Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 8 ... 22
Send Topic Print
"Allahu Akbar!" (Read 39211 times)
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 44684
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #75 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:48pm
 
moses wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 1:01pm:
Brian Ross Reply #43 - Yesterday at 4:30pm

Quote:
Yes but they left Jerusalem, by and large when the Romans expelled them from Palestine, Moses.  Please catch up with the history of the region, OK?


Did you say catch up?

Gee I mean who has control right here and right now?

Isn't it the Jews?


I've never denied that, Moses.  Erecting strawman arguments again?  Tsk, tsk.

Quote:
Quote:
'cause they have been absent from the region for most of the last ~2000 years?  No, of course not, none of that history occurred, now did it?  No, no, of course not, in Moses, book - The Bible... 


Always trying to avoid today, the 21st century, right now, the Jews are there and they are in control.


And should they be in control?  The Palestinians lived in Palestine for ~2000 years.  Their rights were ignored, they were not consulted when Israel was created.   Today, yes, the Jews control the area.  Are they doing a good job as Occupyers according to International Law, today?   Nope.    Roll Eyes

Quote:
Quote:
Perhaps because it ignores ~2000 years of history, Moses?  You know, all that intervening stuff that happened after the Jews were expelled from Palestine by the Romans?   I mean, the Jews rebelled so perhaps they deserved their expulsion? Perhaps it was just God's way of telling them they had been naughty?   Tsk, tsk.


You mean like they have come back and now control it?      


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Auggie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


The Bull Moose

Posts: 8571
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #76 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.


If anything, I consider this policy to be extremely thoughtful of the Israeli government. Why should Muslims be conscripted to face other Muslims? This may also pose a security threat for Israel.

Evidence that property rights of Israeli Muslims isn't respected??
Back to top
 

The Progressive President
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 44684
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #77 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 3:09pm
 
Auggie wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.


If anything, I consider this policy to be extremely thoughtful of the Israeli government. Why should Muslims be conscripted to face other Muslims? This may also pose a security threat for Israel.


However it also means that the Israeli Muslims have no part in protecting Israel as a nation.  They are excluded by the Jewish authorities because they are not Jewish.  Their citizenship is therefore considered second-rate, compared to the Jewish citizens.   As Moshe Dayan pointed out, in the late 1960s, this was, in his opinion, the worst mistake that the Israeli state had made in being set up.   It meant that Muslim citizens were always considered second-rate citizens.

Quote:
Evidence that property rights of Israeli Muslims isn't respected??


Israeli Muslims rights are usually based on Ottoman documentation - land deeds, titles, etc. The Israeli state does not recognise that documentation.   Israeli settlers do not recognise Muslim property rights either.   Muslim orchards and crops are always being destroyed by them, in an effort to drive them off their land.   It is all part of the Ethnic Cleansing apparatus of the Zionist state.    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #78 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:01pm
 
Brian Ross  Reply #75 - Today at 2:48pm
Quote:
I've never denied that, Moses.  Erecting strawman arguments again?  Tsk, tsk.

&

And should they be in control?  The Palestinians lived in Palestine for ~2000 years.  Their rights were ignored, they were not consulted when Israel was created.   Today, yes, the Jews control the area.  Are they doing a good job as Occupyers according to International Law, today?   Nope.


Judaism predates islam by thousands of years. Jerusalem contains the Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in Judaism.

To muslims muhammad tied his flying donkey up there.

We all know that the Jews have been dispersed numerous times, we all know the muslims hate the Jews and would slaughter ever single one of them if they had the chance. We all know islam is a religion which preaches hatred and death of Jews.

So the obvious logic is that the Jews are never going to just hand back their most sacred place to muslims, who have sworn to butcher every single one of them as a religious duty.

World events over millennia have attained to the present situation.

The Jews are back in full control of Jerusalem it is theirs.

They don't want world expansion as muslims do, they don't want world domination as muslims do.

The Jews would be  quiet happy simply contained in the old promised land borders.

The Jews are no threat to the globe, muslims are.

So I acknowledge Jewish historical archeological spiritual and physical claims to Jerusalem.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 44684
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #79 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:17pm
 
moses wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Brian Ross  Reply #75 - Today at 2:48pm
Quote:
I've never denied that, Moses.  Erecting strawman arguments again?  Tsk, tsk.

&

And should they be in control?  The Palestinians lived in Palestine for ~2000 years.  Their rights were ignored, they were not consulted when Israel was created.   Today, yes, the Jews control the area.  Are they doing a good job as Occupyers according to International Law, today?   Nope.


Judaism predates islam by thousands of years. Jerusalem contains the Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in Judaism.

To muslims muhammad tied his flying donkey up there.

We all know that the Jews have been dispersed numerous times, we all know the muslims hate the Jews and would slaughter ever single one of them if they had the chance. We all know islam is a religion which preaches hatred and death of Jews.

So the obvious logic is that the Jews are never going to just hand back their most sacred place to muslims, who have sworn to butcher every single one of them as a religious duty.

World events over millennia have attained to the present situation.

The Jews are back in full control of Jerusalem it is theirs.

They don't want world expansion as muslims do, they don't want world domination as muslims do.

The Jews would be  quiet happy simply contained in the old promised land borders.

The Jews are no threat to the globe, muslims are.

So I acknowledge Jewish historical archeological spiritual and physical claims to Jerusalem.      



Immaterial, Moses.  Even the Israelis have to abide by international law and at least give it lip service.

When they create a true, multi-ethnic/multi-religious Multicultural state and accord the Palestinians the same rights as the Zionists, then you might have a point.   The problem is, they haven't and are unlikely to.  Tsk, tsk. the Jewish right to control Israel and Palestine is based upon the force of arms, not the force of God.    Without Uncle Sugar there, propping their regime up, they would turn to one of the other great powers - Russia or China in the blink of an eye and transform their society to some other form just to please them.

They are bad occupiers.  They are ethnically cleansing the region of their cousins, the Palestinians.  They should be ashamed of what they have done and what they are doing.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 25212
Gender: male
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #80 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
moses wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Brian Ross  Reply #75 - Today at 2:48pm
Quote:
I've never denied that, Moses.  Erecting strawman arguments again?  Tsk, tsk.

&

And should they be in control?  The Palestinians lived in Palestine for ~2000 years.  Their rights were ignored, they were not consulted when Israel was created.   Today, yes, the Jews control the area.  Are they doing a good job as Occupyers according to International Law, today?   Nope.


Judaism predates islam by thousands of years. Jerusalem contains the Holy of Holies, the most sacred site in Judaism.

To muslims muhammad tied his flying donkey up there.

We all know that the Jews have been dispersed numerous times, we all know the muslims hate the Jews and would slaughter ever single one of them if they had the chance. We all know islam is a religion which preaches hatred and death of Jews.

So the obvious logic is that the Jews are never going to just hand back their most sacred place to muslims, who have sworn to butcher every single one of them as a religious duty.

World events over millennia have attained to the present situation.

The Jews are back in full control of Jerusalem it is theirs.

They don't want world expansion as muslims do, they don't want world domination as muslims do.

The Jews would be  quiet happy simply contained in the old promised land borders.

The Jews are no threat to the globe, muslims are.

So I acknowledge Jewish historical archeological spiritual and physical claims to Jerusalem.      



Immaterial, Moses.  Even the Israelis have to abide by international law and at least give it lip service.

When they create a true, multi-ethnic/multi-religious Multicultural state and accord the Palestinians the same rights as the Zionists, then you might have a point.   The problem is, they haven't and are unlikely to.  Tsk, tsk. the Jewish right to control Israel and Palestine is based upon the force of arms, not the force of God.    Without Uncle Sugar there, propping their regime up, they would turn to one of the other great powers - Russia or China in the blink of an eye and transform their society to some other form just to please them.

They are bad occupiers.  They are ethnically cleansing the region of their cousins, the Palestinians.  They should be ashamed of what they have done and what they are doing.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes

How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 44684
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #81 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian?


Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs."

The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine?

Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
ill allah
New Member
*
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 13
Gender: male
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #82 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian?


Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs."

The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine?

Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   Roll Eyes


Jew Haters are nasty ignorant Nazis as well as being bigots with an IQ bordering on stupid.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Mr Hammer
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 25212
Gender: male
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #83 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian?


Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs."

The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine?

Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   Roll Eyes

You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 52927
Gender: male
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #84 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:57pm
 
From the Hamas charter (Hamas was elected in Gaza)

In all that, they fear Allah and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors, so that they would rid the land and the people of their uncleanliness, vileness and evils.

Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.


There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.

The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters. [not just a thriving for inner peace, then, jihad, although that too].

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Moslem Brotherhood. It goes on to reach out and become one with another chain that includes the struggle of the Palestinians and Moslem Brotherhood in the 1948 war and the Jihad operations of the Moslem Brotherhood in 1968 and after.

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem). 


They should back and support it, as Allah wants them to, extending to it more and more funds till Allah's purpose is achieved when ranks will close up, fighters join other fighters and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty while loudly proclaiming: Hail to Jihad. Their cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

And you would want to put down your weapons in the face of such an enemy????

Do they sound like they want a two state solution, accept the existence of Israel?  Of course not.


Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 52927
Gender: male
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #85 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 5:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 12:25pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2017 at 5:12pm:
Israel, where are your Palestinians?   There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them?   Where are they now, I wonder?   Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre?   Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians?

Soren,  there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard.  Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab.   Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution.   The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state.   Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years.   The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone.  Neither side is willing to talk.   Yet you only side with the Israelis.   I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles?  Really?    Roll Eyes


Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country.



But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis...   They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces.   They are not allowed to serve.  Their property rights are not respected.  Nice sort of citizenship...   

Bollocks.

Would you conscript the stone throwing Muslim kids and give them a gun so they don't have to dirty their hands with stones? Are you completely out of what you call your mind but what we all know to be a shrivelled pea?

Show me where the Israeli Arab citizen's property rights are not respected inside Israel.

And where are the equal rights of Jews and Christians in any Muslim country, let alone in Arab Muslim countries?





Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 44684
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #86 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 6:53pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian?


Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs."

The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine?

Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   Roll Eyes

You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story.



There are two, three, four, five sides to every story, Hammer.   However, the general story is that the Zionists created Israel on the basis of a lie.   They got the British/French/Americans/Russians/etc. to help create the modern state of Israel on the basis that Palestine was an empty land and had no people in it.   This completely ignored the existence of the Palestinians.   No consultation was undertaken, no effort to include the Palestinians in this new nation.

Now, we cannot turn the clock back.  Israel exists today.   However it also controls the Occupied Territories, which it invaded in 1967 and took over.   It is making a concerted effort, with the connivance of the Americans to engage in Ethnic Cleansing.   Now, if it wasn't OK for the Serbs to do that to the Croats and the Bosnians and the Slovenians, it is not OK to have the Israelis doing that to the Palestinians.   There are numerous other examples of Ethnic Cleansing, including the Turks against the Armenians which have raised the ire of the world.  Yet the world is silent about the plight of the Palestinians.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Grendel
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 28080
Gender: male
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #87 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 7:13pm
 
Really bwian.

Isn't it true there is no State of Palestine?
Isn't it true there are no real Palestinians?
Isn't it true that the BRITISH MANDATE FOR PALESTINE  was divided up?
Isn't it true that most of it is now Jordan an Arab nation?
Is this not a map of the Ottoman Empire before the war and the dividing up of the Empire?
...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
aquascoot
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36697
Gender: male
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #88 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 7:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 6:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian?


Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs."

The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine?

Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   Roll Eyes

You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story.



There are two, three, four, five sides to every story, Hammer.   However, the general story is that the Zionists created Israel on the basis of a lie.   They got the British/French/Americans/Russians/etc. to help create the modern state of Israel on the basis that Palestine was an empty land and had no people in it.   This completely ignored the existence of the Palestinians.   No consultation was undertaken, no effort to include the Palestinians in this new nation.

Now, we cannot turn the clock back.  Israel exists today.   However it also controls the Occupied Territories, which it invaded in 1967 and took over.   It is making a concerted effort, with the connivance of the Americans to engage in Ethnic Cleansing.   Now, if it wasn't OK for the Serbs to do that to the Croats and the Bosnians and the Slovenians, it is not OK to have the Israelis doing that to the Palestinians.   There are numerous other examples of Ethnic Cleansing, including the Turks against the Armenians which have raised the ire of the world.  Yet the world is silent about the plight of the Palestinians.   Roll Eyes



tsk tsk , you are kidding arent you.
the world never bloody shuts up about the plight of the palestinians
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 52927
Gender: male
Re: "Allahu Akbar!"
Reply #89 - Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:02pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 6:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 12th, 2017 at 4:19pm:
How can the Jews pull their borders down and still be safe Brian?


Perhaps you should ask the reverse, Hammer - "how can the Israelis not treat the Palestinians fairly and accept either a two state solution or a unified state with them.   The choice is theirs."

The Israelis are primarily a Jewish nation today.  It was created from the ashes of the Holocaust and founded on a Zionist lie to the European/American/Soviet governments - "A people for an empty land."   They deliberately ignored the peoples of Palestine who lived there, at the time and imposed a Jewish state on them.   Yes, they fought for their right to exist but was that the correct existence for the peoples of Palestine?

Israel exists today, there is no turn the clocks back and starting again.   The Palestinians accept that, they want a genuine two state solution - one for the Israelis and one for the Palestinians.   The Israelis just want all of Palestine - Eretz Israel.   Their policies have not changed - they seek to divide and conquer their enemies with the military might they have purchased, produced and received.   The Palestinians were initially a cause celebre' for the Arabs surrounding Palestine, then they became a thorn in the sides of the Arabs, now they are an embarrassment.   The Palestinians have fought the Israelis to a standstill.   The Israelis are slowly ethnically cleansing the region - getting the Palestinians out of their homeland and forcing them off their plate.   Roll Eyes

You didn't answer the question. And you do know that in many cases arabs are selling the jews the land. I don't like Zionists either but I recognise that there are 2 sides to this story.



There are two, three, four, five sides to every story, Hammer.   However, the general story is that the Zionists created Israel on the basis of a lie.   They got the British/French/Americans/Russians/etc. to help create the modern state of Israel on the basis that Palestine was an empty land and had no people in it.   This completely ignored the existence of the Palestinians.   No consultation was undertaken, no effort to include the Palestinians in this new nation.

Now, we cannot turn the clock back.  Israel exists today.   However it also controls the Occupied Territories, which it invaded in 1967 and took over.   It is making a concerted effort, with the connivance of the Americans to engage in Ethnic Cleansing.   Now, if it wasn't OK for the Serbs to do that to the Croats and the Bosnians and the Slovenians, it is not OK to have the Israelis doing that to the Palestinians.   There are numerous other examples of Ethnic Cleansing, including the Turks against the Armenians which have raised the ire of the world.  Yet the world is silent about the plight of the Palestinians.   Roll Eyes

Thank you for lying like you always do.



You are a lying, ignorant idiot. You simply do not compare.

Back to top
« Last Edit: Dec 12th, 2017 at 8:11pm by Frank »  

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 4 5 6 7 8 ... 22
Send Topic Print