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Reply #30 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:50pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

How do Historians prove that a city mentioned in an old text did not in fact exist?

When they dig in that city and find at the lowest layers only artifacts from a particular period, it's pretty certain that the city started at the time of the oldest artifacts.

How do they know they are digging in the right city? And how do they dig up the entire city?

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Reply #31 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:05pm

The Jews have always been there and didn't come from Egypt, they should pick this up and run with it, as this must strengthen their claim to the ancient lands, particularly Jerusalem which has the lefties and the muzzies in a tiz at the moment.

They were the Cro-Magnons of the M.E.

Much better prospect than the blood crazed emulators of old muhammad.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51296 At my desk.	Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly Reply #32 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:06pm The Jews do not currently occupy Israel because of a just historical claim. They occupy it because they kill anyone who tries to boot them out.
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly Reply #33 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:10pm No wonder the rock and trees tell muslims where they are hiding so the muzzies can kill them. It's enough to make you cry
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Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly
Reply #34 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:13pm

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 4:02pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

How do Historians prove that a city mentioned in an old text did not in fact exist?

Inconvenient truths, such as Archaeology reveals, FD. Revealed by the lack of remains in the correct strata of the earth. Roll Eyes

Of course, the Jews wouldn't lie, now would they, FD? No, they're not like the Muslims, are they? Or the Christians or even the Australians, now are they? Roll Eyes

So absence of evidence is evidence of absence?

Well, outside of your mind, FD, its usually considered pretty convincing that if the Jews claimed a city was present when they entered Palestine, after fleeing Egypt and there is no evidence to support that claim then the Jews are telling themselves fairy stories...

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Reply #35 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:17pm

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

How do Historians prove that a city mentioned in an old text did not in fact exist?

When they dig in that city and find at the lowest layers only artifacts from a particular period, it's pretty certain that the city started at the time of the oldest artifacts.

How do they know they are digging in the right city? And how do they dig up the entire city?

Seriously FD, you are just grasping at straws. Why do you need the exodus to have occurred? What is your dog in this fight?

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Reply #36 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:27pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:17pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

How do Historians prove that a city mentioned in an old text did not in fact exist?

When they dig in that city and find at the lowest layers only artifacts from a particular period, it's pretty certain that the city started at the time of the oldest artifacts.

How do they know they are digging in the right city? And how do they dig up the entire city?

Seriously FD, you are just grasping at straws. Why do you need the exodus to have occurred? What is your dog in this fight?

I am just calling you out on a statement of fact, that appears to be based on a very simple logical fallacy. How do the archaeologists know where to dig in order to find something they think does not exist?

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Reply #37 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:34pm

moses wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

The Jews have always been there and didn't come from Egypt, they should pick this up and run with it, as this must strengthen their claim to the ancient lands, particularly Jerusalem which has the lefties and the muzzies in a tiz at the moment.

They were the Cro-Magnons of the M.E.

Much better prospect than the blood crazed emulators of old muhammad.

What do you think, FD? Absence of evidence is now evidence, eh?

But of course. You won't say.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98973	Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly Reply #38 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:38pm The Roman Empire was a democracy, Muslims started the dark ages, Aztecs and Incans may or may not have had presidents, and Palestine was promised to the Jews by G_d. Whatever you do, FD, don't say Jehovah.
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Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly
Reply #39 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:46pm

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:17pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

How do Historians prove that a city mentioned in an old text did not in fact exist?

When they dig in that city and find at the lowest layers only artifacts from a particular period, it's pretty certain that the city started at the time of the oldest artifacts.

How do they know they are digging in the right city? And how do they dig up the entire city?

Seriously FD, you are just grasping at straws. Why do you need the exodus to have occurred? What is your dog in this fight?

I am just calling you out on a statement of fact, that appears to be based on a very simple logical fallacy. How do the archaeologists know where to dig in order to find something they think does not exist?

No, you're not, I can't say for certain but I would say they know where these cities are because they were around at a later date and their existence recorded. If they were not extant cities when archaeologists dig, there is nothing stopping them from digging where ever they like and as deep as they like. The fact of the matter is that archaeology says that some of the cities did not exist at the time of the exodus and you will need to come up with something better than grasping at straws to show they did.

I would like to ask you again, why do you need the exodus to be a reality when all the evidence, all the archaeologists and historians say it never happened? Why do you have a dog in this?

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Reply #40 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:56pm

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The fact of the matter is that archaeology says that some of the cities did not exist at the time of the exodus and you will need to come up with something better than grasping at straws to show they did.

Archaeology does not say that.

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If they were not extant cities when archaeologists dig, there is nothing stopping them from digging where ever they like and as deep as they like.

And how do you know when you have proven the city did not exist? Do you think funding and angry locals might be something stopping them? Often they have a modern city built on top of them, so digging up the entire thing might be a bit expensive.

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Reply #41 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 10:04pm

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

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The fact of the matter is that archaeology says that some of the cities did not exist at the time of the exodus and you will need to come up with something better than grasping at straws to show they did.

Archaeology does not say that.

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If they were not extant cities when archaeologists dig, there is nothing stopping them from digging where ever they like and as deep as they like.

And how do you know when you have proven the city did not exist? Do you think funding and angry locals might be something stopping them? Often they have a modern city built on top of them, so digging up the entire thing might be a bit expensive.

Archaeology does say that.

More grasping at straws... Why?

I'm quite happy for you to believe whatever TF you like and I'm happy to stop discussing it with you as you obviously need this event to be historical for some reason you will not communicate. Just be aware the only company you will have in your thought bubble are crazies like bible literalists.

If you want to drop it, I'm happy with that. Well perhaps a little Roll Eyes

when you try to use it as an actual event.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51296 At my desk.	Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly Reply #42 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 10:07pm I have no particular need to believe it. I just don't understand how archaeologists can prove that something never existed, or why you would say there is nothing stopping them digging wherever they want. Also, why do you speak of archaeology like it is a person?
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Reply #43 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 10:20pm

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

I have no particular need to believe it. I just don't understand how archaeologists can prove that something never existed, or why you would say there is nothing stopping them digging wherever they want. Also, why do you speak of archaeology like it is a person?

If they dig on a site, you're free to go and google what they do, and find no evidence of that being a city before a certain date due to the artifacts people invariable leave behind, absence of evidence is evidence of absence unless some being cleaned the place up. People leave refuse . If there are no remnants of people living there before a certain date, people did not live there in sufficient numbers to be called a city. It's really not that hard.

Instead of grasping at straws, go read what they do and how they do it, see if you can make a more informed decision.
I speak of archaeology not as a person but as a science. Would I be speaking of physics as a person if I said the laws of thermodynamics says you cannot get out more energy than you put in?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98973	Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly Reply #44 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 11:03pm Ask FD if he upholds the use of porkies in his campaign against the Muselman, Setanta. You'll get a rousing response there.
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