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Reply #90 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 1:38am

Jasin wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 11:05pm:

...........Trees create 'shade'. Shade protect worms and other critters that reinvigorate the soil. Proven fact. Giant 'shade cloths' are a Sci-Fi concept, but sum up what's needed if you want 'fertile' soil.
Forests create a 'cooling' effect under the canopy for starters...........

yes, I put in a Butterfly Forest in our backyard last year.
Soil is totally shaded.
We have many animals living here now.
Above and below the mulch

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Reply #92 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 2:29am

Jasin wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 11:05pm:

The Great Artesian Basin is a finite source of water. It's been said that is has been 'half used up' already. I wouldn't be surprised.

Trees create 'shade'. Shade protect worms and other critters that reinvigorate the soil. Proven fact. Giant 'shade cloths' are a Sci-Fi concept, but sum up what's needed if you want 'fertile' soil.
Forests create a 'cooling' effect under the canopy for starters.
South Americans used minor canal systems - where the moisture from the water would 'water' the surrounding crops during the night and hence why they could do such massive crops back then.
Constant 'ducting' of the Water Canals would create a constant 'movement' of water to prevent things going 'stagnant'.

...basically, if 'we' can't turn the interior of Australia into a 'Garden' - then we've got 'buckleys' of habitat/terraforming other planets (like Mars for starters).
You either start here, right now - or just forget it!
If 'Western' culture can't do it, then follow the advice of other cultures that can.
Even now, West Africans are creating a 'Great Tree Wall' against the onset of the Sahara desert and ...its working in a small way with its early beginning.

I wouldn't rely too heavily on the CSIRO. They've been responsible for a few stuff-ups and are chiefly hamstrung by Political fundings.
Hell, they sacked some Dutch guy who 'cured' Farmer's lands of 'chemical sterilisation' a foot deep (due to years of using chemicals/pesticides/etc) ...because he didn't conform to their 'Political' control policies.
Twats! Basically. Roll Eyes

CSIRO is great in some respects, but its also a control freak that thinks 'science' is the answer to everything - only!
Putting PACU Piranha in a Papuan River system is just another of their crazy efforts of 'short term' answers due to Govt fundings.

Anyway - keep the dream alive.
Keep looking for the

...INLAND SEA.

It would be good if we had another planet going in case this one blows up.

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Reply #93 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:02am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 1:38am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 11:05pm:

...........Trees create 'shade'. Shade protect worms and other critters that reinvigorate the soil. Proven fact. Giant 'shade cloths' are a Sci-Fi concept, but sum up what's needed if you want 'fertile' soil.
Forests create a 'cooling' effect under the canopy for starters...........

yes, I put in a Butterfly Forest in our backyard last year.
Soil is totally shaded.
We have many animals living here now.
Above and below the mulch

The Aust' sun can be a harsh customer. Even Africans come here and say "Man it's bright here!". Due to the surrounding ocean that 'reflects' light back onto the atmosphere (like

Venus

). So whatever 'shade' we can give the soil, will return a better quality - that hasn't been dried out.
Hell, if

Wollemi Pine

can survive millions of years in a nicely 'shaded' gully... Wink

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Reply #94 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 9:03am

Johnnie wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 2:29am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 20^th, 2018 at 11:05pm:

The Great Artesian Basin is a finite source of water. It's been said that is has been 'half used up' already. I wouldn't be surprised.

Trees create 'shade'. Shade protect worms and other critters that reinvigorate the soil. Proven fact. Giant 'shade cloths' are a Sci-Fi concept, but sum up what's needed if you want 'fertile' soil.
Forests create a 'cooling' effect under the canopy for starters.
South Americans used minor canal systems - where the moisture from the water would 'water' the surrounding crops during the night and hence why they could do such massive crops back then.
Constant 'ducting' of the Water Canals would create a constant 'movement' of water to prevent things going 'stagnant'.

...basically, if 'we' can't turn the interior of Australia into a 'Garden' - then we've got 'buckleys' of habitat/terraforming other planets (like Mars for starters).
You either start here, right now - or just forget it!
If 'Western' culture can't do it, then follow the advice of other cultures that can.
Even now, West Africans are creating a 'Great Tree Wall' against the onset of the Sahara desert and ...its working in a small way with its early beginning.

I wouldn't rely too heavily on the CSIRO. They've been responsible for a few stuff-ups and are chiefly hamstrung by Political fundings.
Hell, they sacked some Dutch guy who 'cured' Farmer's lands of 'chemical sterilisation' a foot deep (due to years of using chemicals/pesticides/etc) ...because he didn't conform to their 'Political' control policies.
Twats! Basically. Roll Eyes

CSIRO is great in some respects, but its also a control freak that thinks 'science' is the answer to everything - only!
Putting PACU Piranha in a Papuan River system is just another of their crazy efforts of 'short term' answers due to Govt fundings.

Anyway - keep the dream alive.
Keep looking for the

...INLAND SEA.

It would be good if we had another planet going in case this one blows up.

Yes - I'm not embarrassed to say: a nice 'contingency' plan is always a good policy to have.

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Reply #95 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 10:47am

That crop can only be cotton.

@Monk

They tried cotton on the Ord but the insects defeated them the first time decades ago.

They are right now looking at cotton again using GM cotton and a few more things.

I think they even tried SIT (Sterile Insect Technique) with Heliothis ,,, but obviously it did not work.
Although thinking about it they may not have used SIT on heliothis since it is a native insect.

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Reply #96 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 11:27am

But they are growing cotton on the Darling River, Cubby Station etc and we are talking about Central Australia.

My pet project—keep Lake Eyre permanently flooded to moderate the climate in the centre and areas east. Probably way too shallow.

BuMet are not in favor of my idea—too much controversy I think—and told me wtte a high develops and sits on the L. Eyre region. Weather systems are not stationary forever!

If sea levels rise much further—we will see a flooded Lake Eyre anyway

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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Irrigate central Australia ............ Reply #98 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 11:57am There is already an irrigation scheme in north western Australia. The Ord River scheme has been running since Lake Argyle was created in 1972 with only limited success.
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Reply #99 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 12:13pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 21^st, 2018 at 11:57am:

There is already an irrigation scheme in north western Australia. The Ord River scheme has been running since Lake Argyle was created in 1972 with only limited success.

Yes, I've heard about that. Was it due to less funding?
Less interest by CSIRO? Just a short term appeasement project?

...I wonder? What would a big inland lake the size of Baikal or Chad (before they were sucked dry by farmers, cities) be like in the middle of OZ? A permanent fixture on the environment? Would it create 'wetlands' for much wildlife?
Would it support a vein/artery system of waterways that spread to and from the Lake?

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Reply #100 - Jan 21^st, 2018 at 12:34pm

There is already an irrigation scheme in north western Australia. The Ord River scheme has been running since Lake Argyle was created in 1972 with only limited success.

Yes as I pointed out earlier the only thing keeping Kununurra agriculture going is the dodgy Indian Sandalwood Ponzi schemes.
Quintis (Tropical Forest Services ) the biggest Sandalwood grower is on the brink of going broke as well.
Which is ok if some decent company buys up the plantations cheap, and run them properly they may work.

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