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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Gandalf, what the hell? Jan 25^th, 2018 at 11:51pm To my surprise I learnt that you are a convert to Islam with no Muslim background. What the hell were you thinking? Granted, I would convert but only in the event I met someone whom I loved, etc. I guess you didn’t read the wife-beating verse BEFORE you converted??
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98973	Re: Gandalf, what the hell? Reply #1 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:21am Or maybe he did. They're cunning, these Muhammedans. Google: taqiyya.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98973	Re: Gandalf, what the hell? Reply #2 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:24am Or maybe he did. They're cunning, these Muhammedans. Google: taqiyya.
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Gandalf, what the hell? Reply #3 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:33am Karnal wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:24am: Or maybe he did. They're cunning, these Muhammedans. Google: taqiyya. What sound does a jellyfish make?
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Reply #4 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:43am

Auggie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 11:51pm:

To my surprise I learnt that you are a convert to Islam with no Muslim background.

What the hell were you thinking?

Granted, I would convert but only in the event I met someone whom I loved, etc.

I guess you didn’t read the wife-beating verse BEFORE you converted??

Why should YOU convert why could not THEY convert?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Gandalf, what the hell? Reply #5 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:45am Auggie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:33am: Karnal wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 12:24am: Or maybe he did. They're cunning, these Muhammedans. Google: taqiyya. What sound does a jellyfish make? I'm karnal, I'm karnal, I'm karnal, miam miam, miam, miam....
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Reply #6 - Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:51am

Grendel wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:43am:

Auggie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 11:51pm:

To my surprise I learnt that you are a convert to Islam with no Muslim background.

What the hell were you thinking?

Granted, I would convert but only in the event I met someone whom I loved, etc.

I guess you didn’t read the wife-beating verse BEFORE you converted??

Why should YOU convert why could not THEY convert?

Well, if one converts to Islam because they feel inspired by it and have read the scriptures, I don't understand how you could feel spiritually-fulfilled by Islam. There are other religions which better fill those needs.

Like Sikhism.

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Reply #7 - Jan 27^th, 2018 at 10:03pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:51am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:43am:

Auggie wrote on Jan 25^th, 2018 at 11:51pm:

To my surprise I learnt that you are a convert to Islam with no Muslim background.

What the hell were you thinking?

Granted, I would convert but only in the event I met someone whom I loved, etc.

I guess you didn’t read the wife-beating verse BEFORE you converted??

Why should YOU convert why could not THEY convert?

Well, if one converts to Islam because they feel inspired by it and have read the scriptures, I don't understand how you could feel spiritually-fulfilled by Islam. There are other religions which better fill those needs.

Like Sikhism.

Gandalf thought he was going to be the big cheese of the Islam forum, had an avatar of himself as a mufti in shades. But it all went pear shaped when his pathetic interpretation of reality didn't get any interest, well . . . maybe this thread. He claims to have different interpretation of Islam to the violent fanatics, but just like them he is not going to state that Mohamed was not the messenger of God, did not communicate with God through an angel, and the Koran is false. If he does that, he's not a Muzlim. He's just another of the miriad post-1960s eastern-religion nuts. Albeit, with a allegiance to foreign entity.

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Reply #8 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:01pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:51am:

Well, if one converts to Islam because they feel inspired by it and have read the scriptures, I don't understand how you could feel spiritually-fulfilled by Islam.

And did you reach this conclusion because you have read and closely studied all the Islamic scriptures and concluded definitively that they are comprehensibly spritually unfulfilling?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #9 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:01pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:51am:

Well, if one converts to Islam because they feel inspired by it and have read the scriptures, I don't understand how you could feel spiritually-fulfilled by Islam.

And did you reach this conclusion because you have read and closely studied all the Islamic scriptures and concluded definitively that they are comprehensibly spritually unfulfilling?

Yes.

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Reply #10 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:01pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:51am:

Well, if one converts to Islam because they feel inspired by it and have read the scriptures, I don't understand how you could feel spiritually-fulfilled by Islam.

And did you reach this conclusion because you have read and closely studied all the Islamic scriptures and concluded definitively that they are comprehensibly spritually unfulfilling?

Question: were you aware of the wife-beating verse before or after you converted?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Gandalf, what the hell? Reply #11 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:04pm issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 10:03pm: But it all went pear shaped when his pathetic interpretation of reality didn't get any interest Thats funny. There seem to be an awful lot of uninterested people taking an interest to my "pathetic interpretation of reality" here. You, for example.
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Reply #12 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:05pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:01pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:51am:

Well, if one converts to Islam because they feel inspired by it and have read the scriptures, I don't understand how you could feel spiritually-fulfilled by Islam.

And did you reach this conclusion because you have read and closely studied all the Islamic scriptures and concluded definitively that they are comprehensibly spritually unfulfilling?

Question: were you aware of the wife-beating verse before or after you converted?

There is no wife-beating verse, I have covered this many times.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #13 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:05pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:01pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:51am:

Well, if one converts to Islam because they feel inspired by it and have read the scriptures, I don't understand how you could feel spiritually-fulfilled by Islam.

And did you reach this conclusion because you have read and closely studied all the Islamic scriptures and concluded definitively that they are comprehensibly spritually unfulfilling?

Question: were you aware of the wife-beating verse before or after you converted?

There is no wife-beating verse, I have covered this many times.

Now, that is clearly misguided, Gandalf. You're using the translation of some post-modernist Islamic woman (Laila Bakhtiar) who has written ONE Quran with that translation.

There is no consensus for her translation - nearly every single Quran printed in the world translate daraba as 'hit' or strike.

Refusing this is fundamentally dishonest.

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Reply #14 - Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:10pm

Auggie wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:02pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 2:01pm:

Auggie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2018 at 10:51am:

Well, if one converts to Islam because they feel inspired by it and have read the scriptures, I don't understand how you could feel spiritually-fulfilled by Islam.

And did you reach this conclusion because you have read and closely studied all the Islamic scriptures and concluded definitively that they are comprehensibly spritually unfulfilling?

Yes.

In the extremely unlikely event you are not lying - is it not conceivable for you that someone else might find spiritual meaning in it? Who are you to decide what is and what isn't spiritual meaning anyway?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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