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Reply #120 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 10:05pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 9:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:28pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 11:25am:

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:42pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 8:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

Israel, where are your Palestinians? There used to be how many Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories before Israel occupied them? Where are they now, I wonder? Who's armed forces went door-to-door, demanding that the inhabitants leave or face massacre? Who's armed forces massacred Palestinians?

Soren, there are points and counter-points, neither sides' hands are clean in this regard. Be they Israeli or Palestinian or Arab. Now, we can dwell excessively on the crimes of the past or instead we can consider the future of a two state solution. The Israelis won't talk to the Palestinians, despite the Palestinians dancing through hoops to satisfy their demands on recognition and existence of Israel as a separate state. Israel doesn't want to talk about the right of return for the millions of Palestinians that it has expelled over the last sixty years. The Palestinians won't talk about Jerusalem except as their capital alone. Neither side is willing to talk. Yet you only side with the Israelis. I wonder, do you know what the Ultra-Orthodox Jews think of Gentiles? Really? Roll Eyes

Israel has a large population of Arab Muslims. They have been there from the beginning. They have more rights and freedoms in Israel than in any other Arab country.

But they are still treated as second-class citizens, Soren, by the Jewish Israelis... They are not subject to conscription in the Israeli Defence Forces. They are not allowed to serve. Their property rights are not respected. Nice sort of citizenship...

Are you trying to disagree with me Brian?

If I was you I'd say no, Brian.

Freeedom, innit.

Ten ruppi give him, he's from Pakistan. He dont know nuffin better.

Why do you say I'm from Pakistan, dear boy?

I'm curious.

Freeedom, innit.

Upholding your democratic right to tell porkies again, are you?

Which is it, old boy - stupid or mendacious?

you do it to me babe.

Oh, I know.

Freeedom, innit.

I've never felt freer.

You?

nope. society is a prison.

Yes, Homo, but when it's just the two of us, doing it, living it, loving it, we can forget all that, no?

I'm not a apathetic person dear.

You're a lover, not a fighter.

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Reply #121 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 10:47pm

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian?

Why, Hammer? You seem to assume that the Palestinians are untrustworthy. I don't trust the Israelis as far as I can throw them. The Palestinians have done everything the Israelis wanted - they have recognised the State of Israel. They recognised it's right to exist. What have the Israelis done in return? NOTHING. Even so, the Palestinians have not engaged in another Interfada. There has been no general uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank. There have been no new wave of bombing...

Bwian, tsk, tsk

Who represents the Palestinians? Who speaks for them? Hamas - elected by Palestinians? If so, you are lying (as usual).
The PLO? Unelected for a long time? Lying again.

Recognising Israel would be Islamic blasphemy, denial of the truth the Koran. Only a secular, non-Muslim power could do that.

The Palestinian Authority is the acknowledge representative Government of Palestine, Soren.

Hamas only controles (somewhat reluctantly) the Gaza Strip.

Hamas was a splinter group from the PLO. It was created with the help of the Israelis. Roll Eyes

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Reply #122 - Dec 13^th, 2017 at 10:49pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian?

Why, Hammer? You seem to assume that the Palestinians are untrustworthy. I don't trust the Israelis as far as I can throw them. The Palestinians have done everything the Israelis wanted - they have recognised the State of Israel. They recognised it's right to exist. What have the Israelis done in return? NOTHING. Even so, the Palestinians have not engaged in another Interfada. There has been no general uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank. There have been no new wave of bombing...

The jews did get a load of people blown to bits when they were more integrated Brian. The middle east is more unstable than ever. It would be worse. I don't believe in jewish expansion but I do see the need to keep them separated. There's no other option.

So, you support the Israeli Ethnic Cleansing effort and their theft of the Palestinian lands, Hammer?

How...nice of you...how...kind of you.

So much for believing in the rights of the oppressed... Roll Eyes

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Reply #123 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 6:57am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 13^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

Palestinians to be accorded the automatic Right of Return to either state as would be Jews as well.You do know that Israel would start getting terrorist attacks again Brian?

Why, Hammer? You seem to assume that the Palestinians are untrustworthy. I don't trust the Israelis as far as I can throw them. The Palestinians have done everything the Israelis wanted - they have recognised the State of Israel. They recognised it's right to exist. What have the Israelis done in return? NOTHING. Even so, the Palestinians have not engaged in another Interfada. There has been no general uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank. There have been no new wave of bombing...

The jews did get a load of people blown to bits when they were more integrated Brian. The middle east is more unstable than ever. It would be worse. I don't believe in jewish expansion but I do see the need to keep them separated. There's no other option.

So, you support the Israeli Ethnic Cleansing effort and their theft of the Palestinian lands, Hammer?

How...nice of you...how...kind of you.

So much for believing in the rights of the oppressed... Roll Eyes

the marxists saw the "game was up ' for economic arguements for socialism with the fall of the USSR.
marxism was always about hatred of the rich more then love of the poor .

so , they were left , with needing a new way to hate the successful (its very troubling to hate success and it probably reflects hatred for your own unfulfilled potential).

enter the french intellectuals derada and focault.

they , deftly, moved marxism from an economic theory to a social theory. that all structures are set up as power structures and that you always have the oppressed and those doing the oppressing.

and by hiding behind various "victim" group who they define as being "oppressed", they can shield themselves from any criticism.
like ISIS, you cant attack people like bwian without also being seen to attack the victims they hide behind.

and they will tell you that their philosophy is all about the love of the oppressed groups. thats the virtue signalling and its very seductive.

but even more seductive is the emotion of hate.
because they now can give themselves personal permission to go on a carte blanche , all out campaign of "hate" against anyone or anything that is successful, because, by definition (their definition), you cant be successful without oppressing someone.

its so wrong on so many levels.

and they tell themselves its all about wanting to help the oppressed. but they couldnt give a rats about the oppressed. its all about the hate. thats the kicker Wink

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Reply #124 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 8:15am

So bwian... when will you address some FACTS?

YOU NEED TO STOP MUDDYING THE WATERS BWIAN AND FACE SOME FACTS...

Tsk, tsk, tsk...
One more time bwian....
one more time to expose your ignorance.

Really bwian.

Isn't it true there is no State of Palestine?
Isn't it true there are no real Palestinians?
Isn't it true that the BRITISH MANDATE FOR PALESTINE was divided up?
Isn't it true that most of it is now Jordan an Arab nation?
Is this not a map of the Ottoman Empire before the war and the dividing up of the Empire?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: "Allahu Akbar!" Reply #125 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 8:17am Come on bwian... you know better than to lie your arse off obfuscate and be disingenuous all the time... it just doesn't work. Address the facts bwian.
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Reply #126 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 8:34am

Grendel wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 8:17am:

Come on bwian... you know better than to lie your arse off obfuscate and be disingenuous all the time...

it just doesn't work.

Address the facts bwian.

bwian and the millions of bwians dont know any palestinians and they certainly dont care about any palestinians.

but they see a strong successful virulent israeli and they see what they could be and should be but arent.

and they just cant take it.
they cant take the success because it shoves it in their face that they are a sad little ineffectual puke.

and their ego has to find a way of hating on the superior man whilst maintaining the charade of being "a nice guy, just a nice nice harmless guy".

run a mile from that person.

that person will gladly put you in the gulag and torture you.
that person is trouble.
and they are trouble with a capital T because they are resentful and bitter and the virtue signalling is a disguise

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: "Allahu Akbar!" Reply #127 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 8:38am Yes bwian is a "gulag" kinda guy and reading his dishonest prognostications for 2 decades is "torture".
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Reply #128 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 9:06am

Grendel wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 8:38am:

Yes bwian is a "gulag" kinda guy and reading his dishonest prognostications for 2 decades is "torture".

LOL.

its a deadly combination and so addictive.

the left get to feel all morally superior which is sort of addictive but the REAL addiction is the hate.

hate is always more addictive then feeling virtuous.
feeling virtuous wont make you happy.

but when you get to hate and feel virtuous at the same time.

thats just deadly addictive.
thats the heroin and the cocaine being mainlined.

and just look at these lefties.

they have to get their fix of virtue and their fix of hate and they have to get it over and over again.

lets be real here.
bwian probably cant even organise his desk
he probably has trouble getting motivated to wash the dishes or eat good food or hit the gym.

those things are really mundane and simple.

the situation in palestine is incredibly complex.
imagine you saw a broken helicopter.
would you just go start tinkering because you think its broken and you should fix it.
well, palestine is way more complex then a broken helicopter.

learn some humility.
you wouldnt go telling an aviation mechanic how to fix a chopper, so what the hell right do the millions of bwains have to think they should "announce to the world" their plans for fixing the bloody middle east.

learn some humility.
wash the dishes, clean up your desk, sort yourself out.
thats about all most people are capable of.

having an opinion on palestine ?
you have to be kidding me Wink

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44684	Re: "Allahu Akbar!" Reply #129 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 4:21pm Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot. You never know what you might catch. Tsk, tsk. You know very little about me. I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years.
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Reply #130 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 6:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot. You never know what you might catch. Tsk, tsk. You know very little about me. I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years. Roll Eyes

Well, as long as it's not whatever you caught all those years ago that crippled your mind, Bwian. tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: "Allahu Akbar!" Reply #131 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 6:22pm Would you find it easier bwian if I posted 1 fact at a time for you? Is this not a map of the Ottoman Empire before the war and the dividing up of the Empire? Perhaps you have Herpes of the mind bwian... perhaps that's why all you can do these days is troll.
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Reply #132 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 6:57pm

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot. You never know what you might catch. Tsk, tsk. You know very little about me. I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years. Roll Eyes

Well, as long as it's not whatever you caught all those years ago that crippled your mind, Bwian. tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Along comes Soren telling his tales of spite and hatred. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: "Allahu Akbar!" Reply #133 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 9:03pm OK bwian I'll take your attempt to ignore a fact you don't like as a YES...
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Reply #134 - Dec 14^th, 2017 at 10:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 6:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 6:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I'd be careful whom you jump into bed with Aquascoot. You never know what you might catch. Tsk, tsk. You know very little about me. I have been friends with Israelis and Palestinians over the years. Roll Eyes

Well, as long as it's not whatever you caught all those years ago that crippled your mind, Bwian. tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Along comes Soren telling his tales of spite and hatred. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Listen to Dickeaddle!!! Spews crap and then gets all touchy!!!

Two-faced, dishonest, spineless, squishy, hypocritical, stupid, lying - Bwian, you cover it all. You can kiss your own arse in gratitude and reverence. You stand alone.

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