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Reply #15 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:23pm

lee wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:05pm:

no not with that lot in canberra. they are still working out how to keep on old cold fired power station going that's way past its use by date.

Is that because the uptake of renewables is too slow? If it were to close tomorrow, where would the reliable elctricity come from to replace it?

"Melbourne hospitals, including The Alfred, have enacted a 'Code Yellow' and switched off non-essential lights and equipment to conserve energy amid Friday's searing heat."

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-hospitals-on-code-yellow-as-heat-pos...

But surely we can better in 2018 than burning lumps of coal?
It's so primitive -
it's something that was done 1000s of years ago.

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Reply #16 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:28pm

lee wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:05pm:

no not with that lot in canberra. they are still working out how to keep on old cold fired power station going that's way past its use by date.

Is that because the uptake of renewables is too slow? If it were to close tomorrow, where would the reliable elctricity come from to replace it?

"Melbourne hospitals, including The Alfred, have enacted a 'Code Yellow' and switched off non-essential lights and equipment to conserve energy amid Friday's searing heat."

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-hospitals-on-code-yellow-as-heat-pos...

Why ? Solar energy produces maximum powered when it is most needed during the hottest part of the day. And I hear that dirty dan is looking at following the lead in Sth Australia with a Tesla backup battery.

And you conveniently left this out.

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"Hospitals within Alfred Health have strong back up and emergency power supply capacity and in the event of a power outage expect clinical services to continue without interruption."

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #17 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:23pm:

lee wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:05pm:

no not with that lot in canberra. they are still working out how to keep on old cold fired power station going that's way past its use by date.

Is that because the uptake of renewables is too slow? If it were to close tomorrow, where would the reliable elctricity come from to replace it?

"Melbourne hospitals, including The Alfred, have enacted a 'Code Yellow' and switched off non-essential lights and equipment to conserve energy amid Friday's searing heat."

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-hospitals-on-code-yellow-as-heat-pos...

But surely we can better in 2018 than burning lumps of coal?
It's so primitive -
it's something that was done 1000s of years ago.

the liberals will wreck the planet until there is nothing left to wreck. Denial and wrecking is in their dna Sad

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #18 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:53pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:29pm:

the liberals will wreck the planet until there is nothing left to wreck. Denial and wrecking is in their dna Sad

Hi Nail,
I don't really understand it.
Labor introduced a carbon tax and I thought
the tax money was going to be spent on renewable energy -
like solar thermal power stations.

What happened?

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #19 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 10:09pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:28pm:

Why ? Solar energy produces maximum powered when it is most needed during the hottest part of the day.

You do know that hospitals operate 24/7? You do know that when people get home on hot days they turn ON the air-conditioner?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:28pm:

And you conveniently left this out.

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"Hospitals within Alfred Health have strong back up and emergency power supply capacity and in the event of a power outage expect clinical services to continue without interruption."

So they will continue clinical services? But not run air-conditioning which is not a clinical service?

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #20 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 10:39pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:23pm:

But surely we can better in 2018 than burning lumps of coal?
It's so primitive -
it's something that was done 1000s of years ago.

Yes it is primitive. It was something done 1000 years ago.

But it is cheap, abundant and modern plants burn coal more efficiently, and sequestrate particulate matter well.

Now of course there is uranium, but that gets a lot of bad press.

Renewables don't cut it on energy density grounds.

But humans are nothing if not innovative. I believe a solutin will be found.

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Reply #21 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 10:43pm

lee wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 10:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:23pm:

But surely we can better in 2018 than burning lumps of coal?
It's so primitive -
it's something that was done 1000s of years ago.

Yes it is primitive. It was something done 1000 years ago.

But it is cheap, abundant and modern plants burn coal more efficiently, and sequestrate particulate matter well.

Now of course there is uranium, but that gets a lot of bad press.

Renewables don't cut it on energy density grounds.

But humans are nothing if not innovative. I believe a solution will be found.

I hope Thorium power & fusion power will come online
within 10 years or so.

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Reply #22 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:13am

lee wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 10:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:23pm:

But surely we can better in 2018 than burning lumps of coal?
It's so primitive -
it's something that was done 1000s of years ago.

Yes it is primitive. It was something done 1000 years ago.

But it is cheap, abundant and modern plants burn coal more efficiently, and sequestrate particulate matter well.

Now of course there is uranium, but that gets a lot of bad press.

Renewables don't cut it on energy density grounds.

But humans are nothing if not innovative. I believe a solutin will be found.

asbestos is cheap but it is harmful. Same with coal !

you conservatives love a centralized energy system and there is plenty of abundant arid land for renewable installations in australia so what is the problem about energy density then ? There is no problem. The only problem is that sh.t in canberra hanging onto a 16th century mindset Sad

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Reply #23 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:56am

lee wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 10:09pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:28pm:

Why ? Solar energy produces maximum powered when it is most needed during the hottest part of the day.

You do know that hospitals operate 24/7? You do know that when people get home on hot days they turn ON the air-conditioner?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:28pm:

And you conveniently left this out.

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"Hospitals within Alfred Health have strong back up and emergency power supply capacity and in the event of a power outage expect clinical services to continue without interruption."

So they will continue clinical services? But not run air-conditioning which is not a clinical service?

they can deck out their basement with some Tesla batteries and get rid of those crappy deisel generators. The batteries can be trickle charged from green energy from the grid ready to go at an instance. No problems about blackouts for them Wink

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Reply #24 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:00am

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Ivanpah solar plant, built to limit greenhouse gases, is burning more natural gas

The behemoth Ivanpah solar power plant built with federal subsidies to combat climate change is using increasing amounts of natural gas, a greenhouse-gas-emitting fuel, state and federal data show.

The most recent numbers from the California Air Resources Board show that in 2015, the plant’s second year of operation, carbon emissions from Ivanpah’s gas use jumped by 48.4 percent to 68,676 metric tons.

That’s more than twice the pollution threshold for power plants or factories in California to be required to participate in the state’s cap-and-trade program to reduce carbon emissions.
Carbon emissions data for 2016 won’t be available until the end of this year, but data made public by the U.S. Energy Information Administration show that natural gas consumption at the plant increased by about 7 percent during the first three quarters of 2016 when compared to the same period in 2015.

https://www.pe.com/2017/01/23/ivanpah-solar-plant-built-to-limit-greenhouse-gase...

Ivanpah burns a shitload of gas to produce this power.

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #25 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:54am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:13am:

asbestos is cheap but it is harmful. Same with coal !

So if coal is so harmful perhaps we should get rid of it; in controlled circumstances of course. Wink

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:13am:

you conservatives love a centralized energy system

No I love a decentralised system, where a fault on on component doesn't affect the whole grid.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:13am:

there is plenty of abundant arid land for renewable installations in australia so what is the problem about energy density then ?

You have heard of transmission losses?

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #26 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 11:03am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:56am:

hey can deck out their basement with some Tesla batteries and get rid of those crappy deisel generators. The batteries can be trickle charged from green energy from the grid ready to go at an instance. No problems about blackouts for them

Just how big do you think the air-conditioners are? Just how big the basement?

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Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant
Reply #27 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 11:43am

lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:54am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:13am:

asbestos is cheap but it is harmful. Same with coal !

So if coal is so harmful perhaps we should get rid of it; in controlled circumstances of course. Wink

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:13am:

you conservatives love a centralized energy system

No I love a decentralised system, where a fault on on component doesn't affect the whole grid.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:13am:

there is plenty of abundant arid land for renewable installations in australia so what is the problem about energy density then ?

You have heard of transmission losses?

What about putting solar panels on the wasted land below transmission lines?

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122135 Melbourne Gender:	Re: A Look at the World's Largest Solar Plant Reply #29 - Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 2:32pm lee wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 1:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 11:43am: What about putting solar panels on the wasted land below transmission lines? And then convert it to 66Kv or something and then feed in? Yes.
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