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Once again just to rattle Gandalf's cage ...
Nov 8th, 2017 at 5:05pm
 
Has Gandalf read all of Islam's Holy Scripts, or only the ones that can pass muster with Western moral sensibilities?

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Reply #1 - Nov 8th, 2017 at 5:59pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 5:05pm:
Has Gandalf read all of Islam's Holy Scripts, or only the ones that can pass muster with Western moral sensibilities?

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They look like murderers:

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Islamophobia again.   Such silly people who hate people who they have never met.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 9:01am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 5:59pm:
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They look like murderers:


Cut-throats and pirates.

But in all truth they have wonderful faces. Very theatrical. We Westerners have very bland faces with none of the interesting features and drama that their faces are capable of.



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Reply #4 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 9:42am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 8th, 2017 at 10:00pm:
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Islamophobia again.   Such silly people who hate people who they have never met.    Roll Eyes


This muslim calls bullshit on Islamophobia, oh dearie,dearie me.Tsk.tsk bwian is an Islamic extremist according to this Imam.
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‘Islamophobia’, ‘racism’ and ‘bigotry’ are the 3 main terminologies Islamic extremists lean on to refute any logical criticism of their dangerous preaching. Fearing terrorism is not a phobia. Islam is not a race. Criticising radicals is not bigotry. Terrorists must be stopped.

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/928367153799032833

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Reply #5 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 3:04pm
 
Gandalf very recently tried to diminish the significance of chapter 9 of the Koran by saying it was one of the smaller chapters. In fact it is one of the biggest. And it is entirely devoted to encouraging Muslims to slaughter the infidel. He also went on at length about the percentage of the Koran it takes up. He did this in a stated effort to undermine my credibility, though was unable to explain what difference it made.

No other religious text comes close to Islam in the promotion of ongoing violence as a means to spread the religion.

From the article:

http://pickeringpost.com/story/-/6546

Dear Mr Turnbull,

I, along with many Australians, are becoming increasingly concerned about your lack of knowledge, or your deliberate deception, when it comes to Islam in Australia.

The Muslim boys who were arrested recently behind Bankstown mosque with bayonets were literally obeying the commands of Allah, stated in the Quran, and following the example of the so-called prophet Muhammad; as they are commanded to do according to Islam.

Surely you and your security agencies can read? Surely you and your security agencies can hear? These verses are preached in mosques, Islamic schools, on the internet, everywhere!

It is not surprising at all that Muslims of all ages, ethnicities and socio-economic backgrounds are picking up knives and threatening terror on our streets. It is all there in black and white in the Islamic texts.

Here is a small sample of verses in the unlikely case you were not aware:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

It is irrelevant that you find some Imams or Mullahs who say those verses have been misinterpreted. It is irrelevant that some Muslims say Islam is a religion of peace. It is irrelevant that some Muslims have rejected these commands and outright disobey them by ‘integrating’ and taking on western values.

What is relevant is the fact an increasing number of Muslims are literally obeying these commands. Whilever the Quran, Hadiths and examples of the so-called prophet remain unchallenged this country will have to deal with an increasing number of devout, pious, Quran reading, prophet exemplifying Muslims taking up the commands to be violent.

Your expensive and irrelevant ‘de-radicalisation’ programs are an insult to our intelligence. Muslim only football games so they can play with themselves aren’t going to de-radicalise anyone! Spending millions of dollars on programs that include gym memberships and community projects mean nothing!
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Reply #6 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 3:05pm
 
The focus needs to be on convincing Muslims to reject the vile and barbaric commands stated in the Islamic texts. There are hundreds of verses that must be rejected. The example of Muhammad is a nightmare and yet every day, in every mosque, Islamic school and Muslim homes, Muslims are encouraged to be like Muhammad. Yet he became increasingly violent and abrogation means the earlier, more peaceful verses of the texts are cancelled and replaced by the later more violent ones.

Your denial or deliberate deception in these matters puts police lives at risk. Curtis Cheng already paid the supreme price. You are also putting community lives at risk. You can do something about this. You can be honest and you can confront the reality that Islam is a totalitarian ideology hiding behind a thin veil of religion.

The other major world religions are primarily concerned with acts of worship and acts of service. No-one is concerned about Muslims praying, fasting or giving to the poor. However Islam goes way beyond this. It has an entire legal and political system with military aspirations.

The boys arrested recently, the other jihadists in our jails, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the other OIC nations, they all understand and adhere to this fact - Islam is a total and complete way of life they believe is supreme and must dominate every other religion, culture and country.

Why do you refuse to admit it? Because a few Muslims have told you it’s not true? Because a few Muslims who are either disobeying and rejecting their religious texts (and yet still call themselves Muslims) say don’t worry, that is not Islam? Is it because many Muslims obey Sura 16:106, 3:28 and others and you fall for it?

What is your reason for condescendingly lecturing Australians to be more tolerant in the face of increasing threats to our security? It is clear as day to us that these Muslims are simply obeying the commands of the Islamic texts.

The Muslims who don’t obey are not the issue. An increasing number of Muslims from a wide range of educational levels, ages, socioeconomic backgrounds and ethnicities are acting on these commands.

Why not lecture Muslims to disregard, disobey and reject outright the commands in the Quran and the vile example of the so-called prophet? Why don’t you apply critical thought and analysis to this destructive and divisive ideology?

“Why are you so overprotective of Islam?

How can you, or your security agencies know who will be the next Muslim to literally obey the Quran, Hadiths and follow the example of Muhammad? How can you, or your security agencies, keep us safe from the increasing number of Muslims with ‘mental health issues’ who decide to act on those commands?

I sincerely look forward to your response.

Kind Regards,
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Reply #7 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 4:57pm
 
Pickering.   Oh, dear.  How well is the fraud going these days, FD?   Nice company you keep...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #8 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 8:01pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 4:57pm:
Pickering.   Oh, dear.  How well is the fraud going these days, FD?   Nice company you keep...   Roll Eyes



Another pratfall, Brian.

It's actually Kirralie Smith who wrote that piece.


If you want to put an idiot in the cross-hairs instead of Pickering, then look no further than this pathetic halfwit.


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Reply #9 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 9:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 4:57pm:
Pickering.   Oh, dear.  How well is the fraud going these days, FD?   Nice company you keep...   Roll Eyes


Anyone can quote the Quran Brian.
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Reply #10 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 11:15pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 8:01pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9th, 2017 at 4:57pm:
Pickering.   Oh, dear.  How well is the fraud going these days, FD?   Nice company you keep...   Roll Eyes



Another pratfall, Brian.

It's actually Kirralie Smith who wrote that piece.


I don't particularly care who wrote it.  It was published on Pickering's website and we all know Pickering's history, now, don't we? 

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Pickering was made an undischarged bankrupt in 2010 on petition from the father of his former de facto, but in reply denied he owed any money and stated his "only asset is a $250 set of golf clubs".[10][11]

Pickering acknowledges he helped establish ‘’Cohen Strachan Investments’’, a betting software company which went into bankruptcy in 2010 with millions of dollars lost by investors. Pickering stated he "feels sorry for people who lost money" but that he "had nothing to do" with the company. A private investigator employed by the investors presented a report to the Queensland Police and the Australian Securities and Investments Commission claiming ongoing links between the companies and Pickering, a claim he denies.[10][12][13][14] In November 2015, Queensland Fraud Squad detectives reopened the investigation into Pickering's involvement in Cohen Strachan Investments. It was reported that police had interviewed him at his Gold Coast home.[15]

The Supreme Court of Queensland found that Pickering derived "significant financial benefits" from ‘’Hamlyn Crest’’, the Australian distributor of the betting software, and that his denial of involvement in the management of the company was "thoroughly implausible".[16]

On February 10, 2017, at a speech for the far-right Q Society, Pickering denounced Muslims and homosexuals, saying "I can't stand Muslims. If they are in the same street as me, I start shaking. They are not all bad [because] they do chuck pillow-biters off buildings".[17][18]

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Reply #11 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 11:17pm
 
Most of it is also in the Quran Brian. Are you going to choose not to believe that?
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Brian?

Answer the question.
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Reply #13 - Nov 10th, 2017 at 3:17am
 
Lots of companies go bust, Brian, leaving their unsecured investors rolling in the dust. It's not something unique to Pickering. When Pickering is sent to jail I'll then join the rest of you in condemning him for being without any redeeming features, but until then, the jury's out.

And then one wonders how much of the demonising of him is not because he failed in his betting enterprise, but because of his rightwing views on a range of social issues?
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Reply #14 - Nov 10th, 2017 at 3:26am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 10th, 2017 at 3:17am:
Lots of companies go bust, Brian, leaving their unsecured investors rolling in the dust. It's not something unique to Pickering. When Pickering is sent to jail I'll then join the rest of you in condemning him for being without any redeeming features, but until then, the jury's out.

And then one wonders how much of the demonising of him is not because he failed in his betting enterprise, but because of his rightwing views on a range of social issues?


Well yes, but he is redeemed by his once annual calendars of our country's strapping manhood.

Miam miam indeed. 1979's Malcolm Fraser?

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