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Reply #30 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 12:28pm

lee wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 12:04pm:

Where have I tried to discredit AGW. Man has warmed the earth through land use changes. Think UHI. What I have tried to discredit is CAGW.

What a load of disingenuous garbage. Yet another backflip from you. This is why i don't waste my time debating you anymore

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Reply #31 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 12:36pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 12:28pm:

lee wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 12:04pm:

Where have I tried to discredit AGW. Man has warmed the earth through land use changes. Think UHI. What I have tried to discredit is CAGW.

What a load of disingenuous garbage. Yet another backflip from you. This is why i don't waste my time debating you anymore

First you would have to quote me if you think my position has changed. Assertions just don't do it for me.

You don't enter into debate. I critique a piec you write and then you run away. Wink

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Reply #32 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 2:39pm

Look at what they were saying in 2007:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm

Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

By Jonathan Amos
Science reporter, BBC News, San Francisco

Arctic summer melting in 2007 set new records

More details

Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.

Summer melting this year reduced the ice cover to 4.13 million sq km, the smallest ever extent in modern times.

Remarkably, this stunning low point was not even incorporated into the model runs of Professor Maslowski and his team, which used data sets from 1979 to 2004 to constrain their future projections.

In the end, it will just melt away quite suddenly
Professor Peter Wadhams
"Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007," the researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, explained to the BBC.

"So given that fact, you can argue that may be

our projection of 2013 is already too conservative."

Former US Vice President Al Gore cited Professor Maslowski's analysis on Monday in his acceptance speech at the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony in Oslo.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by Reply #33 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:04pm A million square kilometres of Arctic Ocean were ice free last NH summer. Even Dubyne agreed to that, Bobby. You can try to file and hammer facts but they just do not fit an ice age theory, Bobby, sorry.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21541 Gender:	Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by Reply #34 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:07pm Bernt Balchen said 2000. https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zmI0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=L5wEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5376,320...
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Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by
Reply #35 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:09pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:04pm:

A million square kilometres of Arctic Ocean were ice free last NH summer. Even Dubyne agreed to that, Bobby.

You can try to file and hammer facts but they just do not fit an ice age theory, Bobby, sorry.

And the significance of that? Only since 1978. Another world record. Grin

Remember they sailed the Arctic long ago. Did you think they used ice breakers then?

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Reply #36 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:11pm

lee wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:07pm:

Bernt Balchen said 2000.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zmI0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=L5wEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5376,320...

Good example -

ice fee by the year 2000.

You wouldn't have wanted to place a bet on it would you?

Good job that Monk is not a betting man.

How about Al Gore getting a Nobel prize for false predictions?

Of course Monk is on Al Gore's side - all the way!

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by Reply #37 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:14pm What was the fee for ice, Bobby?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21541 Gender:	Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by Reply #38 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:16pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:14pm: What was the fee for ice, Bobby? Oh dear the great JM forced to ridicule finger errors. How low do you want to set the bar?
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Reply #39 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:19pm

But keep hammering square pegs into round holes, Bobby.

2017 was the second or third hottest year (see my OP “2017 second hottest year”) and it was not an El Nino year.

2017 not an El Nino year and it was nearly as hot as 2016 which was an El Nino year. That is something to think about.

The OP to this thread is wrong as I have shown by posting the abstract of the paper.

Ice ages are a long way off.

The Maunder Minimum cooled parts of the NH by about 0.3–0.4°C. The Earth has warmed 1.2°C since 1850. The effect of any GSM now will be miniscule.

Bobby knows this: he very carefully did not date the MM after we had agreed on when the LIA started. So why is he posting about a major ice age????

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21541 Gender:	Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by Reply #40 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:22pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:19pm: Ice ages are a long way off. Oh for an accurate prediction. They seem to fail so often from thr alarmist camp.
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Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by
Reply #41 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:31pm

lee wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:22pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:19pm:

Ice ages are a long way off.

Oh for an accurate prediction. They seem to fail so often from the alarmist camp. Wink

Hi lee,
correct me if I'm wrong -

didn't we just see the ice go all the way from the North pole
down to Florida in the USA?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by Reply #42 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:33pm I think you mean snow, Bobby.
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122135 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by Reply #43 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:55pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I think you mean snow, Bobby. Then why do you follow that snake oil salesman called Al Gore? He is now so discredited.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21541 Gender:	Re: Scientists predict 'mini ice age' could hit UK by Reply #44 - Jan 20^th, 2018 at 4:05pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 3:33pm: I think you mean snow, Bobby. Is that like Viner's "children won't know what snow is" - prediction 2000.
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