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Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly
Reply #15 - Dec 17^th, 2017 at 1:02am

Johnnie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:56am:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:52am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:49am:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:44am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:28am:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:18am:

Rocks talk and donkeys fly, that is as funny as a put down as I have ever heard, almost worth a smiley face.

No more weird than talking burning bushes, raised decomposing corpses, a man wrestling with god, seas parting, etc. When we finally call all these desert religions out for what they are...

Except the Muslims continue with this garbage full on and the others are prepared to let it go, the 700 virgins are still running strong as.

Like I've said, I've worked with fundy christians, heard their daily conversations, what they really believe, the bible is the word of god and literally true. The fact they don't go around acting on it, mostly, is a good thing but the sickness is still there.

Which mob are going all out in extreme ways to hang on to the old days.

I have no love of Islam, it's a poison of the mind. I also have no love of the other ideologies that poison peoples minds. I'm quite capable of seeing which one is more of a problem currently. I'm also capable of calling out one snake oil salesman telling people to not buy the others snake oil.

Then you would agree its the Muslims, we can all see it, Islam needs to be curtailed in the west before we are overrun .

Overrun by what? People or ideas?

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly Reply #16 - Dec 17^th, 2017 at 6:22am greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 5:10pm: Karnal wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 3:01pm: And don't forget, G_d appeared to Moses behind a burning bush. Right, Moses? moses got OWNED! He'll never be able to show his face here again. The closet Muzlim shows his hand again.
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Reply #17 - Dec 17^th, 2017 at 7:32am

Setanta wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:49am:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:44am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:28am:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:18am:

Rocks talk and donkeys fly, that is as funny as a put down as I have ever heard, almost worth a smiley face.

No more weird than talking burning bushes, raised decomposing corpses, a man wrestling with god, seas parting, etc. When we finally call all these desert religions out for what they are...

Except the Muslims continue with this garbage full on and the others are prepared to let it go, the 700 virgins are still running strong as.

Like I've said, I've worked with fundy christians, heard their daily conversations, hearing what they really believe when they talk amongst themselves, the bible is the word of god and literally true. The fact they don't go around acting on it, mostly, is a good thing but the sickness is still there waiting to enter the world.

What are you so worried will enter the world? Don't you think it might actually be a better place if they forgave and turned the other cheek?

Setanta wrote on Dec 16^th, 2017 at 11:00pm:

I agree Islam is not a doctrine compatible with the west, it has not gone through the change it needs to become so but one for Moses is the Golden Calf story when he comes down from Mt Sinai. Exodus 32:27.

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27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”

Funnily enough Moses did not take his own words to heart and kill Aaron who instigated the Golden Calf idol.

But then the Exodus never happened.

It is one of the best documented historical events of the time. How do you think Israel started?

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Reply #18 - Dec 17^th, 2017 at 11:39am

Setanta wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:56am:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:52am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:49am:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:44am:

Setanta wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:28am:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:18am:

Rocks talk and donkeys fly, that is as funny as a put down as I have ever heard, almost worth a smiley face.

No more weird than talking burning bushes, raised decomposing corpses, a man wrestling with god, seas parting, etc. When we finally call all these desert religions out for what they are...

Except the Muslims continue with this garbage full on and the others are prepared to let it go, the 700 virgins are still running strong as.

Like I've said, I've worked with fundy christians, heard their daily conversations, what they really believe, the bible is the word of god and literally true. The fact they don't go around acting on it, mostly, is a good thing but the sickness is still there.

Which mob are going all out in extreme ways to hang on to the old days.

I have no love of Islam, it's a poison of the mind. I also have no love of the other ideologies that poison peoples minds. I'm quite capable of seeing which one is more of a problem currently. I'm also capable of calling out one snake oil salesman telling people to not buy the others snake oil.

Then you would agree its the Muslims, we can all see it, Islam needs to be curtailed in the west before we are overrun .

Overrun by what? People or ideas?

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Reply #19 - Dec 17^th, 2017 at 12:05pm

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And don't forget, G_d appeared to Moses behind a burning bush.

Right, Moses?

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moses got OWNED!

He'll never be able to show his face here again.

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Yes, but Moses will tell you Jesus came along and changed all that. He doesn't believe in all that old fashioned banning and killing and hating, he's been born again.

As Moses.

Indeed ancient writings are full of all sorts of strange things.

However for me the qur'an still takes the cake as the worst of the worst as far as being a full blown handbook for islamic atrocities.

Today we have the Jews and Christians living their lives aspiring to becoming modern progressive societies.

muslims on the other hand well, beheadings, child marriage, inbreeding, illiteracy, poverty, still aiming for world domination and all religion for allah, the highest grade of muslims are the ones who slay and are slain, still murdering apostates, still murdering corrupt muslims, death and destruction abounds in the muslim world etc. etc..

Why is this?

There is only one honest answer, the root cause and motivation for muslims self induced degeneracy is islam, pure and simple.

until the muslims and their leftard apologists decide to be truthful about this, the bloodshed will never stop.

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Reply #20 - Dec 17^th, 2017 at 5:10pm

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 7:32am:

It is one of the best documented historical events of the time. How do you think Israel started?

There is absolutely no evidence of it. The Israelites were always there in the hills, they were Canaanites, they did not come from elsewhere. It's a story, a myth, to give themselves a foundation.

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Despite being regarded in Judaism as the primary factual historical narrative of the origin of the religion, culture and ethnicity, Exodus is now accepted by scholars as having been compiled in the 8th–7th centuries BCE from stories dating possibly as far back as the 13th century BCE, with further polishing in the 6th–5th centuries BCE, as a theological and political manifesto to unite the Israelites in the then‐current battle for territory against Egypt.[4]

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The archaeological evidence of local Canaanite, rather than Egyptian, origins of the kingdoms of Judah and Israel is "overwhelming," and leaves "no room for an Exodus from Egypt or a 40‐year pilgrimage through the Sinai wilderness."[5] The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult objects are of the Canaanite god El, the pottery is in the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet is early Canaanite. Almost the sole marker distinguishing Israelite villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones.

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William Dever, an archaeologist normally associated with the more conservative end of Syro-Palestinian archaeology, has labeled the question of the historicity of Exodus “dead.” Israeli archaeologist Ze'ev Herzog provides the current consensus view on the historicity of the Exodus;[6]

“”The Israelites never were in Egypt. They never came from abroad. This whole chain is broken. It is not a historical one. It is a later legendary reconstruction — made in the seventh century [BCE] — of a history that never happened.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_Exodus

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51325 At my desk.	Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly Reply #21 - Dec 17^th, 2017 at 9:15pm Quote: There is absolutely no evidence of it. Is Israel evidence? Or does the obvious stuff not count? Quote: The Israelites were always there in the hills Sounds like a convenient myth to me.
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Reply #22 - Dec 17^th, 2017 at 9:57pm

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

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There is absolutely no evidence of it.

Is Israel evidence? Or does the obvious stuff not count?

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The Israelites were always there in the hills

Sounds like a convenient myth to me.

I have no idea of what you have mentally invested in what you believe, the ideas you hold about Israel or how you come to hold them, but you are wrong.

There's other stuff that supports what I've posted, cities that are talked about in the taking of the promised land not existing until later. El, the Cannanite god that became YHWY, even had a missus in the early days, even among the Jews. This is testified to by the discovery of statues of the gods in people's homes. Early on the Israelites were polytheistic.

Edit: Why the hell would the existence of Israel be evidence of anything other than the Balfour Agreement was carried through?

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Reply #24 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 4:02pm

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

How do Historians prove that a city mentioned in an old text did not in fact exist?

Inconvenient truths, such as Archaeology reveals, FD. Revealed by the lack of remains in the correct strata of the earth. Roll Eyes

Of course, the Jews wouldn't lie, now would they, FD? No, they're not like the Muslims, are they? Or the Christians or even the Australians, now are they? Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 4:02pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

How do Historians prove that a city mentioned in an old text did not in fact exist?

Inconvenient truths, such as Archaeology reveals, FD. Revealed by the lack of remains in the correct strata of the earth. Roll Eyes

Of course, the Jews wouldn't lie, now would they, FD? No, they're not like the Muslims, are they? Or the Christians or even the Australians, now are they? Roll Eyes

So absence of evidence is evidence of absence?

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17066 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: trees rocks talk donkeys fly Reply #28 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:41pm freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 12:23pm: How do Historians prove that a city mentioned in an old text did not in fact exist? When they dig in that city and find at the lowest layers only artifacts from a particular period, it's pretty certain that the city started at the time of the oldest artifacts.
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Reply #29 - Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:44pm

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 8:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 4:02pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

How do Historians prove that a city mentioned in an old text did not in fact exist?

Inconvenient truths, such as Archaeology reveals, FD. Revealed by the lack of remains in the correct strata of the earth. Roll Eyes

Of course, the Jews wouldn't lie, now would they, FD? No, they're not like the Muslims, are they? Or the Christians or even the Australians, now are they? Roll Eyes

So absence of evidence is evidence of absence?

In the archaeological sense most certainly, unless god cleaned the sites up to make it look like those cities were not there at the time the exodus is claimed to have happened. People aren't that clean, they just build over the top and leave the past there to be read later.

What is you problem with this? If you were rational about it and had no dog in the fight you would not give a rat's arse. It sounds like you need the exodus to be an historical fact. Do you have some religious beliefs you do not share here? That is what it sounds like.

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