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Reply #60 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:45pm

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Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, Hammer. Yes, they have learnt their lessons. However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target. Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides.

The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go. They only accept Jews for migration. No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians. No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen. Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel. Palestinians? No chance. Roll Eyes

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Reply #62 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, Hammer. Yes, they have learnt their lessons. However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target. Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides.

The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go. They only accept Jews for migration. No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians. No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen. Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel. Palestinians? No chance. Roll Eyes

Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others?

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Reply #63 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

[quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1512707405/54#54 date=1512986550]
Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, Hammer. Yes, they have learnt their lessons. However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target. Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides.

The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go. They only accept Jews for migration. No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians. No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen. Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel. Palestinians? No chance. Roll Eyes

Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others living side by side.

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Reply #64 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:54pm

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Israel, where are your Palestinians? There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them? Where are they now, I wonder? Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre? Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians?

Soren, there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard. Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab. Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution. The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state. Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years. The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone. Neither side is willing to talk. Yet you only side with the Israelis. I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles? Really? Roll Eyes

Er... somebody declared war on Israel in 1948, just as it was declared. And then the same people started a few more wars.

Still Israel has 17.6% Muslim population. Muslims are in the Army, parliament, universities, police. Muslims are freer in Israel than in any of the surrounding Arab countries.

How many peace agreements have the Pallos walked away from? How many opportunities did they let pass just so they can continue to thrive for a Judenrein Middle East, cleansed of Jews like all the other Arab countries? But they never walk away from a opportunity to go completely apesh!t and violent.

And Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, that's where its parliament is, that's where its main government offices are.

Jerusalem is also the capital of Palestine, Soren.

Palestine? Is that a recognised country now?

Yes. 138 Nations recognise Palestine as a nation. Soren. My goodness, your Islamophobia really does blind you to so much, doesn't it? Roll Eyes

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Reply #65 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:00pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

[quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1512707405/54#54 date=1512986550]
Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, Hammer. Yes, they have learnt their lessons. However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target. Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides.

The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go. They only accept Jews for migration. No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians. No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen. Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel. Palestinians? No chance. Roll Eyes

Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others living side by side.

Funny, they seem to live relatively peacefully, side-by-side today. What about the Palestinians who live in Israel? They seem to get along with their Israeli neighbours reasonably well, Hammer. Tsk, tsk, tripped up by reality again, hey? Roll Eyes

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Reply #66 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:01pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

[quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1512707405/54#54 date=1512986550]
Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, Hammer. Yes, they have learnt their lessons. However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target. Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides.

The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go. They only accept Jews for migration. No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians. No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen. Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel. Palestinians? No chance. Roll Eyes

Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others living side by side.

Funny, they seem to live relatively peacefully, side-by-side today. What about the Palestinians who live in Israel? They seem to get along with their Israeli neighbours reasonably well, Hammer. Tsk, tsk, tripped up by reality again, hey? Roll Eyes

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Reply #67 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

[quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1512707405/54#54 date=1512986550]
Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, Hammer. Yes, they have learnt their lessons. However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target. Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides.

The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go. They only accept Jews for migration. No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians. No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen. Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel. Palestinians? No chance. Roll Eyes

Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others living side by side.

Funny, they seem to live relatively peacefully, side-by-side today. What about the Palestinians who live in Israel? They seem to get along with their Israeli neighbours reasonably well, Hammer. Tsk, tsk, tripped up by reality again, hey? Roll Eyes

So now they get along? Grin

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Reply #68 - Dec 11^th, 2017 at 11:11pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

[quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1512707405/54#54 date=1512986550]
Learnt their lessons? The only lesson the Arabs learnt was they couldn't wipe out the jews. If everybody is hostile around you Brian there's no other choice but to separate hey? When the Jews had open borders they were getting the crap bombed out of them. Why would they ask for that again?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, Hammer. Yes, they have learnt their lessons. However, the only difference between the Palestinian bombs and the Israeli bombs is how they are guided to their target. Innocent civilians ended up dead on both sides.

The Israelis have never had "open borders" as far as their Immigration policies go. They only accept Jews for migration. No Palestinians, no Muslims, no Christians. No one except Jews is allowed to migrate to Israel and become a citizen. Every Jew has an automatic right of return to Israel. Palestinians? No chance. Roll Eyes

Maybe that's the problem? Two sets of people who don't accept others living side by side.

Funny, they seem to live relatively peacefully, side-by-side today. What about the Palestinians who live in Israel? They seem to get along with their Israeli neighbours reasonably well, Hammer. Tsk, tsk, tripped up by reality again, hey? Roll Eyes

So now they get along? Grin

Much better than you appear to assume. Roll Eyes

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Reply #69 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 6:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Israel, where are your Palestinians? There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them? Where are they now, I wonder? Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre? Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians?

Soren, there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard. Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab. Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution. The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state. Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years. The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone. Neither side is willing to talk. Yet you only side with the Israelis. I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles? Really? Roll Eyes

Er... somebody declared war on Israel in 1948, just as it was declared. And then the same people started a few more wars.

Still Israel has 17.6% Muslim population. Muslims are in the Army, parliament, universities, police. Muslims are freer in Israel than in any of the surrounding Arab countries.

How many peace agreements have the Pallos walked away from? How many opportunities did they let pass just so they can continue to thrive for a Judenrein Middle East, cleansed of Jews like all the other Arab countries? But they never walk away from a opportunity to go completely apesh!t and violent.

And Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, that's where its parliament is, that's where its main government offices are.

Jerusalem is also the capital of Palestine, Soren.

Palestine? Is that a recognised country now?

Yes. 138 Nations recognise Palestine as a nation. Soren. My goodness, your Islamophobia really does blind you to so much, doesn't it? Roll Eyes

Most of them are only 'nations'. Most real nations don't.

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Reply #70 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Israel, where are your Palestinians? There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them? Where are they now, I wonder? Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre? Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians?

Soren, there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard. Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab. Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution. The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state. Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years. The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone. Neither side is willing to talk. Yet you only side with the Israelis. I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles? Really? Roll Eyes

Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country.

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Reply #71 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 1:01pm

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Yes but they left Jerusalem, by and large when the Romans expelled them from Palestine, Moses. Please catch up with the history of the region, OK?

Did you say catch up?

Gee I mean who has control right here and right now?

Isn't it the Jews?

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'cause they have been absent from the region for most of the last ~2000 years? No, of course not, none of that history occurred, now did it? No, no, of course not, in Moses, book - The Bible...

Always trying to avoid today, the 21st century, right now, the Jews are there and they are in control.

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Perhaps because it ignores ~2000 years of history, Moses? You know, all that intervening stuff that happened after the Jews were expelled from Palestine by the Romans? I mean, the Jews rebelled so perhaps they deserved their expulsion? Perhaps it was just God's way of telling them they had been naughty? Tsk, tsk.

You mean like they have come back and now control it?

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Reply #72 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 1:05pm

No side here is innocent, but we should not demonize Israel for providing a high standard of living to its peoples. No Muslim-majority country has ever had such a high standard of living like Israel.

Do you think that women in Palestine will have equal rights to men under the law? Do you think that Palestine will have strong institutions and have the 'rule of law'? I doubt it.

We need to criticize Muslim-majority countries for not stepping up their game and providing for their people. Israel has already done this.

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Reply #73 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:39pm

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 6:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 6:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Israel, where are your Palestinians? There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them? Where are they now, I wonder? Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre? Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians?

Soren, there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard. Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab. Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution. The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state. Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years. The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone. Neither side is willing to talk. Yet you only side with the Israelis. I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles? Really? Roll Eyes

Er... somebody declared war on Israel in 1948, just as it was declared. And then the same people started a few more wars.

Still Israel has 17.6% Muslim population. Muslims are in the Army, parliament, universities, police. Muslims are freer in Israel than in any of the surrounding Arab countries.

How many peace agreements have the Pallos walked away from? How many opportunities did they let pass just so they can continue to thrive for a Judenrein Middle East, cleansed of Jews like all the other Arab countries? But they never walk away from a opportunity to go completely apesh!t and violent.

And Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, that's where its parliament is, that's where its main government offices are.

Jerusalem is also the capital of Palestine, Soren.

Palestine? Is that a recognised country now?

Yes. 138 Nations recognise Palestine as a nation. Soren. My goodness, your Islamophobia really does blind you to so much, doesn't it? Roll Eyes

Most of them are only 'nations'. Most real nations don't.

Ah, so now there are differences in nations and their status in your mind, Soren? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. looks like we need to call the Nurses back...

Of the 138 nations that recognise Palestine as a state, most of the member states of the UN do so. So, is the UN General Assembly wrong to do so? Of course, if you're Jewish it is but if you're not, it represents the will of the majority of the people on the planet, Soren. Once more, out of step with the rest of man (and woman) kind. Roll Eyes

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Reply #74 - Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:44pm

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Israel, where are your Palestinians? There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them? Where are they now, I wonder? Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre? Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians?

Soren, there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard. Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab. Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution. The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state. Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years. The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone. Neither side is willing to talk. Yet you only side with the Israelis. I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles? Really? Roll Eyes

Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country.

But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis... They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces. They are not allowed to serve. Their property rights are not respected. Nice sort of citizenship...

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