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Reply #45 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 7:35pm

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polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I should blame the Arabs for European rape and pillage right? Or better yet, Islam.

Muslims genocided my European ancestors. My maternal grandmother escaped. Most of her family didn't.

I was told 1st hand the revolting details of it. By my grandmother who was a young girl and was shot at. In the back. As she tried to escape.

There is a remarkably similar story about Muhammad congratulating one of his jihadis for shooting an arrow over the top of some women who were fleeing a village as the Muslims pillaged it. The women stopped in fear when they saw the arrow, so his actions won the Muslims a few extra sex slaves.

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Reply #46 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 7:42pm

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 7:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 9:59am:

I should blame the Arabs for European rape and pillage right? Or better yet, Islam.

Muslims genocided my European ancestors. My maternal grandmother escaped. Most of her family didn't.

I was told 1st hand the revolting details of it. By my grandmother who was a young girl and was shot at. In the back. As she tried to escape.

There is a remarkably similar story about Muhammad congratulating one of his jihadis for shooting an arrow over the top of some women who were fleeing a village as the Muslims pillaged it. The women stopped in fear when they saw the arrow, so his actions won the Muslims a few extra sex slaves.

I'm not at all shocked or surprised by this.

Now let's fast forward to 1920.

When my maternal grandmother and her entire family including brothers/sisters/aunts/uncles/cousins etc were being genocided by Muslims in their own country ffs....these Muslims were targeting girls under 10. Why? They were fair game.

I could go on but it's very distressing. My poor grandmother personally witnessed and suffered so much grief/torture/loss at the hands of Muslims.

And she cried like a little kid when she recounted every single barbaric episode to me.

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Reply #48 - Nov 26^th, 2017 at 5:19pm

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2017 at 6:54pm:

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Why on earth would I do that?

Because I asked for an example. Can you give one?

Its a stupid question FD. I don't even know if 'countries' existed in those places at that time. Was the Incan empire a "country"? See how stupid the question is? The question you should be answering, but which you continue to duck and cover from, is did millions of people die of diseases that were spread while the Europeans went on their rape and pillage and enslavement expeditions.

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Do you blame the black man or the white man Gandalf? If a black man rapes a mexiwoman on a beach in Florida and she contracts AIDS, do you blame the man who gave her the disease, or white people for bringing the disease to the country?

I blame rapists for raping. Incidentally, I also blame invaders and pillagers for any diseases they spread while they are invading and pillaging. Try, if you can, to understand this exceedingly simple concept without unnecessarily mixing it up with a whole lot of nonsense about race.

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You invited me to call them white, then got upset when i called them white. How else should we interpret it Gandalf?

FD, once again you are confused. You need to rewind more and look at what you wrote before all that. Here is where I 'interpret' you (falsely) claiming I was talking about race:

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Can you give an example of some nations that were invaded and the races you hold responsible? Are those races responsible for the spread of disease beyond the nations they invaded?

Why else would you say I am holding races responsible?

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Also, if there were many instances of a disease being passed on by people of different races with sinister intentions, how do you decide which race to blame? Is it always white people who get the blame?

Oh there you go again, shoving racial language into my mouth. Newsflash FD: race has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I blame anyone for raping and pillaging and spreading disease in the process. In this case it happens to be Europeans. Please don't unnecessarily complicate things by bringing in completely irrelevant language about race. You are obviously obsessed with race here because you are so determined to excuse 'white' people for their atrocities. I guess this is also some clumsy attempt to pull out the race card to muddy the waters, and hey, it works wonders for you in avoiding having to make any acknowledgement of the European rape and pillage and the millions of people who died from it.

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If the Arabs made the contact between the old and the new world inevitable by cutting Europe off from the rest of civilisation, do they bear any responsibility for the introduction of diseases?

Why does the blame hinge on intentions that had nothing at all to do with disease? If the disease was introduced to the Americas be people trying to find a trade route to India, who do you blame?

If the disease was already there when they invaded, does that mean they are not to blame?

Can any blame be attributed to geographic proximity of the disease source to the people it was passed on to? Or just white people?

Also, why does blame not hinge on whether the disease was deliberately introduced? Are you saying the Europeans who had nothing to do with the introduction of the disease are just as blame worthy as the Americans who deliberately gave smallpox to native Indians?

Its trully breathtaking the lengths you will go to to excuse raping and pillaging and enslaving on an industrial scale. Well at least we haven't had to endure your 'the famine in Congo was nothing but a bit of bad weather' excuse for a while.

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Reply #49 - Nov 26^th, 2017 at 6:36pm

Gandalf are you just making this up as you go along, or is this a Muslim thing you are getting from somewhere? Why won't you say?

If the Arabs made the contact between the old and the new world inevitable by cutting Europe off from the rest of civilisation, do they bear any responsibility for the introduction of diseases?

Why does the blame hinge on intentions that had nothing at all to do with disease? If the disease was introduced to the Americas be people trying to find a trade route to India, who do you blame?

If the disease was already there when they invaded, does that mean they are not to blame?

Can any blame be attributed to geographic proximity of the disease source to the people it was passed on to? Or just white people?

Also, why does blame not hinge on whether the disease was deliberately introduced? Are you saying the Europeans who had nothing to do with the introduction of the disease are just as blame worthy as the Americans who deliberately gave smallpox to native Indians?

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Its a stupid question FD. I don't even know if 'countries' existed in those places at that time.

So why did you say they did?

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I blame rapists for raping. Incidentally, I also blame invaders and pillagers for any diseases they spread while they are invading and pillaging. Try, if you can, to understand this exceedingly simple concept without unnecessarily mixing it up with a whole lot of nonsense about race.

It is simply to the point of idiocy, which is why you refuse to explain how far this blame goes. Also, are you saying you do blame white people, rather than the rapist, for the rape victim contracting AIDS?

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Why else would you say I am holding races responsible?

Because you are.

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Oh there you go again, shoving racial language into my mouth. Newsflash FD: race has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I blame anyone for raping and pillaging and spreading disease in the process.

Previously you said you blame the group. Have you now realised how racist your claims were and reverted back to personal responsibility?

Also, you dodged the question Gandalf. here it is again for you: If there were many instances of a disease being passed on by people of different races with sinister intentions, how do you decide which race to blame? Is it always white people who get the blame?

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In this case it happens to be Europeans. Please don't unnecessarily complicate things by bringing in completely irrelevant language about race.

If a white supremacist started saying European instead of white, would you defend him against charges of racism? Or can only Muslims do this trick?

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You are obviously obsessed with race here because you are so determined to excuse 'white' people for their atrocities.

You brought up race Gandalf, not me. You can't post racist vitriol on a politics website and not expect people to call you out on it.

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Reply #50 - Nov 28^th, 2017 at 2:56pm

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Gandalf are you just making this up as you go along, or is this a Muslim thing you are getting from somewhere? Why won't you say?

If the Arabs made the contact between the old and the new world inevitable by cutting Europe off from the rest of civilisation, do they bear any responsibility for the introduction of diseases?

Why does the blame hinge on intentions that had nothing at all to do with disease? If the disease was introduced to the Americas be people trying to find a trade route to India, who do you blame?

If the disease was already there when they invaded, does that mean they are not to blame?

Can any blame be attributed to geographic proximity of the disease source to the people it was passed on to? Or just white people?

Also, why does blame not hinge on whether the disease was deliberately introduced? Are you saying the Europeans who had nothing to do with the introduction of the disease are just as blame worthy as the Americans who deliberately gave smallpox to native Indians?

Bravo FD, really top marks for finding the most novel ways of obfuscating and apologising something so transparently immoral as the European invasions and genocides beyond all meaning.

Instead of twisting yourself into knots in an attempt to obfuscate this issue beyond all meaning, have a go at answering a simple, and yet most relevant question: did the European rape and pillage expeditions lead to the deaths of millions through indirect causes such as disease? Yes or no?

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

which is why you refuse to explain how far this blame goes. Also, are you saying you do blame white people, rather than the rapist, for the rape victim contracting AIDS?

I refuse no such thing FD. The blame "goes" as far as the people who are doing the raping and pillaging. Let me know if you are still having difficulty with this concept.

Also I blame people for raping - real or metaphorically, and the consequences of that rape. The Europeans "raped" the people of South American, Africa etc - as in they invaded, slaughtered and pillaged their land for resources. They are to blame for the diseases that come with that (deliberately spread or not) - in exactly the same way as a literal rapist is to blame for the infectious diseases he spreads as a result of forced intercourse (known or not). And believe it or not, it really is possible to understand this logic without even thinking about race. I recommend giving it a go.

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Also, you dodged the question Gandalf. here it is again for you: If there were many instances of a disease being passed on by people of different races with sinister intentions, how do you decide which race to blame? Is it always white people who get the blame?

Oh, that must be where I ignored the stupid and nonsensical question. Where on earth did you get this nonsense idea that in your scenario I would somehow want to apportion blame according to race - rather than what I've been saying ad-nauseum - ie blame every instance of people with "sinister intentions" spreading disease? Ah, it must be the same place as your delusion that I'm making this a 'white' and 'racial' thing.

Really, how racist of me to "blame" the Europeans (that would be 'white race' in your deluded terminology) for invading South America and wiping out entire civilizations and causing the death of millions. Why don't I blame someone else for what the Europeans did? What was I thinking?

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Reply #51 - Nov 28^th, 2017 at 6:36pm

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Bravo FD, really top marks for finding the most novel ways of obfuscating and apologising something so transparently immoral as the European invasions and genocides beyond all meaning.

They are questions that I have asked repeatedly that you refuse to answer. Are you just making this up as you go along, or is this a Muslim thing you are getting from somewhere? Why won't you say? I ask you thi quite often these days, but have never gotten an answer. Are you habitually plagiarising other people's work?

If the Arabs made the contact between the old and the new world inevitable by cutting Europe off from the rest of civilisation, do they bear any responsibility for the introduction of diseases?

Why does the blame hinge on intentions that had nothing at all to do with disease? If the disease was introduced to the Americas be people trying to find a trade route to India, who do you blame?

If the disease was already there when they invaded, does that mean they are not to blame?

Can any blame be attributed to geographic proximity of the disease source to the people it was passed on to? Or just white people?

Also, why does blame not hinge on whether the disease was deliberately introduced? Are you saying the Europeans who had nothing to do with the introduction of the disease are just as blame worthy as the Americans who deliberately gave smallpox to native Indians?

Why did you cite countries in your justification for racism, if you cannot give a single example of the coutnries involved?

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I refuse no such thing FD.

OK, let's try again then. If a black man rapes a mexiwoman on a beach in Florida and she contracts AIDS, do you blame the black man for her disease, or white people for bringing the disease to the country?

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The blame "goes" as far as the people who are doing the raping and pillaging.

White people?

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Also I blame people for raping

Only the white ones?

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Oh, that must be where I ignored the stupid and nonsensical question. Where on earth did you get this nonsense idea that in your scenario I would somehow want to apportion blame according to race

Because you have spent the entire thread blaming white people for diseases, even if non-white people were obviously involved in the spread of the disease and regardless of the intentions of the white people.

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Really, how racist of me to "blame" the Europeans (that would be 'white race' in your deluded terminology)

If a white supremacist started saying European instead of white, would you defend him against charges of racism? Or can only Muslims do this trick?

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Reply #52 - Nov 28^th, 2017 at 8:45pm

How very dare you, G. The Muslims were responsible for Whitey's disease because the White Race had to find a way to get spices without getting killed by the Muselman. So what if us Whites killed a few Africans, Injuns and Aborigines along the way? It's not racist. We're only human, you know.

The dastardly Muselman wanted to tax us. Who do you blame?

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Reply #53 - Nov 29^th, 2017 at 11:52am

Bloody evil whiteman.

All those virtuous indians, I mean all they did was:

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The numbers of people sacrificed by the Aztecs

In 1487, the great Templo Mayor was dedicated in the main Aztec city of Tenochtitlan with a four-day celebration. How many were sacrificed during that time is a subject of scholarly speculation: some put the figure as low as 10,000 or 20,000, several others put it as high as 80,400 people sacrificed during those four days. Scholars think the Aztec priests used four sacrificial altars for the dedication ceremonies.

it is hard to know how many Aztecs died under the sacrificial knife. Many reputable scholars today put the number between 20,000 and 250,000 per year for the whole Aztec Empire. All Aztecs cities contained temples dedicated to their gods and all of them saw human sacrifices

But hey who cares as long as the leftards and muslims keep perpetrating hatred against the whiteys

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Reply #55 - Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 28^th, 2017 at 8:45pm:

How very dare you, G. The Muslims were responsible for Whitey's disease because the White Race had to find a way to get spices without getting killed by the Muselman. So what if us Whites killed a few Africans, Injuns and Aborigines along the way? It's not racist. We're only human, you know.

The dastardly Muselman wanted to tax us. Who do you blame?

Why mention only whities atrocities babe?

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Reply #56 - Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 8:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

Instead of twisting yourself into knots in an attempt to obfuscate this issue beyond all meaning, have a go at answering a simple, and yet most relevant question: did the European rape and pillage expeditions lead to the deaths of millions through indirect causes such as disease? Yes or no?

No.

Did Mohammed order the murdering of people that today would see him in The Hague drinking poison as a convicted war criminal?
Yes or no?

Did the Buddha or Jesus ever do anything that would see them convicted today as war criminals? yes or no?

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Reply #57 - Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 8:15pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 28^th, 2017 at 8:45pm:

How very dare you, G. The Muslims were responsible for Whitey's disease because the White Race had to find a way to get spices without getting killed by the Muselman. So what if us Whites killed a few Africans, Injuns and Aborigines along the way? It's not racist. We're only human, you know.

The dastardly Muselman wanted to tax us. Who do you blame?

Why mention only whities atrocities babe?

Exactly. Why not mention the tinted ones?

It might be a thread on European pillaging, but I'm sure some of those Frenchies and Spaniards were pretty swarthy.

How do you measure up, Homo?

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Reply #58 - Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 8:16pm

Frank wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 8:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2017 at 2:56pm:

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Instead of twisting yourself into knots in an attempt to obfuscate this issue beyond all meaning, have a go at answering a simple, and yet most relevant question: did the European rape and pillage expeditions lead to the deaths of millions through indirect causes such as disease? Yes or no?

No.

Just a handful of Boongs and Injuns and Darkies, no worries.

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Reply #59 - Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 8:16pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 8:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 28^th, 2017 at 8:45pm:

How very dare you, G. The Muslims were responsible for Whitey's disease because the White Race had to find a way to get spices without getting killed by the Muselman. So what if us Whites killed a few Africans, Injuns and Aborigines along the way? It's not racist. We're only human, you know.

The dastardly Muselman wanted to tax us. Who do you blame?

Why mention only whities atrocities babe?

Exactly. Why not mention the tinted ones?

It might be a thread on European pillaging, but I'm sure some of those Frenchies and Spaniards were pretty swarthy.

How do you measure up, Homo?

You are just another lefatrd trying to paint whitey as the most evil race that ever existed.

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