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Reply #30 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 5:32pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 3:46pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 12:34pm:
Can you give an example of some nations that were invaded and the races you hold responsible? Are those races responsible for the spread of disease beyond the nations they invaded?


Where did this talk of "races" come from?




Er... the title of the thread.

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Reply #31 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 5:49pm
 
People from Europe Frank, nothing to do with races. Besides, wouldn't you racial theorists insist that Europe consists of many races?
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Reply #32 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 7:14pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 3:46pm:
Lets start by not shoving words into my mouth for once. Where did this talk of "races" come from? I never mentioned them. You seem to be constructing some kind of strawman with it.


polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:
My theory is that when a group of people (you can call them a 'race' if you like) 


Can you figure this one out for yourself Gandalf?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 5:49pm:
People from Europe Frank, nothing to do with races.


This from the same person who insists Islamophobia is all about racism. Can you spot the hypocrisy Gandalf?

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FD your bizarre spineless apologies are about as morally equivalent as saying a man who infects a woman with HIV when he raped her - shouldn't be to blame for infecting her on the basis that he didn't know he had HIV himself.


What if white people introduced AIDS to his country? Does that mean white people are to blame instead?

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I blame the Europeans


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Reply #33 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 8:56pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 5:49pm:
People from Europe Frank, nothing to do with races. Besides, wouldn't you racial theorists insist that Europe consists of many races?

Whites. Europeans are whites.

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Reply #34 - Nov 23rd, 2017 at 10:03pm
 
Islamophobia is racism. But European is not a race.
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Reply #35 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 9:59am
 
freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 7:14pm:
Can you figure this one out for yourself Gandalf?


I said that after you started throwing around the word 'race' and attempting to pin it on me FD. What I said here should be self-evident that I'm not referring to anyone as a 'race' (the giveaway is the "you" as in "you can call them a race if you like") So I ask again, where did you get 'race' from, and why were you falsely attempting to attribute the word to what I had been saying?

freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 7:14pm:
his from the same person who insists Islamophobia is all about racism. Can you spot the hypocrisy Gandalf?


No hypocricy. Racism has nothing to do with 'race' either FD. As I've said ad-nauseum before, there is not such thing as race - even if "racism" is real. I've explained it enough times to you.

freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 7:14pm:
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I blame the Europeans


Ah


Good point FD. I should blame the Arabs for European rape and pillage right? Or better yet, Islam.

freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 10:03pm:
Islamophobia is racism. But European is not a race.


Correct. If only you could actually comprehend it though.
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Reply #36 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 10:06am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 8:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 5:49pm:
People from Europe Frank, nothing to do with races. Besides, wouldn't you racial theorists insist that Europe consists of many races?

Whites. Europeans are whites.



'whites' are a race are they? All of them - slavs, germanics, celts, magyars etc - all one big race? Funny, thats not what I've heard from racial theorists over the last century or so. Are you saying 20 million killed in WWII over racial ideas was a big misunderstanding? What about light skinned Syriacs? We used to let them in during the white Australia policy. I think we decided they were "white" because they were Christians and identified as "European".

You'll have to forgive me, I'm not quite au fait with the latest confused nonsense for what passes as 'racial theory' these days.
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Reply #37 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 10:54am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 10:06am:
Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 8:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 5:49pm:
People from Europe Frank, nothing to do with races. Besides, wouldn't you racial theorists insist that Europe consists of many races?

Whites. Europeans are whites.



'whites' are a race are they? All of them - slavs, germanics, celts, magyars etc - all one big race? Funny, thats not what I've heard from racial theorists over the last century or so. Are you saying 20 million killed in WWII over racial ideas was a big misunderstanding? What about light skinned Syriacs? We used to let them in during the white Australia policy. I think we decided they were "white" because they were Christians and identified as "European".

You'll have to forgive me, I'm not quite au fait with the latest confused nonsense for what passes as 'racial theory' these days.

Grin Grin Grin Grin He can't even admit when he's been caught out being racist?
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Reply #38 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:12pm
 
Gandalf, you are yet to identify a single country whose diseases you blame on white people.

You also avoided the question of who to blame if a black man rapes a mexiwoman on a beach in Florida and she contracts AIDS. Do you blame the man who gave her the disease, or white people?

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I said that after you started throwing around the word 'race' and attempting to pin it on me FD. What I said here should be self-evident that I'm not referring to anyone as a 'race' (the giveaway is the "you" as in "you can call them a race if you like") So I ask again, where did you get 'race' from, and why were you falsely attempting to attribute the word to what I had been saying?


If a white supremacist started saying European instead of white, would you defend him against charges of racism? Or can only Muslims do this trick?

Also, have you changed your mind about whether I am allowed to call Europeans white people? Why did you proclaim that I can call them white if I want, then complain when I called them white?

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No hypocricy. Racism has nothing to do with 'race' either FD. As I've said ad-nauseum before, there is not such thing as race - even if "racism" is real. I've explained it enough times to you.


You have failed to make sense every single time.
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Reply #39 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:32pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Gandalf, you are yet to identify a single country whose diseases you blame on white people.


Why on earth would I do that? Do you deny that millions of people died as a result of diseases spread by Europeans as they went on their rape, pillage and enslavement expeditions? Thats the only relevant point here. To jog your memory, its the same period that you  pretend was nothing but a period of bad weather, people dying from Arab diseases, and Europeans doing nothing but nobly treating and curing diseases.

freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
You also avoided the question of who to blame if a black man rapes a mexiwoman on a beach in Florida and she contracts AIDS. Do you blame the man who gave her the disease, or white people?


Oh yeah, you got me there FD - I'm totally trying to sneakily spinelessly apologise for the black man - cause you know, he's not white.  Cheesy

freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Also, have you changed your mind about whether I am allowed to call Europeans white people? Why did you proclaim that I can call them white if I want, then complain when I called them white?


You must have overdosed on your confusion pills this morning FD. Thats hysterical, even for you. I don't even know where to begin with that.

Take a deep breath, calm down, and think about what you are actually saying - and after that think about what you are actually responding to. Because its not even remotely related to anything I said.


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Reply #40 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 4:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 10:06am:
Frank wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 8:56pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 5:49pm:
People from Europe Frank, nothing to do with races. Besides, wouldn't you racial theorists insist that Europe consists of many races?

Whites. Europeans are whites.



'whites' are a race are they? All of them - slavs, germanics, celts, magyars etc - all one big race?



Yeah, they are all whites. From the Urals to the Atlantic, from Malta to the Arctic, they are whites.



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Reply #41 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 4:59pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Gandalf, you are yet to identify a single country whose diseases you blame on white people.


Why on earth would I do that? Do you deny that millions of people died as a result of diseases spread by Europeans as they went on their rape, pillage and enslavement expeditions? Thats the only relevant point here.



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Reply #42 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 5:34pm
 
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No hypocricy. Racism has nothing to do with 'race' either FD. As I've said ad-nauseum before, there is not such thing as race - even if "racism" is real. I've explained it enough times to you.





I can't find this post anywhere other than as quoted by FD here.

Whoever said it is an idiot. (sounds like something Bwian would say.)  "Racism has nothing to do with 'race' either FD."   Why use the term 'racism' if it has nothing to do with 'race'??   What DOES it have to do with? Whatever that other thing is, why substitute 'race' for it??   

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Reply #43 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 6:54pm
 
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Why on earth would I do that?


Because I asked for an example. Can you give one?

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Oh yeah, you got me there FD - I'm totally trying to sneakily spinelessly apologise for the black man - cause you know, he's not white.


Do you blame the black man or the white man Gandalf? If a black man rapes a mexiwoman on a beach in Florida and she contracts AIDS, do you blame the man who gave her the disease, or white people for bringing the disease to the country?

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Take a deep breath, calm down, and think about what you are actually saying - and after that think about what you are actually responding to. Because its not even remotely related to anything I said.


You invited me to call them white, then got upset when i called them white. How else should we interpret it Gandalf?

Also, if there were many instances of a disease being passed on by people of different races with sinister intentions, how do you decide which race to blame? Is it always white people who get the blame?

Are you just making this up as you go along, or is this a Muslim thing you are getting from somewhere?

If a white supremacist started saying European instead of white, would you defend him against charges of racism? Or can only Muslims do this trick?

If the Arabs made the contact between the old and the new world inevitable by cutting Europe off from the rest of civilisation, do they bear any responsibility for the introduction of diseases?

Why does the blame hinge on intentions that had nothing at all to do with disease? If the disease was introduced to the Americas be people trying to find a trade route to India, who do you blame?

If the disease was already there when they invaded, does that mean they are not to blame?

Can any blame be attributed to geographic proximity of the disease source to the people it was passed on to? Or just white people?

Also, why does blame not hinge on whether the disease was deliberately introduced? Are you saying the Europeans who had nothing to do with the introduction of the disease are just as blame worthy as the Americans who deliberately gave smallpox to native Indians?
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Reply #44 - Nov 24th, 2017 at 7:11pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 24th, 2017 at 9:59am:
I should blame the Arabs for European rape and pillage right? Or better yet, Islam.




Muslims genocided my European ancestors. My maternal grandmother escaped. Most of her family didn't.

I was told 1st hand the revolting details of it. By my grandmother who was a young girl and was shot at. In the back. As she tried to escape.
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