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Reply #120 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:02pm

I'm genuinely confused why you keep bringing that up FD - as if it actually proves anything you are claiming.

Can you just come out and confirm for us that you consider accusing the Europeans of raping and pillaging the new world during the colonial period and killing millions in the process - is racist?

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Reply #121 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:02pm:

I'm genuinely confused why you keep bringing that up FD - as if it actually proves anything you are claiming.

Can you just come out and confirm for us that you consider accusing the Europeans of raping and pillaging the new world during the colonial period and killing millions in the process - is racist?

How about you confirm that arab imperialism around the world was racist also?

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Reply #122 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm

I keep bringing it up because you keep misrepresenting it. Here it is again - you blaming white people for diseases:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2017 at 12:12pm:

Gandalf can you explain for us your theory on blaming racial groups for the spread of disease?

My theory is that when a group of people (you can call them a 'race' if you like) invade a defenseless nation of people in order to rape and pillage its natural resources, and enslave the population, they are to "blame" for any diseases that they bring and spread (deliberately or not) amongst the natives.

Not to be confused with the scenario where diseases spread as a result of friendly traders making contact with natives in good faith and instigating trade based on mutual respect.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #123 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:17pm

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

you blaming white people for diseases

I blame people for spreading disease while they rape and pillage. That is a no-brainer FD, which even you would agree with. How could you not? You can't, you know I'm simply saying common sense, and you don't even bother trying to refute the actual point. So naturally when you can't win the actual debate, you pull the wacist card.

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Reply #124 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

you blaming white people for diseases

I blame people for spreading disease while they rape and pillage. That is a no-brainer FD, which even you would agree with. How could you not? You can't, you know I'm simply saying common sense, and you don't even bother trying to refute the actual point. So naturally when you can't win the actual debate, you pull the wacist card.

If people aren't intentionally spreading disease then how can you blame them?

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Reply #125 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:30pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

you blaming white people for diseases

I blame people for spreading disease while they rape and pillage. That is a no-brainer FD, which even you would agree with. How could you not? You can't, you know I'm simply saying common sense, and you don't even bother trying to refute the actual point. So naturally when you can't win the actual debate, you pull the wacist card.

If people aren't intentionally spreading disease then how can you blame them?

I'll give you the same analogy I gave FD, and with a bit of luck you'll be able to understand common sense a bit better...

if a man who has AIDS rapes a woman and she contracts AIDS, is the man to blame for infecting her with AIDS - even if he didn't know he had AIDS?

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Reply #126 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

you blaming white people for diseases

I blame people for spreading disease while they rape and pillage. That is a no-brainer FD, which even you would agree with. How could you not? You can't, you know I'm simply saying common sense, and you don't even bother trying to refute the actual point. So naturally when you can't win the actual debate, you pull the wacist card.

If people aren't intentionally spreading disease then how can you blame them?

I'll give you the same analogy I gave FD, and with a bit of luck you'll be able to understand common sense a bit better...

if a man who has AIDS rapes a woman and she contracts AIDS, is the man to blame for infecting her with AIDS - even if he didn't know he had AIDS?

Disease doesn't work like that. People can have a disease in a incubation stage and not even know it. Europeans lived in high population areas and would have been exposed to disease from birth. A sniffle could kill a native south American who lived a more isolationist existence. Would a Spaniard with the pox or the plague be up for rape?? It knocked a person over in days. You need to brush up on your biology.

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Reply #127 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:09pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:34pm:

Disease doesn't work like that. People can have a disease in a incubation stage and not even know it.

you are not making any coherent point here homo

Take whatever scenario you like - it still doesn't alter the essential point: the Spanish gave Indians the sniffles/small pox, whatever - because they invaded their land in order to rape and pillage it. I don't have to brush up on my biology to know that.

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Reply #128 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

you blaming white people for diseases

I blame people for spreading disease while they rape and pillage. That is a no-brainer FD, which even you would agree with. How could you not? You can't, you know I'm simply saying common sense, and you don't even bother trying to refute the actual point. So naturally when you can't win the actual debate, you pull the wacist card.

You blame groups of people. You can call them races. Even if they are actually trying to get around those 'friendly Muslims' to establish trade routes rather than raping and pillaging.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #129 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:34pm:

Disease doesn't work like that. People can have a disease in a incubation stage and not even know it.

you are not making any coherent point here homo

Take whatever scenario you like - it still doesn't alter the essential point: the Spanish gave Indians the sniffles/small pox, whatever - because they invaded their land in order to rape and pillage it. I don't have to brush up on my biology to know that.

Where did it say the Indians owned the land? The biggest army owns the land. That's reality. That's how nature works. If the Chinese took over tomorrow all the deeds to our land would mean nothing. People have come and gone all around the world, including modern Islamic lands. I don't know why now it's important to get to a place first to own it. It never mattered before. Oh, that white people thing again???And Asia give Europe the black plague. So?

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Reply #130 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 9:03pm

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:17pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:05pm:

you blaming white people for diseases

I blame people for spreading disease while they rape and pillage. That is a no-brainer FD, which even you would agree with. How could you not? You can't, you know I'm simply saying common sense, and you don't even bother trying to refute the actual point. So naturally when you can't win the actual debate, you pull the wacist card.

You blame groups of people. You can call them races. Even if they are actually trying to get around those 'friendly Muslims' to establish trade routes rather than raping and pillaging.

FD can you bring yourself to acknowledge that rape and pillage and enslavement occurred as part of such innocent and benign attempts to "establish trade routes" - and millions died as a result? Are you actually incapable of acknowledging this? Are you still blaming 8 million dead in the Congo Free State on a bit of bad weather and Arab diseases - or do you agree now that was incredibly stupid?

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Reply #131 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 9:05pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:34pm:

Disease doesn't work like that. People can have a disease in a incubation stage and not even know it.

you are not making any coherent point here homo

Take whatever scenario you like - it still doesn't alter the essential point: the Spanish gave Indians the sniffles/small pox, whatever - because they invaded their land in order to rape and pillage it. I don't have to brush up on my biology to know that.

Where did it say the Indians owned the land? The biggest army owns the land. That's reality. That's how nature works. If the Chinese took over tomorrow all the deeds to our land would mean nothing. People have come and gone all around the world, including modern Islamic lands. I don't know why now it's important to get to a place first to own it. It never mattered before. Oh, that white people thing again???And Asia give Europe the black plague. So?

As you were homo. I can only deal with one flailing incoherent rambler at a time.

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Reply #132 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 9:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 7:34pm:

Disease doesn't work like that. People can have a disease in a incubation stage and not even know it.

you are not making any coherent point here homo

Take whatever scenario you like - it still doesn't alter the essential point: the Spanish gave Indians the sniffles/small pox, whatever - because they invaded their land in order to rape and pillage it. I don't have to brush up on my biology to know that.

Where did it say the Indians owned the land? The biggest army owns the land. That's reality. That's how nature works. If the Chinese took over tomorrow all the deeds to our land would mean nothing. People have come and gone all around the world, including modern Islamic lands. I don't know why now it's important to get to a place first to own it. It never mattered before. Oh, that white people thing again???And Asia give Europe the black plague. So?

As you were homo. I can only deal with one flailing incoherent rambler at a time.

What don't you understand?

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Reply #133 - Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 9:39pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 12:47pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 12:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2017 at 8:23am:

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 10:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:32pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 9:10pm:

There is a long list of absurd claims whose origins Gandalf refuses to reveal. Does he make this crap up himself? Or is he just parroting his idiot Imam? And why does he keep doing it despite being wrong over and over again?

Do you mean like the claim that Islam kicked off the dark ages, or that Muslims are responsible for killing off the Aborigines, or that Iraq is the next South Korea?

Good point, FD. G never revealed the origin of those claims.

You?

Islam is the dark ages.

It spreads regression and stupidity and backwardness, everywhere it appears.
It never brings anything positive, it never brings any improvement. Islam is darkness.
It is the embodiment of the dark age, everywhere it appears.

Always absolutely never ever.

So has Islam improved your life, Kameeeel, ever?? How has it improved anyone's life ? How is Australia or any Western country better for having imported Islam?

You have never ever explained, grinning Paki fool. No 10 rupee for you.

And I can never ever explain, old boy. Islam has contributed as much to my life as Sikhism, Zoroastrianism or Hare Krishaism - I.e, zilch.

But it obviously contributes something to Muslims, Sikhs, Zoroastrians and Hare Krishnas, ja?

As for Lutherans, well. Gott mit uns, nein?

The Sikhs ang Krishnas do not want a global caliphate along their religious lines.

Muslims do and the most motivated of them are working on it by murdering Westerners who have taken them in, the shifty, lying ingrates.

Even an evil Paki like you or a spineless idiot like Bwian 'tsk tsk' Ross or gandalf the oily eel must see the difference.

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