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Reply #90 - Dec 21^st, 2017 at 3:34pm

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm:

What if the disease was introduced by white people with sinister intentions? Who do you blame then?

FD you're really not making some clever 'gotcha' by pretending this is about race. I really don't know what you are trying to achieve here. It makes no sense.

Now try again, and this time try and forget about white and black men. Its an unhealthy obsession of yours. If a man rapes a woman and infects her with AIDS, is he still to blame for infecting her even when he doesn't know he had AIDS? Yes or no?

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm:

even though they basically discovered it because they were trying to get away from 'friendly Muslimns'?

Spanish conquistadors fresh from ethnically cleansing Spain of muslims and jews - raped and pillaged America because they trying to get away from muslims now were they? Or late 19th century Belgium - running away from big bad muslims, just happened to run into Congo - and thought 'hey what the hell, now we're here - we may as well rape and pillage the place'. Flay around aimlessly some more FD, its getting hilarious.

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Reply #91 - Dec 21^st, 2017 at 3:38pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 20^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 7:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I should blame the Arabs for European rape and pillage right? Or better yet, Islam.

Muslims genocided my European ancestors. My maternal grandmother escaped. Most of her family didn't.

I was told 1st hand the revolting details of it. By my grandmother who was a young girl and was shot at. In the back. As she tried to escape.

There is a remarkably similar story about Muhammad congratulating one of his jihadis for shooting an arrow over the top of some women who were fleeing a village as the Muslims pillaged it. The women stopped in fear when they saw the arrow, so his actions won the Muslims a few extra sex slaves.

I'm not at all shocked or surprised by this.

Now let's fast forward to 1920.

When my maternal grandmother and her entire family including brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles/cousins etc were being genocided by Muslims in their own country ffs....these Muslims were targeting girls under 10. Why? They were fair game.

I could go on but it's very distressing. My poor grandmother personally witnessed and suffered so much grief/torture/loss at the hands of Muslims.

And she cried like a little kid when she recounted every single barbaric episode to me.

Gandalf and his troll buddy Karnal can't respond to anything I've stated. Most probably because it's the absolute and inconvenient truth about their barbaric religion.

FOR Gandalf who is currently flaying around aimlessly in this topic.

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Reply #93 - Dec 21^st, 2017 at 5:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 3:34pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm:

What if the disease was introduced by white people with sinister intentions? Who do you blame then?

FD you're really not making some clever 'gotcha' by pretending this is about race. I really don't know what you are trying to achieve here. It makes no sense.

Now try again, and this time try and forget about white and black men. Its an unhealthy obsession of yours. If a man rapes a woman and infects her with AIDS, is he still to blame for infecting her even when he doesn't know he had AIDS? Yes or no?

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm:

even though they basically discovered it because they were trying to get away from 'friendly Muslimns'?

Spanish conquistadors fresh from ethnically cleansing Spain of muslims and jews - raped and pillaged America because they trying to get away from muslims now were they? Or late 19th century Belgium - running away from big bad muslims, just happened to run into Congo - and thought 'hey what the hell, now we're here - we may as well rape and pillage the place'. Flay around aimlessly some more FD, its getting hilarious.

Don't forget Australia, G. The British had to clear out their slums because of the Muselman. You can therefore blame Islam for the smallpox epidemic amongst the Aboriginal population here.

So unfair. Still, it did kill most of the Boongs, so all's well that ends well. Any chance you could ask FD where he got the idea that Muslims blockaded European trade and started the dark ages, the Age of Exploration, colonialism and the slave trade? He won't tell silly old Karnal.

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Reply #94 - Dec 21^st, 2017 at 8:28pm

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FD you're really not making some clever 'gotcha' by pretending this is about race. I really don't know what you are trying to achieve here. It makes no sense.

You blame white people for diseases Gandalf. Here it is again:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2017 at 12:12pm:

Gandalf can you explain for us your theory on blaming racial groups for the spread of disease?

My theory is that when a group of people (you can call them a 'race' if you like) invade a defenseless nation of people in order to rape and pillage its natural resources, and enslave the population, they are to "blame" for any diseases that they bring and spread (deliberately or not) amongst the natives.

Not to be confused with the scenario where diseases spread as a result of friendly traders making contact with natives in good faith and instigating trade based on mutual respect.

Let me guess, Muslims are the friendly traders who get a free pass on the diseases they bring, but Europeans are to blame, collectively, for the diseases introduced to the new world, even though they basically discovered it because they were trying to get away from 'friendly Muslimns'?

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Now try again, and this time try and forget about white and black men.

You brought it up Gandalf.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 3:34pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm:

even though they basically discovered it because they were trying to get away from 'friendly Muslimns'?

Spanish conquistadors fresh from ethnically cleansing Spain of muslims and jews - raped and pillaged America because they trying to get away from muslims now were they? Or late 19th century Belgium - running away from big bad muslims, just happened to run into Congo - and thought 'hey what the hell, now we're here - we may as well rape and pillage the place'. Flay around aimlessly some more FD, its getting hilarious.

Do you really not know this Gandalf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

Under the Mongol Empire's hegemony over Asia (the Pax Mongolica, or Mongol peace), Europeans had long enjoyed a safe land passage, the Silk Road, to the Indies (then construed roughly as all of south and east Asia) and China, which were sources of valuable goods such as spices and silk. With the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks in 1453, the land route to Asia became much more difficult and dangerous. Portuguese navigators tried to find a sea way to Asia.

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Reply #95 - Dec 21^st, 2017 at 8:42pm

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 8:28pm:

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FD you're really not making some clever 'gotcha' by pretending this is about race. I really don't know what you are trying to achieve here. It makes no sense.

You blame white people for diseases Gandalf. Here it is again:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2017 at 12:12pm:

Gandalf can you explain for us your theory on blaming racial groups for the spread of disease?

My theory is that when a group of people (you can call them a 'race' if you like) invade a defenseless nation of people in order to rape and pillage its natural resources, and enslave the population, they are to "blame" for any diseases that they bring and spread (deliberately or not) amongst the natives.

Not to be confused with the scenario where diseases spread as a result of friendly traders making contact with natives in good faith and instigating trade based on mutual respect.

Let me guess, Muslims are the friendly traders who get a free pass on the diseases they bring, but Europeans are to blame, collectively, for the diseases introduced to the new world, even though they basically discovered it because they were trying to get away from 'friendly Muslimns'?

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Now try again, and this time try and forget about white and black men.

You brought it up Gandalf.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 3:34pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 12:32pm:

even though they basically discovered it because they were trying to get away from 'friendly Muslimns'?

Spanish conquistadors fresh from ethnically cleansing Spain of muslims and jews - raped and pillaged America because they trying to get away from muslims now were they? Or late 19th century Belgium - running away from big bad muslims, just happened to run into Congo - and thought 'hey what the hell, now we're here - we may as well rape and pillage the place'. Flay around aimlessly some more FD, its getting hilarious.

Do you really not know this Gandalf?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

Under the Mongol Empire's hegemony over Asia (the Pax Mongolica, or Mongol peace), Europeans had long enjoyed a safe land passage, the Silk Road, to the Indies (then construed roughly as all of south and east Asia) and China, which were sources of valuable goods such as spices and silk. With the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks in 1453, the land route to Asia became much more difficult and dangerous. Portuguese navigators tried to find a sea way to Asia.

There you go, leftards. And that started the dark ages.

Did you not know this, Gandalf?

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Justsayno Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 250 On The Planet Earth Gender:	Re: European pillaging- we blame the weather and Islam Reply #96 - Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:03pm polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 3:34pm: Spanish conquistadors fresh from ethnically cleansing Spain of muslims and jews Obviously you failed history in your madrasah, but it did give me a good laugh.
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Reply #98 - Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:14pm

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:10pm:

There is a long list of absurd claims whose origins Gandalf refuses to reveal.

Does he make this crap up himself?

Or is he just parroting his idiot Imam?

And why does he keep doing it despite being wrong over and over again?

Because Gandalf probably IS that idiot Imam. Grin

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Reply #99 - Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:32pm

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:10pm:

There is a long list of absurd claims whose origins Gandalf refuses to reveal. Does he make this crap up himself? Or is he just parroting his idiot Imam? And why does he keep doing it despite being wrong over and over again?

Do you mean like the claim that Islam kicked off the dark ages, or that Muslims are responsible for killing off the Aborigines, or that Iraq is the next South Korea?

Good point, FD. G never revealed the origin of those claims.

You?

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Reply #100 - Dec 21^st, 2017 at 10:33pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:32pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:10pm:

There is a long list of absurd claims whose origins Gandalf refuses to reveal. Does he make this crap up himself? Or is he just parroting his idiot Imam? And why does he keep doing it despite being wrong over and over again?

Do you mean like the claim that Islam kicked off the dark ages, or that Muslims are responsible for killing off the Aborigines, or that Iraq is the next South Korea?

Good point, FD. G never revealed the origin of those claims.

You?

Islam is the dark ages.

It spreads regression and stupidity and backwardness, everywhere it appears.
It never brings anything positive, it never brings any improvement. Islam is darkness.
It is the embodiment of the dark age, everywhere it appears.

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Reply #101 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 12:32am

Justsayno wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 3:34pm:

Spanish conquistadors fresh from ethnically cleansing Spain of muslims and jews

Obviously you failed history in your madrasah, but it did give me a good laugh.

Err, the Spanish Reconquista only officially ended in 1492, after the fall of the last Islamic state in Iberia at Granada to the expanding Christian kingdoms. Columbus first crossed the Atlantic in guess which year? 1492. Cortez first landed in Central America in 1519. What were you saying about failing History again? Roll Eyes

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Re: European pillaging- we blame the weather and Islam
Reply #102 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:13am

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Let me guess, Muslims are the friendly traders who get a free pass on the diseases they bring, but Europeans are to blame, collectively, for the diseases introduced to the new world, even though they basically discovered it because they were trying to get away from 'friendly Muslimns'?

I'll happily blame muslims for any rape and pillage related diseases they spread. I'll even blame black men for raping mexican women. By all means, take your pick. Rape is rape, pillaging is pillaging.

And I'm blaming Europeans collectively now am I? How about we just stick to what I actually said FD - which in case you're still having trouble with, goes something like this: I blame rapists and pillagers for raping and pillaging. I don't blame race, I don't make it a "white" thing, and I certainly don't blame people who didn't do any raping and pillaging. Now I know you can't bring yourself to accept what the Spanish did to the American Indians, and what the Belgians did to the Congolese amounts to rape and pillage, but just pretend you did, and think about who would be to blame for the spread of diseases brought by those rapist and pillagers while they raped and pillaged.

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Do you really not know this Gandalf?

So your argument goes - while the Spanish were trying to avoid the muslims to find a way to Asia, they instead stumbled upon the Americas.... so they naturally can't be blamed for raping and pillaging this new continent, spreading disease and enslaving and killing millions.

So basically, we can boil your argument down to: the Spanish can't be blamed for raping and pillaging the Americas because... Islam made them do it.

I'm curious, does that pass even the FD bullshit test?

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 8:28pm:

You brought it up Gandalf.

I did indeed FD, and as usual I did it without once mentioning 'white' or 'black', or anything to do with race. Genius aren't I?

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Reply #104 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:23am

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:19am:

Gandalf- and think about who would be to blame for the spread of diseases brought by those rapist and pillagers while they raped and pillaged.

Diseases are spread loads of ways . Do you blame your kids when you catch the flu off one?

FD blames Islam. You?

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