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Reply #135 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:03am
 
croc I may be wrong but wasn't it closed down during the current imposter Vic Labor "Govt" against all advice.

The Frog owner is a rabid carbon dioxide freak and with the connivance of the Greeny ravaged imposter Vic Labor "Govt" they closed Hazelwood proclaiming they had closed down the "dirtiest" power station in the world!!!!!

Now Victoria is teetering on the brink of a power shortage disaster which will also take SA down with it.




Hazelwood power station to close
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Hazelwood power station to close

About 1000 jobs will go with staff at Hazelwood power plant in Victoria’s told yesterday in a meeting that the coal fired station will close on March 31.

The workers have been offered state and federal government assistance packages including retraining, career advice and counselling.

The closure was long expected with plant’s owner, French utility Engie, intending to move away from coal-fire power. Japan’s Mitsui also owns a 28 per cent stake in what is Australia’s highest polluting power plant, producing the equivalent of 1400 tonnes of carbon dioxide per gigawatt hour of energy produced.

Hazelwood burns brown coal which produces more carbon than normal coal because of its high moisture content.


The Turnbull government announced a $43 million package to support the workers who have lost their jobs and the Victorian government has moved to establish a Latrobe Valley authority to administer support and a $22 million package of personalised support including TAFE training, as well as financial and career counselling.

“This is a very tough time. A very tough time for the valley,” Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said.

“Our thoughts today are with the tough times for the men and women who work at Hazelwood and of course the many others in that community whose jobs depend on that power station.”

While the plant’s closure will have an immediate impact on carbon emissions, it could also lead to higher energy prices and possibly the closure of Alcoa’s Portland aluminium smelter.


Federal energy minister Josh Frydenberg said it would have a “major impact” on supply and would see Victoria importing electricity — black coal from New South Wales and hydro power from Tasmania.

“I think there will be a price impact in neighbouring states as well because there won’t be that cheaper form of generation, particularly brown coal, which is what Hazelwood does produce, going into those other states,” Mr Frydenberg told ABC’s Lateline program.

“And the minute you start supplying either black coal or gas or renewables costs do go up.”

He said Hazelwood’s closure would remove 22 per cent Victoria’s and that, he said, would have national consequences.

“The closure of Hazelwood will have a major impact on supply, not just in Victoria but also across the national electricity market because Hazelwood made up about 4 per cent of supply across the national electricity market, helping to supply power into South Australia, into Tasmania, and also into New South Wales,” he said.

“Victoria will now go from being a net energy exporter to becoming a net energy importer and at times of peak demand.

“For example in the January/February period in 2018 after the closure — in the hot summer months where there will be increased peak demand — very close attention will need to be taken to ensure that there is the stability and security of supply.

“This could include additional measures, not just market-based measures, but additional measures from AEMO (Australian Energy Market Operator) in order to elicit sufficient generation.”

Hazelwood’s closure could also devastate the Latrobe Valley which has Victoria’s highest unemployment at more than 8 per cent. Latrobe Valley towns like Morwell and Moe have double digit unemployment rates.

The Victorian Council of Social Service chief executive officer Emma King said Engie and Matsui had to step up to the plate.

“Power industry leaders need to open their wallets to help these communities,” Ms King said.

“These power companies have made a lot of money over the years extracting natural resources and processing them for sale. Now they have a responsibility to help with the region’s long-term recovery.”

“It’s time to step up help these communities thrive again.”

And it will have an impact on local businesses.

“Many of my customers are employees of Hazelwood and as an indirect result of the closure that means that their incomes will decrease or they will disappear… so we will all suffer directly or indirectly through them not having the income to be able to spend in the community and then perhaps leaving the area entirely,’’ Latrobe Valley electrician Eric Seegers told The Australia Financial Review.

http://www.businessfirstmagazine.com.au/hazelwood-power-station-to-close/18567/
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Reply #136 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:15am
 
Just look at that dirty steam coming out of cooling towers. They would have you believe it is CO2. Wink
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Reply #137 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:45am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:40am:
It's already established that you are an ignorant fool. CGT discounts apply to all capital gains and for good reasons. NG can apply to any income producing asset. No tax is being avoided. The only change is the date in which it is paid.

Now go away.


well you don't see mums and dads investing a million dollars of borrowed money into shares do you !! How come ? Wake up will you !!


They can do their own risk analysis. It is available regardless providing it produces income. Investors using margin loans are well able to get a rebate on their interst providing the shares produce income. That is, not just capital gain. Go back to sleep.
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Reply #138 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:41am
 
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:45am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:40am:
It's already established that you are an ignorant fool. CGT discounts apply to all capital gains and for good reasons. NG can apply to any income producing asset. No tax is being avoided. The only change is the date in which it is paid.

Now go away.


well you don't see mums and dads investing a million dollars of borrowed money into shares do you !! How come ? Wake up will you !!


They can do their own risk analysis. It is available regardless providing it produces income. Investors using margin loans are well able to get a rebate on their interst providing the shares produce income. That is, not just capital gain. Go back to sleep.


How many punters borrow one million over 10 or more years to invest in shares vs property ? Wake up and smell the roses will you Cheesy LOL
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Reply #139 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:49am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:41am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:45am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:40am:
It's already established that you are an ignorant fool. CGT discounts apply to all capital gains and for good reasons. NG can apply to any income producing asset. No tax is being avoided. The only change is the date in which it is paid.

Now go away.


well you don't see mums and dads investing a million dollars of borrowed money into shares do you !! How come ? Wake up will you !!


They can do their own risk analysis. It is available regardless providing it produces income. Investors using margin loans are well able to get a rebate on their interst providing the shares produce income. That is, not just capital gain. Go back to sleep.


How many punters borrow one million over 10 or more years to invest in shares vs property ? Wake up and smell the roses will you Cheesy LOL


Like I said it will be a risk / reward profile. Choosing to go down that investment path is totally irrelevant as it is still available. There is the issue of income as well. Houses and shares alike, if they don't produce income, no rebate. You'd be surprised just how many margin loans are in existence. You've smelling the roses for too long. Lionel Roses that is.
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Reply #140 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:52am
 
lee wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:15am:
Just look at that dirty steam coming out of cooling towers. They would have you believe it is CO2. Wink


Who's they ? CO2 is also soluble to some extent. Coal also has impurities such as sulpher and nitrogen. Not real dirty steam but not clean as a whistle either.
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Reply #141 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:01pm
 
juliar wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:03am:
[b][i]croc I may be wrong but wasn't it closed down during the current imposter Vic Labor "Govt" against all advice.

March 2017. It is not relevant. The Gummint doesn't own it. It is owned by Engie and Mitsui whose decision rests entirely within. Five of the eight 1950's style boilers were leaking. The plant is past it's economic life. The cost involved to bring it back on line completely was over $750 million. The owners see more bang for their buck elsewhere so they shut it down. It doesn't get much simpler than that.


The Frog owner is a rabid carbon dioxide freak and with the connivance of the Greeny ravaged imposter Vic Labor "Govt" they closed Hazelwood proclaiming they had closed down the "dirtiest" power station in the world!!!!!

I doubt that the owners are rabid carbon freaks. More likely they are immersing themselves in other technologies because they believe that they can make more money out of it. Very naive if you think otherwise.



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Reply #142 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:21pm
 
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:49am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:41am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:45am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:40am:
It's already established that you are an ignorant fool. CGT discounts apply to all capital gains and for good reasons. NG can apply to any income producing asset. No tax is being avoided. The only change is the date in which it is paid.

Now go away.


well you don't see mums and dads investing a million dollars of borrowed money into shares do you !! How come ? Wake up will you !!


They can do their own risk analysis. It is available regardless providing it produces income. Investors using margin loans are well able to get a rebate on their interst providing the shares produce income. That is, not just capital gain. Go back to sleep.


How many punters borrow one million over 10 or more years to invest in shares vs property ? Wake up and smell the roses will you Cheesy LOL


Like I said it will be a risk / reward profile. Choosing to go down that investment path is totally irrelevant as it is still available. There is the issue of income as well. Houses and shares alike, if they don't produce income, no rebate. You'd be surprised just how many margin loans are in existence. You've smelling the roses for too long. Lionel Roses that is.


Listen mate. The NG scam is exclusively with property. It's used and abused for property and no other asset class. The punters who abuse it know that the government kicks the can down the road every time prices start to head south so they are almost 100% guaranteed a capital gain on their investment. The risk is mitigated with property because of gov intervention and property lobbyist banging at their doors.

Ever heard of a first share buyers grant ? No I didn't think you did.
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Reply #143 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:26pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:49am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:41am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:45am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:40am:
It's already established that you are an ignorant fool. CGT discounts apply to all capital gains and for good reasons. NG can apply to any income producing asset. No tax is being avoided. The only change is the date in which it is paid.

Now go away.


well you don't see mums and dads investing a million dollars of borrowed money into shares do you !! How come ? Wake up will you !!


They can do their own risk analysis. It is available regardless providing it produces income. Investors using margin loans are well able to get a rebate on their interst providing the shares produce income. That is, not just capital gain. Go back to sleep.


How many punters borrow one million over 10 or more years to invest in shares vs property ? Wake up and smell the roses will you Cheesy LOL


Like I said it will be a risk / reward profile. Choosing to go down that investment path is totally irrelevant as it is still available. There is the issue of income as well. Houses and shares alike, if they don't produce income, no rebate. You'd be surprised just how many margin loans are in existence. You've smelling the roses for too long. Lionel Roses that is.


Listen mate. The NG scam is exclusively with property. It's used and abused for property and no other asset class. The punters who abuse it know that the government kicks the can down the road every time prices start to head south so they are almost 100% guaranteed a capital gain on their investment. The risk is mitigated with property because of gov intervention and property lobbyist banging at their doors.

Ever heard of a first share buyers grant ? No I didn't think you did.


Wrong, misinformed and ignorant. You may negatively gear any income producing asset you wish.

What has the first home owner's grant got to do with NG.
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Reply #144 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:18pm
 
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:49am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:41am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:45am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:40am:
It's already established that you are an ignorant fool. CGT discounts apply to all capital gains and for good reasons. NG can apply to any income producing asset. No tax is being avoided. The only change is the date in which it is paid.

Now go away.


well you don't see mums and dads investing a million dollars of borrowed money into shares do you !! How come ? Wake up will you !!


They can do their own risk analysis. It is available regardless providing it produces income. Investors using margin loans are well able to get a rebate on their interst providing the shares produce income. That is, not just capital gain. Go back to sleep.


How many punters borrow one million over 10 or more years to invest in shares vs property ? Wake up and smell the roses will you Cheesy LOL


Like I said it will be a risk / reward profile. Choosing to go down that investment path is totally irrelevant as it is still available. There is the issue of income as well. Houses and shares alike, if they don't produce income, no rebate. You'd be surprised just how many margin loans are in existence. You've smelling the roses for too long. Lionel Roses that is.


Listen mate. The NG scam is exclusively with property. It's used and abused for property and no other asset class. The punters who abuse it know that the government kicks the can down the road every time prices start to head south so they are almost 100% guaranteed a capital gain on their investment. The risk is mitigated with property because of gov intervention and property lobbyist banging at their doors.

Ever heard of a first share buyers grant ? No I didn't think you did.


Wrong, misinformed and ignorant. You may negatively gear any income producing asset you wish.

What has the first home owner's grant got to do with NG.


Your an idiot. No mum and dads investor negatively gears a million dollars worth of blue chip BHP shares and yet they will do it with property without blinking an eyelid !! Why ? Simply because they are almost guaranteed a capital gain on property whilst offsetting interest payments on their their unrelated work income. It's a win win for mums and dads investors who get paid too much such as politicians  etc and need somehow to minimize their tax liability whilst being rewarded for it !! Why do you think so many pollies own investment properties ?
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Reply #145 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:46pm
 
Gee it is refreshing watching the self appointed oracle of all knowledge the croc and the self appointed whatsit LostSnail going at it hammer and tongs.

Wonder when the croc will realize that LostSnail just wants to get attention ?
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Reply #146 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 5:31pm
 
crocodile

OK so do you have theory of how to make the sun shine 24hrs a day ? Or make the wind blow everywhere all the time ?

Sure develop whatever technology you like, but you only implement proven reliable commercially acceptable technology.

Not against innovation I am against commercial stupidity which the ALP and Greens embrace !
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Reply #147 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 5:32pm
 
juliar wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:46pm:
Gee it is refreshing watching the self appointed oracle of all knowledge the croc and the self appointed whatsit LostSnail going at it hammer and tongs.

Wonder when the croc will realize that LostSnail just wants to get attention ?


What a bunch of mental midgets.
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Reply #148 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 5:37pm
 
juliar wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:46pm:
Gee it is refreshing watching the self appointed oracle of all knowledge the croc and the self appointed whatsit LostSnail going at it hammer and tongs.

Wonder when the croc will realize that LostSnail just wants to get attention ?



Leave Nail alone - he knows what he's talking about.
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Reply #149 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:25pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:18pm:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:26pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:49am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:41am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:18am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:45am:
crocodile wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:40am:
It's already established that you are an ignorant fool. CGT discounts apply to all capital gains and for good reasons. NG can apply to any income producing asset. No tax is being avoided. The only change is the date in which it is paid.

Now go away.


well you don't see mums and dads investing a million dollars of borrowed money into shares do you !! How come ? Wake up will you !!


They can do their own risk analysis. It is available regardless providing it produces income. Investors using margin loans are well able to get a rebate on their interst providing the shares produce income. That is, not just capital gain. Go back to sleep.


How many punters borrow one million over 10 or more years to invest in shares vs property ? Wake up and smell the roses will you Cheesy LOL


Like I said it will be a risk / reward profile. Choosing to go down that investment path is totally irrelevant as it is still available. There is the issue of income as well. Houses and shares alike, if they don't produce income, no rebate. You'd be surprised just how many margin loans are in existence. You've smelling the roses for too long. Lionel Roses that is.


Listen mate. The NG scam is exclusively with property. It's used and abused for property and no other asset class. The punters who abuse it know that the government kicks the can down the road every time prices start to head south so they are almost 100% guaranteed a capital gain on their investment. The risk is mitigated with property because of gov intervention and property lobbyist banging at their doors.

Ever heard of a first share buyers grant ? No I didn't think you did.


Wrong, misinformed and ignorant. You may negatively gear any income producing asset you wish.

What has the first home owner's grant got to do with NG.


Your an idiot. No mum and dads investor negatively gears a million dollars worth of blue chip BHP shares and yet they will do it with property without blinking an eyelid !! Why ? Simply because they are almost guaranteed a capital gain on property whilst offsetting interest payments on their their unrelated work income. It's a win win for mums and dads investors who get paid too much such as politicians  etc and need somehow to minimize their tax liability whilst being rewarded for it !! Why do you think so many pollies own investment properties ?


Of course investors negatively gear shares if the dividend payments are less than the interest paid on their margin loans.

http://www.afr.com/personal-finance/how-negative-gearing-would-affect-borrowing-...

Fukking clown.
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