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US Car maker General Motors...


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US carmakers cut pay as Australia's hourly rates soared

    Brad Norington And Sarah Martin
    TheAustralian
    12:00AM December 10, 2013
   
US carmakers cut the wages of their workers in half to engineer the survival of their industry six years ago, whereas Australian pay rates grew by up to 21 per cent over the same period.


The wages of American entry-level assembly workers were slashed from $28 an hour to $14 an hour as part of a radical plan accepted by the United Auto Workers, a Detroit union famous for using its muscle to extract big hikes in salaries and conditions.

With General Motors poised to close down its Holden plant operations in Australia, halving labour costs is not a palatable option for the vehicle division of the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union because of the precedent it would set across the nation.

Entry-level workers at Holden who have completed an induction program earn $23.50 an hour. If AMWU vehicle division secretary Dave Smith followed the example of his US colleagues, Holden workers would end up earning less than Australia's minimum wage of $16.37 an hour.

Mr Smith said he would not consider further sacrifices for his members in the car industry after they had agreed to a wage freeze for three years. "Why should I?" he said. "My members have already done their bit. They're past the post. It's up to the government to show some leadership now, not my members."

For General Motors in Australia, wages for trades employees have increased by about 76 per cent since 2000, and 21 per cent since 2008, jumping from $679.20 a week in 2000 to $1194.50 a week this year. This equates to $62,114 a year for a 38-hour week. Workers are paid shift penalties and overtime rates, with Sunday shifts paid at 2 1/2 times the normal weekday rate.

A skilled tradesperson with at least three months' experience is on an annual base salary of $80,444 while a group leader is paid about $102,000 a year. For an entry-level non-trade position, such as a store worker or a minimally trained factory worker, the weekly wage has risen about 9 per cent from $817 in 2008 to $892 this year, an annual salary of about $46,423 a year.

In August, Holden workers voted to forgo a 3 per cent wage rise scheduled for November on the condition that General Motors committed to building the two next-generation vehicles at Holden's Elizabeth plant. The union also voted to support a range of flexibility provisions that gave Holden operating savings of about $15 million a year. However, none of these has come into effect without the commitment from GM to build the two next-generation vehicles at Elizabeth.

AMWU acting South Australian secretary John Gee said Australian workers could not compete on labour costs "and nor do we want to".

The decision of the UAW in Detroit, made as the global financial crisis took hold in 2007, was borne out of necessity after billions of dollars in government bailout money, with GM and Chrysler facing bankruptcy.


Then UAW president Bob King recognised that new labour market flexibility in the car industry was the only hope for survival. The union gave up pay claims linked to rises in the cost of living and annual bonuses in favour of a profit-share scheme that guaranteed workers nothing from year to year.

Many of GM's 74,000 US assembly workers took redundancy to make way for younger, lower-paid workers.
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Re: Coalition to close Australian car industry today
Reply #32 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 2:24pm
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 21st, 2017 at 1:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 21st, 2017 at 1:20pm:
Grendel wrote on Oct 21st, 2017 at 11:39am:
Bam wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 8:16pm:
Grendel wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 7:40pm:
I don't think you can honestly say "Coalition to close Australian car industry today" any more than you can say Labor did.

What are the contents of the China, Japan and Korea FTA's?

Who was in Parliament daring the car makers to make a decision, just before they announced closure?

The Liberals are standing over the body of the car industry with the blood-stained axe in their hands.

I think you will find I'm right.
Labor was in government state and federal for closures and circumstances too you know.
Unions impact wages and working conditions.
Just try to be more honest eh.
CEOs, Boards vested overseas interests that actually own the companies etc...

Oh and John...  just shut up you troll. Cheesy


you haven't got a clue goose.

Tell me, is our auto industry more unionised than Germany's? Yet there's is thriving .... Cheesy Cheesy

I'll give you three guesses what their government wasn't stupid enough to do that our LIBERAL govt. was?

It's a bigger industry than ours isn't it... more cars sold globally, sits in the middle of Europe, cheaper to freight goods to markets, then common market, then the EU...  4 times our population nationally, more automated etc, etc, etc....  the list goes on and on and on...    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


it can only do those things because it has a government that supports it, rather than hamstringing it. They receive far more in subsidies than we did. And don't use freight as an excuse.

I recall in the early 90's the Ford Capri built in Australia was being sold in the USA for about $5000 less than here. Was it wages or freight that made in cheaper back then ?? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Tell me goose, why do we have fta's with Japan that prohibit Australia exporting various car parts to Japan? one of the largest car manufacturers, and therefore the biggest markets for car parts manufacturers, in the world. What part of free trade does that represent?

Could it have something to do with Japan protecting it's car industry, and Australia not giving a farrk? We were the only car manufacturer on the planet that didn't offer our industry some protections. Piss off with your union bashing bullshit. You haven't got a clue.
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Reply #33 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 3:10pm
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9aHC2tSmRM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPnKJUu07rE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBj8G28kLvo

Take a watch when you have time

The above videos pertain to the Lima Declaration and its destruction of Australian industry

Why not save them and tell your friends.  It will save them a lot of angst about 'What's happening/happened to Australia'



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I remember buying a new Simpson washing machine.  All the bells and whistles, stainless steel tub, etc.  We'd had Simpson's for years.  Our dying one had been running well for twelve years at that point, but some of the knobs were broken and the plastic was yellowing

When the new one arrived, I put it to use. Uh oh.  Black oily smears all over what should have been clean washing

Then the machine went haywire. Wasn't filling up properly.  Was stopping half way through the cycle.  Made a noise like a jet taking off.  etc

I phoned Simpsons.  Thought they'd jump through hoops to fix or replace

Wrong. I spoke to a sleazy woman who attempted repeatedly to get me to say that I was at fault.  Only on the third phone call did she inform me that our conversations were being listened to by a third party, unidentified

The retailer refused to discuss the situation at all.  Attitude: we have your money, too bad for you.  Nope, no refunds, get lost

I was disbelieving.  Upon examining the warranty document at length, I discovered the machine was a Simpson in name only.  The people I'd been speaking to were not Simpsons either.  They were Electrolux.  They continued playing hard ball.  Until I said fine ... you leave me no option other than to put this with Current Affairs.  I'll let them put this pig of a machine through its paces, all of it filmed.  I'll lose close to a thousand dollars.  You'll lose tens of thousands of dollars

At that point, Electolux ... acting as if they were doing me an enormous favour ... said they'd replace the machine with another.  They did.  It was a bitch

Throughout the process, I went on Ebay to see if I could find the equivalent of the old Simpson washing machine I'd taken to the tip.  I was prepared to pay good money for a used genuine Simpson or Malley's or Hoover washing machine

And that's when I discovered I was FAR from alone.  On any day on Ebay, there was heated bidding by other people who also were desperate to find a genuine, Made in Australia (using real Aussie steel) washing machine

There was an underground movement, I discovered.  People were passing along the names and contact details for 'retrenched' Aussie washing machine-servicemen and workers.  These names were closely guarded.  It was said that they'd 'managed to get hold of real parts' for Aussie washing machines, which they'd fit into old genuine Aussie machines.  People were paying top dollar for them and thought they'd won the lottery.  There was brisk movement for genuine replacement parts for those extinct Aussie machines.  Most of us wailed deep into the night about throwing away our genuine Aussie machines. What idiots we'd been. We'd never see the like of those machines again. Why hadn't we held onto them, we said as we beat our heads against the wall

Also on Ebay at that time were hundreds of NON Aussie machines, advertised as 'barely used' or 'duplicates'.  Or the excuse for selling them was 'Leaving the country'. Those machines bore Aussie brand-names, but were made in asia

It was claimed that after closing down, Hoover, Simpson and Malleys weren't 'allowed' to make washing machines or other genuine Aussie white goods for a minimum of 25 years

Many of us were counting down the years, looking forward to the day when we'd be able to buy a decent machine again

Those 25 years have been and gone.  And we don't see any Aussie white goods manufacturers going back into business

Go to Product Review and see what Aussies have to say about all the imported white goods.  They're forced to give one star to the garbage machines in order to say anything at all before they let rip

Lima Declaration.  It's responsible for the destruction of Aussie manufacturing and jobs.  It's responsible for the garbage products we're forced to buy unless we want to wash our stuff down in the creek.  It's responsible for the unstoppable rise in 'middle classes' in Asia and the subcontinent -- which is in turn responsible for the massive foreign investment in Aussie real estate -- which in turn is responsible for the fact Aussies can't afford not to buy or rent (and that's just those who're clinging to the few jobs left.  The millions of unemployed want Voluntary Euthanasia for themselves and their entire family, rather than live like rats in a trap forever)

The Lima Declaration.  March 1975.  Which is when those of us old enough to remember suddenly noticed that jobs were getting hard to find.  Of course we noticed. Prior to the Lima Declaration, Australian media reported that unemployment in this country was half to one percent

So, I'm expecting an underground movement to arise whereby Aussies bid against each other for the privilege of used, Australian made with Australian steel, vehicles

because it's known now, has been revealed, that Japan (and the rest of asia) have been forging data about their fake steel, which is now being driven all over Aussie roads
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Re: Coalition to close Australian car industry today
Reply #34 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 3:22pm
 
It's all about China.

China has destroyed our manufacturing industries and
now more Chinese live here than ever before.
I suppose they have won an economic war without firing a shot.

I'm sorry to say this but the Chinese are just smarter than us.
We don't even make shoes here anymore.
Our car industries are now all closed.
China looked ahead and is making electric cars and we just gave up and never thought of that -
( well some did such as Nail and myself but no one would listen to us.)


In some ways we deserve to be a 3rd world nation - a banana republic.
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Reply #35 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 5:04pm
 
So abusive TROLL...  still being abusive and still can't bring yourself to address reality eh.

Governments do not and should not run businesses.  They shouldn't use taxpayer money to prop them up either.

I have shown that there is more to this than the topic claim which is biased and dishonest.
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Reply #36 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 5:07pm
 
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Lima Declaration.  It's responsible for the destruction of Aussie manufacturing and jobs.


No it is not.

The Lima Declaration is simply that...  a declaration not a treaty.  It is non-binding.
It is aspirational nothing more.
You can blame Whitlam and Grassby for it being considered anything else and for various industries ending or going offshore at the time.
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Reply #37 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 5:12pm
 
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The Lima Declaration and Plan of Action on Industrial Development and Cooperation was adopted in 1975 at a Conference sponsored by the United Nations Industrial Development Organisation (UNIDO). It has, in legal terms, exhortatory force only; that is, it sets out recommendations on assistance to developing countries. The Declaration does not have treaty status and therefore does not require signature or ratification. It is not, and never was, binding on the Australian Government under international law. The Australian Government formulates its policy on developing countries on the basis of what it judges to be the national interest.
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Reply #38 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 6:05pm
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 21st, 2017 at 11:39am:
Bam wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 8:16pm:
Grendel wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 7:40pm:
I don't think you can honestly say "Coalition to close Australian car industry today" any more than you can say Labor did.

What are the contents of the China, Japan and Korea FTA's?

Who was in Parliament daring the car makers to make a decision, just before they announced closure?

The Liberals are standing over the body of the car industry with the blood-stained axe in their hands.

I think you will find I'm right.
Labor was in government state and federal for closures and circumstances too you know.
Unions impact wages and working conditions.
Just try to be more honest eh.
CEOs, Boards vested overseas interests that actually own the companies etc...

What are the contents of the China, Japan and Korea FTA's? Pay particular attention to the sections relating to the automotive industry.

Who was in Parliament daring the car makers to make a decision, just before they announced closure?
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Reply #39 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 6:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 21st, 2017 at 3:22pm:
It's all about China.

China has destroyed our manufacturing industries and
now more Chinese live here than ever before.
I suppose they have won an economic war without firing a shot.

I'm sorry to say this but the Chinese are just smarter than us.
We don't even make shoes here anymore.
Our car industries are now all closed.
China looked ahead and is making electric cars and we just gave up and never thought of that -
( well some did such as Nail and myself but no one would listen to us.)


In some ways we deserve to be a 3rd world nation - a banana republic.


It all started with Bill Clinton inviting the chinese into the WTO. After that it was downhill for the west and now the only game in town for the west is bullshit services, flipping old houses and doing kitchen renovations using borrowed money and somehow pretending that has created some sort of new economy that replaces the old manufacturing economy Sad

Death By China: How America Lost Its Manufacturing Base (Official Version)



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Reply #42 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 6:51pm
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 21st, 2017 at 11:39am:
Bam wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 8:16pm:
Grendel wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 7:40pm:
I don't think you can honestly say "Coalition to close Australian car industry today" any more than you can say Labor did.

What are the contents of the China, Japan and Korea FTA's?

Who was in Parliament daring the car makers to make a decision, just before they announced closure?

The Liberals are standing over the body of the car industry with the blood-stained axe in their hands.

I think you will find I'm right.
Labor was in government state and federal for closures and circumstances too you know.
Unions impact wages and working conditions.
Just try to be more honest eh.
CEOs, Boards vested overseas interests that actually own the companies etc...

Oh and John...  just shut up you troll. Cheesy


Every previous government gave them incentive to stay and they stayed with all the other issues. This current government was the only one who gave them incentive to leave.

There is a very real correlation between removing subsidies and having a government minister telling them to go and it happening.
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Reply #43 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 6:54pm
 
If it wasn't for that cigar munching fat big headed prick holdens would have lived on, one man destroys an icon, string him up.
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Reply #44 - Oct 21st, 2017 at 7:28pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Oct 21st, 2017 at 6:54pm:
If it wasn't for that cigar munching fat big headed prick holdens would have lived on, one man destroys an icon, string him up.


EXACTLY
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