Good to see the croc is still making it up as he goes and has plucked a graph out of the ether as well,

The Lefties seem to be having a competition to see who knows the least about electricity generation and reticulation.

The croc is just about winning as he just opens his mouth to change feet.

With the closure of the Primary Power Hazelwood station it was predicted Vic would run short of power generating capacity and the prediction has been proved correct.

croc's absurd suggestion that a brown out at a few places at the end of long supply lines was the cause is silly in the extreme.

It was the TOTAL load that exceeded the supply rated capacity that caused the fuse to trip to protect the supply from overload.

The voltage at the end of long runs would drop somewhat before the fuse tripped.

Oh gosh now the croc will be offended again.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 5:05pm:


Bad luck Nails. You seem to think I actually care what you think. Any explanation given is for the entire board and not specifically for your edification. It is hardly my fault that you are so steeped in ignorance that you refuse to understand or even attempt to learn. Keep your head in the sand forever if you wish. I don't really give a fukk.

RightSaidFred wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 6:16am:


That doesn't mean that new technologies should not be developed. Over the years we've lost much of our industrial base. We have a solid opportunity to develop technologies that the rest of the world wants. Crap on it as much as you want but don't whinge when another opportunity is lost to another nation while we descend further into the service economy madness.

The Greeny sabotage of the Vic power network designed to force industry to close down is starting to bite as the Norske Skog paper mill is forced to stop production when there is NO POWER available due to the Hazelwood coal station closure!!!!!!

The Border business was among 14 industrial electricity users and producers who have signed contracts with the Australian Energy Market Operator to help avoid large-scale blackouts like those which hit South Australia last summer.





Norske Skog will shut down Ettamogah plant to help NSW and Victoria avoid summer blackouts during peak electricity demands
John ChanterJohn Chanter DECEMBER 29 2017 - 2:50PM

Albury’s Norske Skog paper mill will stop production during peak power demands to help avoid major summer blackouts.



The Border business was among 14 industrial electricity users and producers who have signed contracts with the Australian Energy Market Operator to help avoid large-scale blackouts like those which hit South Australia last summer.

Visy was also included but the company was unable to confirm if its Wodonga plants would be affected.

Under the agreement, Norske Skog would shut down its paper machine and recycled fibre plant for a set time, likely to be between an hour and several hours, during peak demand so its electricity could be used elsewhere across the network.

Norske Skog regional procurement manager Michael Machin said the contract helped provide operational security for the Ettamogah plant.

“We would much prefer to have a controlled shutdown than to have a breakage on the electrical network which could result in an uncontrolled shutdown,” Mr Machin told The Border Mail.

He said without the agreement the market operator could just shut parts of the network down without notice, with an unscheduled emergency shutdown having a much bigger negative impact on production.

“We understand that if there’s a thunderstorm or a lightning strike hits a powerline, or a bushfire effects it, we’re like everyone else in the local area, whether it be big business or a private consumer, we just have to wear it,” Mr Machin said.

“But where you can foresee some things, you need to be in the game to avoid those nasties if you can help it.

“That’s what we’re trying to avoid, given the events in Victoria and South Australia last summer.”

AEMO would pay Norske Skog for the shutdowns but it would result in a financial loss for the mill.

With a hot summer predicted to drive energy demand higher, the AEMO chief executive Audrey Zibelman was confident the power network could survive the 2017-18 summer despite the earlier than usual hot weather hitting south-eastern Australia in the past few weeks.

“I think we have done all the right things to get ready for this summer. I feel very good about the plan we have put in place,” she told Fairfax Media

Under the Reliability and Emergency Reserve Trade (RERT) process, large electricity users, retailers and generators are contracted by AEMO to either use less energy or generate power from their owner generators. Aggregators are also contracted to procure demand response from electricity users.

The trigger points could be when the price of electricity reaches a certain level or when supply issues become critical.

The amounts AEMO is paying the companies have not been disclosed, but the market operator says the total cost of the summer readiness program, which includes the RERT, is $68 million – which is roughly half what it would have cost to keep the Hazelwood coal-fired power station operating for only two to three days a year.

“There's lots of different ways to drive productivity and efficiency in the system but frankly the markets have not valued or allowed that participation to come in in an easy way,” Ms Zibelman said.

“One of the things we've learned in this industry is when you have someone who has a back-up resources – where they have loads they can shed where it's very flexible – that can be very fast and more certain than turning on a generator.”

During a heatwave in February in NSW, the Tomago aluminium smelter near Newcastle was asked to curtail its production by 30 per cent or 300 megawatts to avoid black-outs across the state.

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/5143221/norske-skog-signs-up-to-shut-down-dur...

Gee the croc is almost civil today. Good to see.

Heavens! the Climatically Confused Globally Warmed LostSnail has putted in on his electric scooter.

His anger over his frustration at being unable to win any arguments because of his poor education is understandable.

Oh Gosh this will set him off on the usual muddle minded perambulations.

juliar wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 10:17am:


Forget the platitudes, who shut the plant down ?