertaken to clean the river but failed to deliver desired results.[8] After getting elected, India's Prime minister Narendra Modi affirmed to work in cleaning the river and controlling pollution.[9] Subsequently, the Namami Ganga project was announced by the government in the July 2014 budget.[10] An estimated Rs 2,958 Crores (US$460 million) have been spent till July 2016 in various efforts in cleaning up of the river.[11]


- A bit like my swimming pool after the annual downpour of the deadly eucalyptus pollen -  but on a much bigger scale.
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Reply #10 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 11:18am
 
And here I was think this Topic was John Taverner's admission that the 'End was Nigh' for his role as Mod of Environment.

Like a Nazgul, I was coming in to ...feast on your flesh.
Cheesy

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 12:14pm
 
"Coal will maintain its dominant share of India’s electricity production for decades to come, according to a major report from the government’s planning institute.

The Three Year Action Agenda, released on Thursday by the National Institution for Transforming India (Niti Aayong), laid out a nine-point plan for boosting coal production in India in order to feed increasing demand from India’s coal power sector."

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/08/28/coal-power-india-decades-come-says-g...

Of course they could always force the subsistence farmers off their land for large scale solar.
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Reply #12 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 12:40pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 11:18am:
And here I was think this Topic was John Taverner's admission that the 'End was Nigh' for his role as Mod of Environment.

Like a Nazgul, I was coming in to ...feast on your flesh.
Cheesy



I don't know who you are, but I just don't have much free time to spare  for this forum any more. I have been away for over a year as I have other interests.

Happy to help if asked.
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Reply #13 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 1:16pm
 
The Doomsday Clock. The stuff of myth and legend. Wink
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Reply #14 - Jan 26th, 2018 at 1:25pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 1:16pm:
The Doomsday Clock. The stuff of myth and legend. Wink


I know right..  Grin

made from the stuff of no rains to fill the dams by 2008

all the ice melted buy 2010, 2013, 2017 errrrrrr  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

what else..

oh.. all of the Polar Bears will be extinct..  Grin

now theres more than ever of the pesky bastards...  Cheesy

and the new one...

the reason that the seas haven't risen is because the bottom of the sea sank due to the weight of the extra water....  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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The STORM has arrived
Every Dog Has Its Day...
Dark to Light.
Sheep no more.
 
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