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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #60 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 4:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 3:54pm:

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 8:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 7:52pm:

The loss of power would be small from skinny wires casting a shadow.

66Kv powerline is not skinny.

Also if there is a powerline failure it will probably take out about half a row of panels between the poles.Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 7:52pm:

If it's crown land then it's our land so it should be leased for free.

Ah, Another gain for the power company. Add that to the embedded subsidies Wink

Edit: Another thing about building under power lines is the need for powerline workers safety.

First of all we're not talking about power lines -
we're talking about those gigantic transmission lines.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8261080-3x2-940x627.jpg

There is so much wasted land underneath those lines
and it's close to where people live.
Make the power from solar panels close to the customer
& reduce the transmission losses.

The land is not being used for anything right now
so why not lease it for free to any company prepared to install ordinary solar cells and
let them make a profitable business out of it - a viable business model.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/image/5406850-3x2-700x467.jpg

Your premise 'wasted land' is false, rendering your complete discussion ridiculous.

Car parks, parks, nature reserves, grazing and farming land all habit land under transmission line. All of which provide greater economic and liveability returns to the citizens of this country.

What ever you have been consuming, please stop.

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Rider Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2669 OnTheRoad Gender:	Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant Reply #61 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 4:07pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 4:01pm: There is often farmland under the lines. See...even monk can see this. And he's a dithering oldie.
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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #63 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 4:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 3:54pm:

First of all we're not talking about power lines -
we're talking about those gigantic transmission lines.

Good. From the looks of the structure it is 500Kv not 66Kv.
A much more dangerous place to work.

If just one of those lines come down there would be mayhem. If after a solar panel install job it would smash them. If during a solar panel install job, there would be notices of regret to the workers households.

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #64 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 5:34pm

lee wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 4:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 3:54pm:

First of all we're not talking about power lines -
we're talking about those gigantic transmission lines.

Good. From the looks of the structure it is 500Kv not 66Kv.
A much more dangerous place to work.

If just one of those lines come down there would be mayhem. If after a solar panel install job it would smash them. If during a solar panel install job, there would be notices of regret to the workers households.

It's a viable business model.
Your argument is the same as

we should never fix the roads because
a road worker could get run over by a car.

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #65 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 6:25pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 5:34pm:

It's a viable business model.
Your argument is the same as

we should never fix the roads because
a road worker could get run over by a car.

Hmm. Roadworkers, hivis vests, stop/go signs, run one down your in the manure.

High tension line breaks, who to blame? God? The person who allowed working under the high tension lines? Big Government/Big compensation.

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #66 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 6:30pm

lee wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 6:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 5:34pm:

It's a viable business model.
Your argument is the same as

we should never fix the roads because
a road worker could get run over by a car.

Hmm. Roadworkers, hivis vests, stop/go signs, run one down your in the manure.

High tension line breaks, who to blame? God? The person who allowed working under the high tension lines? Big Government/Big compensation.

dear Lee,
your argument is very weak - can you see that?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21541 Gender:	Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant Reply #67 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 7:46pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 6:30pm: dear Lee, your argument is very weak - can you see that? Simple assess the risk. I'll let you underwrite the risk.
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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #68 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 7:49pm

lee wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 7:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 6:30pm:

dear Lee,
your argument is very weak - can you see that?

Simple assess the risk.

I'll let you underwrite the risk.

If your argument was strong then no one would be able to work underneath the transmission lines.
How do they mow the grass?
How do they maintain the towers & lines?

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #69 - Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 8:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 7:49pm:

If your argument was strong then no one would be able to work underneath the transmission lines.
How do they mow the grass?

Either very quickly or with chemicals, i presume.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 7:49pm:

How do they maintain the towers & lines?

With very specialised gear. Plus generally they close that section of line.

"Traditionally, the transmission line would have been de-energized, grounded, and either a line worker would have utilized a spacer cart to move out on the line to replace the spacer, or the line would have been lowered and the spacer replaced and the conductor strengthened."

http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/guidelines-for-the-construction-and-mai...

I am not sure how long it would take to completely install 200m (approx span width) of panels. Concrete footings, panel frames, wiring. Rinse and repeat for your 10kms.

I doubt they would close the section of the transmission line for weeks.

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #70 - Jan 24^th, 2018 at 8:03am

lee wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 8:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 7:49pm:

If your argument was strong then no one would be able to work underneath the transmission lines.
How do they mow the grass?

Either very quickly or with chemicals, i presume.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2018 at 7:49pm:

How do they maintain the towers & lines?

With very specialised gear. Plus generally they close that section of line.

"Traditionally, the transmission line would have been de-energized, grounded, and either a line worker would have utilized a spacer cart to move out on the line to replace the spacer, or the line would have been lowered and the spacer replaced and the conductor strengthened."

http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/guidelines-for-the-construction-and-mai...

I am not sure how long it would take to completely install 200m (approx span width) of panels. Concrete footings, panel frames, wiring. Rinse and repeat for your 10kms.

I doubt they would close the section of the transmission line for weeks.

Your argument is still weak.

The largest problem would be to connect the step up transformer
to the high voltage lines but
that is all in a days work for the experts.

There must be 1000s of kilometers of wasted land underneath
high voltage transmission lines.

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #71 - Jan 24^th, 2018 at 11:15am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 8:03am:

The largest problem would be to connect the step up transformer
to the high voltage lines but
that is all in a days work for the experts.

I would have thought that getting the phases right between the two sources would have been the hardest.

You do know connection is only one part. I saw you skipped over completely the actual placement of the panels under the wires.

But, if you have any evidence to back up you assertions, go to it.

Dos your, apparently stronger, argument include facts?

But anyway look at this -
http://www.eirgridgroup.com/site-files/library/EirGrid/Solar-Farm-Clearances-Rep...

But you would expect it to have been done somewhere if feasible.

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #72 - Jan 24^th, 2018 at 2:44pm

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 11:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 8:03am:

The largest problem would be to connect the step up transformer
to the high voltage lines but
that is all in a days work for the experts.

I would have thought that getting the phases right between the two sources would have been the hardest.

You do know connection is only one part. I saw you skipped over completely the actual placement of the panels under the wires.

But, if you have any evidence to back up you assertions, go to it.

Dos your, apparently stronger, argument include facts?

But anyway look at this -
http://www.eirgridgroup.com/site-files/library/EirGrid/Solar-Farm-Clearances-Rep...

But you would expect it to have been done somewhere if feasible.

Your link is not loading.

What did you expect from me? -
a 2000 page feasability study?

All I'm saying is that we have wasted land under and near high voltage transmission lines - let's use it.

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #73 - Jan 24^th, 2018 at 3:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Your link is not loading.

It works for me.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

What did you expect from me? -
a 2000 page feasability study?

Nope.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

All I'm saying is that we have wasted land under and near high voltage transmission lines - let's use it.

First you have to show it is wasted. That is it is suitable for a purpose. Better if it is suitable for the purpose you propose.

I googled "solar farms under transmission lines". i got no hits for it being done. I got hits from people like minded as yourself; so it has been thought of.

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #74 - Jan 24^th, 2018 at 4:42pm

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 3:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Your link is not loading.

It works for me.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

What did you expect from me? -
a 2000 page feasability study?

Nope.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 24^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

All I'm saying is that we have wasted land under and near high voltage transmission lines - let's use it.

First you have to show it is wasted. That is it is suitable for a purpose. Better if it is suitable for the purpose you propose.

I googled "solar farms under transmission lines". i got no hits for it being done. I got hits from people like minded as yourself; so it has been thought of.

you lot don't want solar panels period !

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