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Reply #45 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 6:25am
 
I'm glad Matthew Guy played political games out of this event.  Everyone could see how stupid he was when the authorities pointed it out not long ago that the power problems had nothing to do with power supply or hazelwood.

Voters will look at this and think, "how can this wanker be our next Premier when he plays games instead of fixing problems"?

Maybe Guy is related by occupation to our resident troll, juliar as a liar.
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Reply #46 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 7:08am
 
Good to see the worried Lefties are rattled and confused.

But returning to the TOPIC of Greeny sabotage of Australia as the Greeny sabotaged Victorian power system collapses.

The smell of diesel must have been strong in SA as they cut in the diesel genes to prop up their Greeny sabotaged shaky network.


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Victoria blackouts: “nothing to see here folks”—is dead right!
AMM on 29/01/2018

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In the state of Andrews—a total void.

Thousands of homes were left without power as Victoria sweltered through its hottest night of the summer, with record demand being blamed for causing failures across the state’s distribution network.

Temperatures did not drop below 30 degrees Celsius in Melbourne until 4:00am, and remained above 30C in Mildura and the north-west.




Power cuts in Victoria as Melbourne sweats through summer’s hottest night
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About 50,000 homes across the state lost power, and many were still blacked out this morning.

The State Government said while there was plenty of power being generated, the spike in demand caused blown fuses and failed transformers on the distribution network.

Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio said it was the highest peak demand ever recorded in Victoria on a Sunday.

“We had an astonishing 46,000 people who lost their energy supply due to a combination of factors, all related to the excessive heat and humidity built up over a number of days,” she said.

“Peak demand was around about 9,100 megawatts.

“It occurred at about 5:30pm last night, putting that additional strain on the electricity infrastructure and that’s what caused the localised outages across parts of the state.”

The Australian Energy Market Operator also said the outages had nothing to do with supply.

Ms D’Ambrosio said once all customers were reconnected the Government would investigate what could be done to prevent future failures.

“Some of those fixes can’t occur overnight of course, when you’re talking about infrastructure upgrades, but certainly we will need to have the distribution businesses held to account for their asset,” she said.

Melbourne’s hottest night of the summer
Senior forecaster Richard Carlyon from the Bureau of Meteorology said the high humidity in Melbourne would stick around until Tuesday morning.
“It was a hot and humid night in Melbourne,” he said.
“The temperature dropped to 28.4 degrees at 5:30am — not quite a record. The all-time record for January is 30.6C.”

In the state’s north-west overnight temperatures remained in the low 30s.

There will be speed restrictions on a number of V/Line regional train services today due to the heat.

The BOM has forecast a sultry top of 35C for Melbourne today with an afternoon change, but relief will not come until tomorrow.

“We’ll probably have to wait until the early hours of Tuesday before that tropical moisture starts to move away, and by later tomorrow morning we should have cool and much less humid conditions throughout Melbourne,” Mr Carlyon said.

“It has been fairly dry over the last few days. We’ve missed the bulk of the storm activity but we may see falls of around 10 to 30 millimetres throughout Melbourne during tonight and tomorrow morning.

“It will cool off — it will take some time to cool off — but certainly much cooler than last night.”

Temperatures in Melbourne reached 37.8C at about 3:40pm on Sunday and in many regional areas it reached well into the 40s.
Surf Lifesaving Victoria said 80 people were rescued at the state’s beaches on the weekend.

Authorities urged people to take care of vulnerable members of the community, such as the elderly and the ill.
They also told pet owners to make sure animals had plenty of water and access to shade.

http://morningmail.org/victoria-blackouts-nothing-see-folks-dead-right/#more-753...

COMMENTS to thrill the despairing Lefties

Honeybadger 29/01/2018, 10:25 am
Have to hope those 50,000 residents will help oust Dan the man as they experience first hand, what Labor and Greenies energy policies are. All the weasel words about faults doesn’t do it. We know Vic gets very very hot and competent governments ensure peak demand is met. This is just the beginning of what’s to come.


Dave Vought 29/01/2018, 11:07 am
Spot on. Close or sell off your reliable cheap fossil fuelled power stations and put your State in the hands of the wind ferries and sun gods.
How’s it working out in Vic and SA.
Problem is the other States aren’t far behind.


Terry dactyl 30/01/2018, 12:16 am
Petal…try living in the northern tropics for a while before you open your yap about VERY HOT.


Angry 29/01/2018, 11:36 am
Hope the whole state is blacked out for weeks.
That will teach the imbeciles that COAL IS THE BEST, SAFEST, CHEAPEST AND MOST RELIABLE MEANS TO PRODUCE ELECTRICITY.
Suck it up Victorians, you voted in the cretins !! NO SYMPATHY FROM ME.


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Reply #47 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 7:08am
 
Pensioner Pete 29/01/2018, 12:32 pm
Angry: You are correct. It will take weeks, if not months of unbroken blackout for the voting idiots to come to a realisation the Labor/Green power production agenda is harmful to one’s health and the state economy. Coal fired power stations are the way forward up to and until another low cost form of energy is invented.


Neville 30/01/2018, 3:42 am
And .. the whole state will NEVER be blacked out for weeks, because they BUY the power they need from states that have coal-fired power stations. And who pays for the power they now hafta buy? Duuh …
BTW, there is a completely emission-free, 24/7 reliable, safer-than-any-other-power-source .. it’s called nuclear. And not the uranium cycle either – the thorium cycle reactor/generators can be built quite small and modular, and placed in several places around each capital city, and scattered around the country areas where needed, and Australia will NEVER need suffer from lack of power again. But hey, …


Angry 29/01/2018, 12:06 pm
Larry Pickering has an article about similar problems such as this in the other FAILED STATE “SOUTH AUSTRALIA”.
Well worth reading.
SOUTH AUSTRALIA ABOUT TO BE HISTORICALLY AND ENERGETICALLY HAMMERED :-
http://pickeringpost.com/story/-south-australia-about-to-be-historically-and-energetically-hammered/7919
Again, NO SYMPATHY FROM ME !
BURN SUCKERS !!


bushwanker 29/01/2018, 1:11 pm
So dopey Dan says it had nothing to do with power shortages and everything to do with transmission infrastructure failure………..but we are paying a premium on our electricity bills for ‘gold plating’ the infrastructure…..me thinks the gold plating is nothing more than gold paint and cheap gold paint at that.
Politicians & public servants should be held to account for their blatant lies & deceit and it’s just not good enough to throw the government out at the next election because the opposition will take their place and the lies & deceit will start all over again. Time for a civil war in this country, a civil war where politicians are targeted for extermination. Anarchy has to be better than what we currently have


Pensioner Pete 29/01/2018, 3:10 pm
bw: Buggar it, my 303 kicks like a donkey and I wasn’t looking forward to having to drag it out of ‘storage’ to begin yet another clean up of ferals.


Jack Richards 29/01/2018, 1:20 pm
I went to town this morning, to Corryong Vic, and the power was still out at 11. Can’t get petrol because there’s no power for the bowsers; the Chemist was in darkness but they gave me my scripts even though their computer was off as was the eftpos – so I paid in cash. The supermarket was operating but I think they have their own diesel generator.
Good work, Dirty Dan!


CameronH 29/01/2018, 2:01 pm
This will only get worse while the green renewables madness lasts. The most worrying thing is that there is probably a decade of rebuilding to get out of this hole we are in. The longer the waffling goes on the longer the recovery will be.


Graham 29/01/2018, 6:07 pm
Not long ago they were blaming transmission companies for gold plating assets and causing prices to go up. So now they are blaming the same companies for not gold plating. Can’t have it both ways.


Lorraine 29/01/2018, 9:15 pm
the Governments will not ever admit they failed, especially not Labor when it is every dirty bastards fault but theirs
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Reply #48 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 7:21am
 
You gotta hand it to the people's friend Larry he sure gives the political correctness rubbish a good caning.



SOUTH AUSTRALIA ABOUT TO BE HISTORICALLY AND ENERGETICALLY HAMMERED
LARRY PICKERING Fri 19 Jan 2018 12:20:27 pm 2267 COMMENTS

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Not only is the broken State broke, but unemployment has risen almost 30 per cent since 2002 with rental accommodation jumping 60 per cent and State GDP at almost 20 per cent lower than the national average.

Apart from the poverty index and recent energy costs that have risen 150 per cent, there is one consistent factor in SA’s demise… it has had a succession of Labor Governments since long before the despicable homosexual/paedophile, Don Dunstan, right up until Penny Wong’s former partner and mentally retarded little switch hitter, Jay Weatherill.


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There is not a lot of bonking going on, and clearly no-one wants to go there, as reflected in its population growth of half the national average. The largest employer in the State is (quite naturally) the Public Service therefore it’s almost impossible to oust Labor from Office.

The opposition has achieved up to 57 per cent of the TPP vote and still can’t gain Office due to an outrageously undemocratic gerrymander.

But Weatherill’s woes go far beyond the closures of Holden and Olympic Dam, his self-imposed SA energy shortage is about to be hitting the Crow Eaters hard and fast. South Australia is an extention of the Red Centre with its smouldering waves of unrelenting heat brought by blistering northerly winds.


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The aged who stayed in bed to keep warm during winter now have no-where to go to escape the heat. The aged don’t own an air conditioner and if they did they could never afford to turn it on.


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Weatherill decided in an ideological seizure to go Commo, flick coal and plug into Victoria’s coal-fired power station. Unfortunately another Labor genius Premier in Victoria also decided coal was no longer needed and blew up the power station, leaving Weatherill with spluttering excuses as to why South Australia blacked out.


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So this Weatherill wanker bought a multi-million dollar battery to be used when relying on wind and solar power. The trouble is this battery is of sufficient power only to charge inner city gay Greens’ electric toothbrushes and dildos for around 30 minutes.

South Australia competes with Tasmania and the Northern Territory for the worst State prize every year … and loses! Despite the NT copping most of $30 billion a year for Aborigines and that’s on top of the usual welfare sit-down stuff.

                     
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The city of churches... and they will bloody-well need them


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Labor’s South Australia is now quiet, like before a major storm, a heat storm, that will rain only old and young dead bodies.

But all nations have their South Australia’s… and the most poverty stricken US States have their Labor (Democratic) Governments too. The consistency when related to poverty indices is uncanny.

Ideological socialism is supposed to aid the poor yet the statistics are clear… if you live in a Labor (or Democratic) governed State like California, Washington or South Australia,

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… then prepare to be poor, get funeral insurance and next time for Christ’s sake vote Trump.

http://pickeringpost.com/story/-south-australia-about-to-be-historically-and-ene...
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Reply #49 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 12:29pm
 
juliar wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:49am:
There there croc, don't blow a fuse.

Whatever made you think that. Humour me some more


The emaciated power system was struggling to survive during the recent heat wave which is not at all unusual during summer.

Since the selloff in the 90s by Kennett the new owners have been free as a bird to add more capacity to their newly acquired assets. Unfortunately, they didn't.


Surely even a roughly logical mind would have to agree that when there is no wind at night and the biggest battery would only last for a few minutes then there will be no power delivered from the unreliable unstable Secondary Power renewable rubbish.

Hence the vital need for reliable stable Primary Power from coal or hydro.

You mean that privatized stuff do you. Turned out real reliable didn't it.


What seems to bend the muddled minds of the Greeny types is that solar seems to work OK in a domestic house even at night if they have storage batteries.

What the muddled minds of the befuddled Greeny types cannot grasp is that there is always the Primary Power connected to the house via the 240v mains ready to take over when the solar conks out.

For a Greeny type to be fair dinkum they would have to completely disconnect their house from the 240v mains and enjoy sitting in the dark.

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Reply #50 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 12:31pm
 
juliar wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 7:21am:




Pickering.....pollies with penises
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #51 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 12:32pm
 
juliar wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 7:21am:
You gotta hand it to the people's friend Larry he sure gives the political correctness rubbish a good caning.



Pickering is just a tired old uninformed fool and a bankrupt whose only claim to fame is drawing funny pictures.
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Reply #52 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 12:42pm
 
crocodile wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 12:32pm:
juliar wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 7:21am:
You gotta hand it to the people's friend Larry he sure gives the political correctness rubbish a good caning.



Pickering is just a tired old uninformed fool and a bankrupt whose only claim to fame is drawing funny pictures.

Pickering is just a tired old uninformed fool and a bankrupt whose only claim to fame is drawing "funny"pictures.


Fixed, they werent that funny.
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Reply #53 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 12:47pm
 
I'm thinking carbon taxes are looking like a better idea now.
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Reply #54 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 2:09pm
 
stunspore wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 6:25am:
I'm glad Matthew Guy played political games out of this event.  Everyone could see how stupid he was when the authorities pointed it out not long ago that the power problems had nothing to do with power supply or hazelwood.

Voters will look at this and think, "how can this wanker be our next Premier when he plays games instead of fixing problems"?

Maybe Guy is related by occupation to our resident troll, juliar as a liar.



The other thing I've found Matthew GUy doesnt like is , when he goes on one of his law and order rants, mention the fact he went on a lobster lunch with a Mafia boss.
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Reply #55 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 3:48pm
 
Good to see the politically correct croc and BH are tickled pink by exposure (especially by Larry) of the FACTS which they studiously avoid to ever discuss.

Larry can really get the Lefties' backs up simply by stating the TRUTH without fear or favor. Larry's contempt for the political correctness crap helps immensely.

The fact that fuses blew in the Victorian sub stations says the current was too high ie the load was too high and there was not enough supply to sustain it.

Well what do you expect when the Vic moronicks decommission stable reliable Primary Power coal power stations which could easily have handled the load.

What will be hilarious is when Vic can't handle the load and then can't supply SA when it has no wind.

SA's white elephant windymills only work every day or so as the wind blows and stops.
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Reply #56 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 4:48pm
 
SA must have been shaking noticeably as they are totally dependent on Primary Power from Victorian coal fields.

So if Victoria sneezes then SA catches a cold.

The Greenies must be thrilled at how their sabotage is wrecking the Australian power network.




Melbourne: 42,000 homes in dark, no fans left at Kmart. Power outages due to “secret” air conditioners?
January 29th, 2018

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Melbourne Skyline at night…Image: Alfred Glickman

The temperature reached 38C in Melbourne (100F) on Sunday — something it has probably done most summers since 10,000BC.

CitiPower, Powercor and the United Energy spokeswoman Emma Tyner said that as of 9.25pm, about 41,190 homes were without power across those three networks. – Sydney Morning Herald


Now why would that be? Ms Tyner puts a lack of supply in the nicest possible way:
“The extreme heat has significantly increased electricity use and this has resulted in localised power outages,” Ms Tyner said.

It’s not that governments didn’t plan energy policy — it’s the users who wanted too much (i.e your fault.) Though Victorians used to use more power than this.  On Sunday, peak electricity demand was 9,124MW, about 13% less than the all time peak of 10,496MW in 2009. (In case you are wondering, Hazelwood (now closed) produced 1600MW or about 25% of Victorian baseload power.)


Mr Armstrong from Ausnet Services (another power company) blamed unreported air conditioners:
“There are a lot fuses blowing in the hot weather and a significant power pull with people having put in air-conditioners they didn’t tell us about,” Mr Armstrong said. — The Age


Who knew you needed to tell your power company when you put in an air conditioner?
Gone are the days when people could willy-nilly run down to Retrovision and just buy an air con.

Ms Tyner and Mr Armstrong may have inadvertently let the cat out of the bag. Perhaps they will get quiet reeducation tomorrow on how to phrase the cause of blackouts. (Aren’t they due to old coal turbines breaking?) 

Next, expect people to start saying how normal it is to have blackouts on hot days. “It’s just a part of life.”

If only the same people would say that about hot days.


You know things are serious when Kmart runs out of fans.
A Kmart in Northcote on Sunday has completely sold out of all cooling devices, from fans to air-conditioning units, its duty manager said.

So no willy-nilly fan buying either.

Tonight some people have fans, but no electricity. Others have electricity but no fans.

Others have electricity and fans, but no money. Luckily electricity “only” reached a peak of $3,125 per MWh briefly in Victoria. (Only a few million extra).


Pollies play blackout roulette
Robert Gottleibsen, a week ago:

Welcome to Australia’s deadly game of Melbourne and Sydney blackout roulette. The stakes involve hundreds of millions of dollars of refrigerated food and the operations of thousands of factories and offices who don’t have emergency power contingencies in place.

…Victoria took longer than NSW to wake up but it too has been working hard to reduce the risk of blackouts. For the most part, both states are borrowing ideas from third world countries by getting industry and consumers to cut back on power usage when days are hot. In addition, those organisations with back up power (like phone companies) are being asked to use it so as to cut demand and, if possible, put power back into the grid. Accordingly, highly polluting diesel becomes the saviour.

Could someone teach editors what “record-breaking” means?
Last night the minimum was 22.8C in Melbourne. Tonight was forecast to be 28C. If the Bureau are right, it won’t be close to breaking the record. (UPDATE: It ended up being 27.5C min)

–The Sydney Morning Herald


Close to record-breaking heat
While it is not quite a record, Melbourne has come close to the hottest-ever January overnight temperature of 30.6 degrees.

Melbourne has reached that record twice since records began, once in 1902 and again in 2010.

The good news is that the other 1.5 million homes still have electricity. Though the United Energy Outage Map keeps going out itself.

The Ausnet Outage Map has a popup note: due to the large number of outages power may not get restored til Monday morning.


h/t Dave B, Yonniestone,
Melbourne: 42,000 homes in dark, no fans left at Kmart. Power outages due to "secret" air conditioners?, 9.3 out of 10 based on 90 ratings

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/01/melbourne-42000-homes-in-dark-no-fans-left-at-k...
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Reply #57 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 4:49pm
 
juliar wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Good to see the politically correct croc and BH are tickled pink by exposure (especially by Larry) of the FACTS which they studiously avoid to ever discuss.

Larry can really get the Lefties' backs up simply by stating the TRUTH without fear or favor. Larry's contempt for the political correctness crap helps immensely.

The fact that fuses blew in the Victorian sub stations says the current was too high ie the load was too high and there was not enough supply to sustain it.

Well what do you expect when the Vic moronicks decommission stable reliable Primary Power coal power stations which could easily have handled the load.

What will be hilarious is when Vic can't handle the load and then can't supply SA when it has no wind.

SA's white elephant windymills only work every day or so as the wind blows and stops.


Why is juliar pretending to have technical/science knowledge how electricity is generated and transmitted?  obviously wrong.
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Reply #58 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:03pm
 
stunspore wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 4:49pm:
juliar wrote on Jan 30th, 2018 at 3:48pm:
Good to see the politically correct croc and BH are tickled pink by exposure (especially by Larry) of the FACTS which they studiously avoid to ever discuss.

Larry can really get the Lefties' backs up simply by stating the TRUTH without fear or favor. Larry's contempt for the political correctness crap helps immensely.

The fact that fuses blew in the Victorian sub stations says the current was too high ie the load was too high and there was not enough supply to sustain it.

Well what do you expect when the Vic moronicks decommission stable reliable Primary Power coal power stations which could easily have handled the load.

What will be hilarious is when Vic can't handle the load and then can't supply SA when it has no wind.

SA's white elephant windymills only work every day or so as the wind blows and stops.


Why is juliar pretending to have technical/science knowledge how electricity is generated and transmitted?  obviously wrong.


Because he/she is so ignorant that he/she doesn't even know what he/she doesn't know.

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The fact that fuses blew in the Victorian sub stations says the current was too high ie the load was too high and there was not enough supply to sustain it.


If the current was too high, by default there must be enough supply. All beside the point really since the power generation equipment is owned by private firms as is the fuses and transmission infrastructure.

Seems like they just bought it for the recurrent revenue until it reaches end of life and then ask the gummint to build them a new one. For free of course.

As for Pickering and truth. Tell that to his creditors he diddled with his betting software. Fukkwit.
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Reply #59 - Jan 30th, 2018 at 5:04pm
 
Muffled mumblings heard from the disintegrating world of political correctness.

And the political correct croc is ducking and weaving trying to avoid the blindingly obvious that Victoria's power system is on the brink of collapse and it will take SA with it.

The amount of effort croc puts into avoiding the truth seems hardly worth it. Why not just say it like it is ?

croc's absurd "illogic" about fuses just shows how very little he knows about electricity distribution.

Fuses blow to protect equipment. If the fuses were not there something else a lot more expensive would possibly have blown up. Blaming fuses shows a certain lack of understanding of the problem domain.

The fuse size is set to protect the supply from short circuit or overload ie more current than the supply can safely supply.

So if the load becomes too great then the current will blow the fuse to protect the supply from overload - ie the supply CANNOT supply the current without overheating ie the supply is too small. QED
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